Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 - Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud Erik Meijer is a computer science professor turned Microsoft Architect. He is responsible for things like helping to make VB.NET a great development language that supports constructs other managed languages can't or working on LINQ for C# and much more. He also leads an incubation team working on some really cool progamming technology that promises to democratize the internet cloud. What does that mean? Watch or listen to find out.This is a great conversation with a software tools and languages visionary. Enjoy. en Fri, 24 May 2013 17:49:46 GMT Fri, 24 May 2013 17:49:46 GMT Rev9 Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud

posted by erik_

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632906566330000000 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:57:13 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632906566330000000 erik_ Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
I shall say no more....hehe Tongue Out

posted by Harlequin

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632906629860000000 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:43:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632906629860000000 Harlequin Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
I would love to see Microsoft get more behind some of the .NET languages developed outside of Redmond. Languages like Boo and Nemerle have great features like type inference, duck typing, first class functions, syntactic macros and much more.
The only thing holding these languages back is the lack of tool support i.e. Visual Studio.
Whilst some of the advanced features may be beyond VB Mort's, they allow those in the know to be very productive. The result is better code developed, which in turn can be consumed by the business-level developers.
I personally see Nemerle as a potential successor to C#. It can look and feel just like C#, but allows so much more expressiveness if you want it.

posted by Andrew Davey

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632906704030000000 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:46:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632906704030000000 Andrew Davey Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
Microsoft marketing innovation at work

posted by nemisys

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632906709430000000 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:55:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632906709430000000 nemisys Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
nemisys wrote:

Microsoft marketing innovation at work
haha, i thought this is one of the Jamie's

posted by Ion Todirel

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907230950000000 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:24:55 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907230950000000 Ion Todirel Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
If you're gonna title a video "Democratizing the Cloud" .... you should really talk about democratizing the cloud.

posted by Minh

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907282720000000 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:51:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907282720000000 Minh Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
Minh wrote:
Dynamic languages is a great topic, so, just a gripe ...

If you're gonna title a video "Democratizing the Cloud" .... you should really talk about democratizing the cloud.


We do... But, yeah, perhaps we could have spent more time explicitly addressing the work his incubation team is currently doing....
C

posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907295410000000 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:12:21 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907295410000000 Charles Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
Too many ways to do the same thing!

Developing code is easy.  That is not the hard part of a project.  We don't need dynamic typing, we don't need duck typing! (That is horrible!)

The hard part is writing GOOD code.  Solid code.  Most projects spend 80% of the project in the defect fixing and support phase.  Strong typing, may make a little more difficult to originally develop the code, but it results in better code that is more robust AND the compiler does the work of finding your bugs for you.

The single biggest cost in any software development project is fixing defects.  We need to go more and more towards the direction of strong typing and one langauge.  Not the other direction.

I like some of the ideas here, but I really hope Microsoft does not come even close to going this direction.  VB.NET, while it has its good aspects, has caused some of the most expensive software development problems in the world.  The ease of use, results in misuse and undertrained developers taking on tasks bigger than they should and not learning enough to write good maintainable code.

posted by Ssmoimo

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907329600000000 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:09:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907329600000000 Ssmoimo Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud I always thought it strange to discard years of advanced compiler and type systems design!

I hope the next version of VB does have the "Dynamic Interface" feature. It provides the best way to program against weakly typed objects. It lets the all your code be strongly typed to the interface, however at runtime you can attempt to cast any object type you want to it. I believe the runtime will then check the validity of the object upfront - so you get fail fast, rather than fail half way through some nasty computation due to mis-spelling a function!

posted by Andrew Davey

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907417720000000 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:36:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907417720000000 Andrew Davey Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
nemisys wrote:

Microsoft marketing innovation at work


Great !!!

I printed it and put it on my cube wall..

posted by ubercoder

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907472430000000 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:07:23 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907472430000000 ubercoder Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
nemisys wrote:

Microsoft marketing innovation at work


I think I own the Mac guy's jeans. They look like a pair of Paul Smith/Diesel.

Worrying thing is that I also own a sports jacket that looks similar to Windows guy. Not quite as lame though ...

posted by Simo

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907711720000000 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:46:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907711720000000 Simo Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud posted by TommyCarlier

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907970260000000 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:57:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632907970260000000 TommyCarlier Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
Its beeing worked on:)


Have a look at http://jsc.sourceforge.net/

posted by zproxy

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632908033080000000 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:41:48 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632908033080000000 zproxy Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud MSIL to JavaScript is important. My fear is that it may be a difficult feat to pull off technically.

posted by samirsshah

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632909115200000000 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:45:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632909115200000000 samirsshah Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
Well, there are some limitations. But it is a work in progress.



Just added initial c# to j2me support.

visit the web for details:)


posted by zproxy

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632909860530000000 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:27:33 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632909860530000000 zproxy Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
http://msdn.microsoft.com/archive/default.asp?url=/archive/en-us/vbtv/default.asp

posted by jonm

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632911721160000000 Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:08:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c632911721160000000 jonm Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
"oh that's so cool" - Charles


um.. wait a second. He didn't really explain how to do 3D with DHTML. All he explained was that you can break shapes up into Triangles.

The link Erik is referring to is here: http://www.uselesspickles.com/triangles/demo.html
Just view the source of the page to view the code behind rendering the 3D object with JavaScript.

posted by CRPietschmann

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c633200895290000000 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:45:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c633200895290000000 CRPietschmann Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud
zproxy wrote:
IL to javascript?

Its beeing worked on


Have a look at http://jsc.sourceforge.net/



There is also Script# by Nikhil Kothari. It compiles C# code into JavaScript code.
http://projects.nikhilk.net/Projects/ScriptSharp.aspx

posted by CRPietschmann

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c633200898370000000 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:50:37 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Erik-Meijer-Democratizing-the-Cloud#c633200898370000000 CRPietschmann Re: Erik Meijer: Democratizing the Cloud posted by jim

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