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Joe Stegman talks about the "WPF/E" CTP

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This is it! The 1000th video posted to Channel 9 and what more fitting than a video covering “WPF/E”, a new way to video on the web.

Ernie Booth and Laurence Moroney visited Joe Stegman, lead PM for “WPF/E” and discussed issues such as the MAC on his desk, “WPF/E”, the fountain outside his window, and of course “WPF/E”. We also experimented with a new product placement technology in this movie. See if you can spot it….

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  • YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • This is awesome but I have a quick question.  What exactly do I need to download in order to et this thing up and running in VS.NET.  I see that with the SDK there is some msi for adding templates to VS.NET but it does not seem to work.  I'm assuming this is because I have not installed something.
  • “WPF/E” (codename) Community Technology Preview for Windows (Dec 2006)

    (The Mac and SDK versions have links at the bottom of the page.)

  • YES!!! Been waiting for this for ages!! Installed it on my Mac, first sample - You need a new mac (wants Dual Core + 1Gb Sad ). But its another reason to upgrade to a MacBook Pro.....after MacWorld I think I will. All the other samples seem to work OK on my G4 iBook, that one did load - was just a bit slow.... Looks really cool, can't wait to have a proper play with this and develop something. The Page Turn sample is coool.... Shame I have too much work to do this week. Does this work with Linux? (Like Firefox on Linux, I know the others aren't supported yet).
  • lmoroneylmoroney No, this isn't really me
    Linux is not presently supported. Not even with FireFox...sorry -- but keep watching Smiley
  • The VS template .MSI uses the Web Application Projects add-in for VS 2005.  For more information and installing WAP, go here http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/html/WAP.asp
  • BoomportBoomport SG1: Deep Space Radar Telemetry is the job to have.
    Hard to call it everywhere when you don't support unix/linux flavors:O
  • MinhMinh WOOH!  WOOH!
    Is Baseball's "World Series" includes every team in the world? Smiley


    What about "Miss Universe"?
  • Give them a chance Smiley It would have been nice if firefox on linux supported it (as it supports it on windows) but I guess technically there is a lot of difference.
  • irascianirascian Irascible Ian
    Not sure why the video length is listed as over an hour (1:03:50) when it's actually just under 37 minutes.
  • Martin Ennemosermawcc Make it so
    Boomport wrote:
    Hard to call it everywhere when you don't support unix/linux flavors


    I guess Win/Mac cover about 99% of the desktop market, so it's almost everywhere. But maybe the new ally Novell volunteers to contribute a Linux version at some point in the future.
  • Can anyone actually download the WPF/E SDK?

    I've tried a few times, but it just keeps saying "The page cannot be found".

    I've downloaded the WPF/E CTP for Windows, and that works fine. Just unable to download the SDK.
  • will wrote:
    Can anyone actually download the WPF/E SDK?

    I've tried a few times, but it just keeps saying "The page cannot be found".

    I've downloaded the WPF/E CTP for Windows, and that works fine. Just unable to download the SDK.


    Nevermind, it works now!
  • William Staceystaceyw Before C# there was darkness...
    Is .Net required on the client side? tia
  • No, its totally platform independent. Even down to them reencoding WMV so they are supported on the Mac without Flip4WMV installed.
  • Chris PietschmannCRPietschma​nn Chris Pietschmann

    I've been wondering if you guys were going to enable XAML for web application development. This is awesome! I can't wait to start playing with it. The Firefox and Mac support make it 100% more likely for adoption than ActiveX was.

  • Hi,
      Great video, tool, and overall vision!  Played with it yesterday a lot.  Seems to work in all the advertised environemnts but just curious on a number of things. 
    1) MMS:  WPFE does not seem to support that protocol at all.  I saw all the video sample you did but I guess this technology does not work for streaming.
    2) Controls: There appear to be no controls whatsoever in WPFE; meaning everything has to be done from scratch everytime.  I mean there isn't even a textbox!  What's up with that?  Will it change?  I mean it's great and all as far an animation but that puts this technology right down there with the first version of Flash!  Furthermore, there are a lot of us who love the web but HATE javascript.  Even though you did a great job of standardizing, I still want my c# especially if i need complex coding to get any work done.
    3) .NET integration:  is this a myth or will we see a lightwieght runtime incorporated into WPFE?  In the Mike Harsh video he used C# to change opacity if I remember correctly.  has this been abandoned or is it still in play.  Also, will this be a strictly windows technology (the CLR Integration aspect) or are you planning to package a runtime for MAC as well.
  • When I try to install the Visual Studio Template from the SDK, it says that it depends of the Web Application Projects add ins. I have Visual Studio 2005 SP1 beta, which contains a new version of Web Application Projects. But it does not work.

    Sadly I cannot setup a separate computer for this.
  • I never realized there was so much magic happening in web browsers!

    This is really cool. I can't wait until this truly works everywhere and I can start to throw away all of my HTML/JavaScript knowledge.
  • DiegoV wrote:
    When I try to install the Visual Studio Template from the SDK, it says that it depends of the Web Application Projects add ins. I have Visual Studio 2005 SP1 beta, which contains a new version of Web Application Projects. But it does not work.

    Sadly I cannot setup a separate computer for this.


    Hi DeigoV, the Web Application Projects add in is available here:
    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/aa336618.aspx

  • John Gault wrote:

    3) .NET integration:  is this a myth or will we see a lightwieght runtime incorporated into WPFE?  In the Mike Harsh video he used C# to change opacity if I remember correctly.  has this been abandoned or is it still in play.  Also, will this be a strictly windows technology (the CLR Integration aspect) or are you planning to package a runtime for MAC as well.


    According to a blog post by Scott Guthrie, the managed runtime still to come.

    "We'll also be providing "WPF/E" integration with .NET managed code next year."

    In the meantime, take a look at the following post by Nikhil Kothari - http://www.nikhilk.net/WPFEAndScriptSharp.aspx

  • great!  So what about the controls.  Why not support textbox and button?  I'm really scratching my head on that one so please tell me this is not a design decision.
  • I have downloaded the WPF/E CTP & SDK, I played with them and have noticed that WPF/E does not fully support Unicode, as I use a TextBlock to test the display of Arabic text, WPF/E was rendering the text incorrectly as if it is rendering the text from left to right while Arabic text should be render from right to left. This same behavior is true for Hebrew too which is also a right-to-left language.
  • Ernie BoothErnie Booth The Electron Sculptor
    Fayez AlMutairi wrote:
    TextBlock to test the display of Arabic text, WPF/E was rendering the text incorrectly as if it is rendering the text from left to right while Arabic text should be render from right to left. This same behavior is true for Hebrew too which is also a right-to-left language.


    We will have support for these, we didn't have time to do that in our current CTP.
  • Sorry for playing the Devil's Advocate here, but is there any reason why WPF/E should be used when a perfectly mature and viable alternative (read Macromedia / Adobe Flash) has been available for years?
  • Jeroen Ritmeijer wrote:
    Sorry for playing the Devil's Advocate here, but is there any reason why WPF/E should be used when a perfectly mature and viable alternative (read Macromedia / Adobe Flash) has been available for years?


    I think if you had ever tried to use Flash for any type of serious work involving data access and display as opposed to strictly static/visual presentation you would definitely not be referring to Flash as "perfectly mature and viable."
  • Actually - Adobe and Mozilla are co-operating to change Flash's Actionscript language to ECMAscript and of course will then have it sitting outside of the swf therefore allowing the scripting of swf objects without it being compiled in the file.

    -this of course will be highly advantageous to WPF/E - becuase anyone that has flash and an ECMAscript capable browser will be able to eXperience extended Flash browsing....

    shame they are both proprietry and SVG isn't taking off as it should!
  • If you want to observe the full power of WPF/E, then visit this site:

    http://www.vista.si

    Realistic Windows Vista simulation. And yes! it has even integrated (simulated of course) Windows Media Player.

    Unfortunately, it is in Slovenian language, without translation, but you can get the feeling anyway... icons are quite self-explanatory.


    Probably the first OS-like web site with WPF/E technology.
  • I am very impressed by your presentation and the posibilities that WPF/E brings to the table. I have a need to run a C# script engine on the browser. Is this possible with your WPF/E product?

    Thanks
    intrader@aol.com
  • Hi,
    This looks really interesting,
    where can i download the sample files shown in this demo from?

    thanks,
    Duncan

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