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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

SenorLambda — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:57:03 GMT

Tres cool! I love to see Microsoft doing this interviews. Does anyone has more pointers to the thing Alex was talking about manycore? They had some good comments. My favorite one-liners: Joseph: "You can fake it with JavaScript, but you don't want to" "The web is about being promiscuous but safe" Alex: "Text on the web is the important thing. It doesn't matter what the browser does with it after that" Douglas: "JSON: XML without the crap", "JavaScript wasn't state of the art when it was introduced, and it hasn't aged well" and "All the current engines were optimized for time-to-market, and that time was 10 years ago"

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

JChung2006 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:45:58 GMT

Great video! I enjoyed listening to the perspectives of these JavaScript experts on the history, current state, and future of the world's most popular programming language. I would have liked a little more technical discussion about the upcoming ECMAScript standard but enjoyable nonetheless!

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

earnshaw — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:06:26 GMT

It is nice to see the enthusiasm for JavaScript, or enthusiasm for anything. HTML, in its many incarnations, with or without the addition of CSS, and the so-called Document Object Model, and standards promulgated by the W3C, well... As far as I'm concerned the whole web languages thing is an ad hoc muddle that was pushed by people who needed something, anything, that was able to put eye-popping advertisements on web pages. JavaScript is a means through which a web page gets to tell the Browser to do "special" things, like ignore a user request to copy text, and like ensure a user fills out a form correctly using only local computing resources. Naturally, being a full-featured language mainly for Browser instruction, JavaScript can be used to, par exemple, implement translation layers when necessary. That would be an extension to the Browser that is implemented in a web page. Whatever it takes. Interesting name, JavaScript. Really quite unrelated to the computer programming language Java, which can confuse the uninitiated. In 100 years I expect the Internet to have evolved beyond ad hoc to something logical, clean, and comprehensible.

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

Bas — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:55:34 GMT

earnshaw wrote:

It is nice to see the enthusiasm for JavaScript, or enthusiasm for anything. HTML, in its many incarnations, with or without the addition of CSS, and the so-called Document Object Model, and standards promulgated by the W3C, well... As far as I'm concerned the whole web languages thing is an ad hoc muddle

Agreed. The worst thing, IMHO, is that a whole generation of new web applications is going to be built on this quagmire.

earnshaw wrote:

In 100 years I expect the Internet to have evolved beyond ad hoc to something logical, clean, and comprehensible.

I think you're being optimistic.

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

cmaurya — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:12:13 GMT

Haven't watched the video, but JavaScript *is* evolving as ECMAScript ... http://www.ecmascript.org (and also as Adobe's ActionScript
language).

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

saju — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:34:55 GMT

Great Stuff!!
Keep the good work Charles!!!

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

Ion Todirel — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:31:25 GMT

nice to see Charles too, you shouldn't hide behind camera Charles, nice video

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

Charles — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:42:23 GMT

Thanks! I'll probably spend about half of the time in front of the camera as the year rolls on... Or maybe not.

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

esoteric — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:33:05 GMT

I don't agree that it's important for a language to be stable for it to be useful and make things like AJAX (yawn) possible. As long as changes are backwards compatible, no problem. Even if not, you can create a compiler for the old version that maps to the new version. I hope we'll see a new language in the browser. Of course we can compile more efficient languages down to Javascript, but building a castle on sand is not that appealing...

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Re: Douglas Crockford, Alex Russell and Joseph Smarr: On the Past, Present and Future of JavaScript

ymasuda_ — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:53:48 GMT

As engineering popularity of JavaScript met the 2^nd chance from AJAX and that industrially dedicated standard efforts, Java computing industory is obliged more to invest for assets.

One of cautious terms in given subject of JavaScript development survival is that JavaScript processor has been hailing more investment groups as much as industry promotes AJAX processing capability. In other word, industrial solution might compensate Java development business assets beyond foudemental JavaScript and AJAX integration. To be frank with JavaScript, AJAX stays in focus of standard and more industrial investments. That seems to be different business trend from other popular languages.

Designers of Dynamic Language Runtime (DLR) may considerably demand asynchronous processing pipeline of languages to tackle AJAX like activity focused processing mode..

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