Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Ian Ellison-Taylor and Kevin Gjerstad on WPF 3.5 SP1 http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/previewImages/100/402947_100x75.jpg Channel 9 - Ian Ellison-Taylor and Kevin Gjerstad on WPF 3.5 SP1 Dr. Sneath speaks with Ian Ellison-Taylor and Kevin Gjerstad about new improvements and features in WPF 3.5 Service Pack 1.  Topics of the conversation range from Graphics, Deployment, Performance, Application Model and Tools.  And while discussing the current state and the future of WPF a few applications are mentioned including Lawson "Mango" and Yahoo Messenger. Not only does this video provide you with a great overview of WPF 3.5 SP1, but it is kicking off WPF Week on Channel 9.  Each day this week we’ll be publishing a video focused on one area of WPF to give you a detailed look at what’s new.   SP1 Download links: Visual Studio 2008 Service Pack 1 (Beta) .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 (Beta) Visual Studio 2008 Express Editions SP1 (Beta) Visual Studio 2008 Team Foundation Server 2008 SP1 (Beta) en Mon, 20 May 2013 09:07:31 GMT Mon, 20 May 2013 09:07:31 GMT Rev9 Re: Ian Ellison-Taylor and Kevin Gjerstad on WPF 3.5 SP1 posted by DigitalDud

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DigitalDud wrote:
When did WPF get to 3.5? I thought it was 1.0.


Jumped right into it.

posted by littleguru

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Sorry for the confusion,

Ian.

posted by Ian Ellison-Taylor

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So the versioning might seem a little bit odd, but of course WPF is part of the larger .NET Framework and thus doesn't have it's own version numbers.

posted by mawcc

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lot's of good stuff in them bits...

now just gotta wait for them to bake and cool off to use them Smiley

I have an app on 60 desktops that I want to move from .net 2.0 to 3.5 soon... must find out if the boot strap will work for a low-trust user account ??

posted by figuerres

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Ian Ellison-Taylor wrote:
Ah, good point - we should be clearer about what we're talking about here.  v1 of WPF shipped first as part of .Net 3.0 (and included in Vista), our next version was in .Net 3.5 and what we're talking about here is our 3rd release as part of .Net 3.5 SP1.

Sorry for the confusion,

Ian.


I just posted and if not covered in the video:

Can a non-admin user who does not have full access but has a .net 2.0 app today get an update that will boot-strap to .net 3.5 and then get the app w/o an admin logon??

it's a click once app on about 60 pc's that are in remote locations.

if an admin login is required then it will take days to update them.

so to recap:

can I boot-strap from a click once  app with net 2.0 to a new version of the app with .net 3.5 with a limited user account?

posted by figuerres

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mawcc wrote:
After reading Scott Guthrie's (excellent as usual) description of all the updates in VS 2008 & .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, it seems as if WPF gets more updates from 3.5 RTM to 3.5 SP1 as it has from 3.0 RTM to 3.5 RTM.


Looks like DBPro's not getting any love Sad

posted by PerfectPhase

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By adding new features in a service pack, you'll generate potential confusion. I'll say my app requires .NET 3.5, but then I'm using some SP1 features, then my client installs the app and it doesn't work because they don't have SP1 installed.

I can understand improving performace in a service pack, but why add new features to a service pack? Why not release them in a feature pack, like how the ASP.NET team did with the ASP.NET AJAX Extensions v1.0?

posted by CRPietschmann

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I do appreciate the confusion though so this is definitely something we'll re-think for future versions. Do other folks agree we should keep things separate in the future?

Thanks,

Ian.

posted by Ian Ellison-Taylor

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figuerres wrote:


Can a non-admin user who does not have full access but has a .net 2.0 app today get an update that will boot-strap to .net 3.5 and then get the app w/o an admin logon??



Unfortunately not. This update at least makes some core changes and so requires admin privs. We definitely get this request *a lot* though and it is something we're moving towards (it's just really hard to engineer).

Sorry,

Ian.

posted by Ian Ellison-Taylor

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posted by Klaus Enevoldsen

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Klaus Enevoldsen wrote:
Ribbon control in WPF! YES!!! Finally!!!

The only criticism I have, is when the controls are released. Tim uses the euphemism "out-of-band" in his blog, but also states that Line Of Business applications are taking up WPF rapaciously.

Why the silverlight beta included the datagrid, but this does not is a mystery? I need to get compos-mentes with this control (and the ribbon) for my smart client applications, but am having to wait.

One cannot diminish the phenomenal improvements to a plethora of issues that have kept me in windows forms for LOB applications. If you try the piteous WPF controls from e.g. http://www.componentone.com/ staying with windows forms becomes the easiest of decisions. Forget about a dog running with three legs, more a dog with half a leg. For now it will be another 3 to 6 months till some of the essential controls become available. What a shame!

posted by vesuvius

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Ian Ellison-Taylor wrote:

figuerres wrote:


Can a non-admin user who does not have full access but has a .net 2.0 app today get an update that will boot-strap to .net 3.5 and then get the app w/o an admin logon??


Unfortunately not. This update at least makes some core changes and so requires admin privs. We definitely get this request *a lot* though and it is something we're moving towards (it's just really hard to engineer).

Sorry,

Ian.


I understand the issues,

Please If we can get more info on what it can/can't do etc...

for example can we setup a "reboot" / "runOnce" to do that perhaps?

posted by figuerres

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posted by Ion Todirel

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i have one question though, where exactly do you post feedback? the msdn forums are vast and im always feeling im posting in the wrong place Smiley is there a prefered place there? or is connect the way to go? i havent found a connect project for .net or wpf as a whole (if there is one please link Smiley )

posted by aL_

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Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 SP1 (Beta) does not apply, or is blocked by another condition on your system. Please click the link below for more details.

So i can't click NEXT Sad

UPDATE:

Fixed it, had to uninstall Silverlight Tools Beta 1 (got to love those bèta's) and uninstall KB949325

posted by CKurt

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figuerres wrote:

I understand the issues,

Please If we can get more info on what it can/can't do etc...

for example can we setup a "reboot" / "runOnce" to do that perhaps?



I'm not entirely sure, let me check and get back to you. Around here we do distribute admin-level software using SMS to machines that are locked-down so I know it's possible but I don't know how it works!

Ian.

posted by Ian Ellison-Taylor

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Ion Todirel wrote:
is it safe to install VS 2008 SP1 Beta on a development machine? I mean we all know Visual Studio is a very heavy piece of software, I don't want to remove the whole thing just to remove SP1


I'd be a little carefull with any beta software and I know some folks have had issues uninstalling. For me, it's worked just fine so it might for you too but I always recommend a VPC, or a complete backup just in case!

Ian.

posted by Ian Ellison-Taylor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/AdamKinney/Ian-Ellison-Taylor-and-Kevin-Gjerstad-on-WPF-35-SP1#c633463208800000000 Wed, 14 May 2008 00:14:40 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/AdamKinney/Ian-Ellison-Taylor-and-Kevin-Gjerstad-on-WPF-35-SP1#c633463208800000000 Ian Ellison-Taylor Re: Ian Ellison-Taylor and Kevin Gjerstad on WPF 3.5 SP1
aL_ wrote:


i have one question though, where exactly do you post feedback? the msdn forums are vast and im always feeling im posting in the wrong place is there a prefered place there? or is connect the way to go? i havent found a connect project for .net or wpf as a whole (if there is one please link )



General feedback here is just fine. For more specific feedback on VS you can use http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2136&SiteID=1 or for WPF specifically just use the regular WPF forum http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=119&SiteID=1 and maybe put "SP1" somewhere in the title.

For connect, we come under the general "Visual Studio and .Net Framework" at http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio


Thanks,

Ian.

posted by Ian Ellison-Taylor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/AdamKinney/Ian-Ellison-Taylor-and-Kevin-Gjerstad-on-WPF-35-SP1#c633463217860000000 Wed, 14 May 2008 00:29:46 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/AdamKinney/Ian-Ellison-Taylor-and-Kevin-Gjerstad-on-WPF-35-SP1#c633463217860000000 Ian Ellison-Taylor Re: Ian Ellison-Taylor and Kevin Gjerstad on WPF 3.5 SP1 I would suggest a better describing name.

Why don't you call a ServicePack 'SP<number>' (SP1) and a feature pack 'FP<number>' (FP1) and when combined 'UP<number>' (UP1) where UP stands for update pack.[A]

We use this system for a while now and it's (for us...) quite clear.

Regards Johan Visser

posted by JohaViss

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/AdamKinney/Ian-Ellison-Taylor-and-Kevin-Gjerstad-on-WPF-35-SP1#c633471410310000000 Fri, 23 May 2008 12:03:51 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/AdamKinney/Ian-Ellison-Taylor-and-Kevin-Gjerstad-on-WPF-35-SP1#c633471410310000000 JohaViss Re: Ian Ellison-Taylor and Kevin Gjerstad on WPF 3.5 SP1 I can understand improving performace in a service pack, but why add new features to a service pack? Why koxp not release them in a feature pack, like how the ASP.NET team did with the ASP.NET AJAX Extensions v1.0?

 

Yeah ?? tolga ???

posted by Koxp

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