Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/previewImages/100/241142_100x75.jpg Channel 9 - Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent Domain-Specific Language Tools allow Visual Studio 2005 developers to create their own graphical designers and code generation tools like the ones you find in Visual Studio today, such as the Class Designer. In this interview Brian Keller chats with Stuart Kent, a senior program manager on the Visual Studio Team System team, who gives us a tour of the DSL tools and creates an example DSL from scratch. en Sat, 25 May 2013 04:17:22 GMT Sat, 25 May 2013 04:17:22 GMT Rev9 Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent posted by thewizster

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632967934580000000 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:37:38 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632967934580000000 thewizster Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent posted by Ion Todirel

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632967941720000000 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:49:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632967941720000000 Ion Todirel Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent

posted by Jasp

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632967962230000000 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:23:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632967962230000000 Jasp Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
Jasp wrote:
If this can do what I think it can do, then this is massive!


I can't agree more. This is a major step forward.

posted by Dumbledore

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632968337860000000 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:49:46 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632968337860000000 Dumbledore Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent I don't like the name. This is such a great technology that the name "DSL Tools" doesn't convey the message at all.

posted by Dumbledore

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632968339650000000 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:52:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632968339650000000 Dumbledore Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent

posted by SantosRay

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632969534760000000 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:04:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632969534760000000 SantosRay Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
What's the crossover between this and Workflow Foundation?

posted by dudenumber4

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632972166650000000 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:11:05 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c632972166650000000 dudenumber4 Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
If someone wrote a "hello world" thing (class/type/whatever aka thing) and wanted everyone in the company to have and use it logically the creator ("you" in this example) would put it in the highest possible scope, right?  That scope would be company-wide, right?  What is company wide; well its the domain. 

So if this company was "msdn.com" and you worked for channel9 and for simplicity lets say channel9 inherits all from the parent company.  In other words placing hello world at msdn.com would give everyone at channel9.msdn.com the "thing" as well. 

All tech questions have a catch, which I call "depends" (just like the diapers its a catch all).  So the depends answer is based on the trust levels between domains.  (Note sure if any of this is legally true, but just run with the example to illustrate the concept.) Basically, since channel9 is a sub-company of microsoft (aka microsoft.com) the trust between domains dicates how hello world could be passed there as well.  However, it would not go to "apple.com" for it is limited to domains.

Hope that made any sense.  

Workflow diagram are different in that you could use domain specific language (dsl) to create the rules that the workflow must follow or modify any aspect of it.  Think of it like the tool used to create the workflow foundation.  The depends is based on the eulas and I have no clue if it was created with it, but that is its level of power.  Hope that helps...

posted by ianlaurin

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633051823510000000 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:52:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633051823510000000 ianlaurin Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
Interesting technology, just wanna know if the DSL tool also aplies for web applications ?

posted by ravedome

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633055748570000000 Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:54:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633055748570000000 ravedome Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
Details on the book can be found at www.domainspecificdevelopment.com

posted by stukent

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633198711220000000 Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:05:22 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633198711220000000 stukent Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
You can use DSL Tools to build workflow like designers which can put to any purpose, and are not tied to the WF runtime.

For example, if you wanted to build a workflow designer for business process modeling, or say to model scenarios when doing requirements capture, then you'd use DSL Tools to create it. You might then translate those models into a form that could be consumed by WF, for those aspects of the business workflows that you wanted to automate.

Hope that helps.

--Stuart Kent (MSFT)

posted by stukent

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633198714550000000 Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:10:55 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633198714550000000 stukent Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent Dear Stuart
I just watched your video, it’s really great. I wanted to ask that if it is possible to have the designer hosted in my application instead of having it hosted in "Experimental Copy of Visual Studio" as you referred to it in your video. I basically want the business user to be able to use DSL  Designer(the one that appeared by pressing F5) from within my application at runtime. And would you please guide me as to what extent the WF are able to support the concept of DSL, after all what we do there is also to build a Domain Specific Language (Correct me if I am wrong). 

posted by moazrub

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633241403320000000 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:58:52 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633241403320000000 moazrub Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
after reading so many MS documents about DSL and watching your  movie still it is hard for me to get the full big picture of the technology.

you know that a perfect DSL tool should create final codes with minimum meta data and give the developer maximum customization possibility without loosing anything after re-generating code.

First of all, you need diffrent UI tools to see your model. the current default designer is not enough for all scenarios. and some times a Tree and Grid view is a perfect  media to show and  modify the model.
I know about DSL powertoy but DSL designer needs some basic default editors in place without asking users to add their own editors.

There is a company named MetaCase that they are making DSL tools for a while.
they have a good feature matrix  to  compare  DSL tools.
this is the page:
http://www.metacase.com/mwb/tool_comparison.html

Could you please compare MS DSL Tachnology against this matrix?

I beleive this feature matrix is an excelent thing to compare DSL tools.

Thanks

posted by Amir1354

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633307379010000000 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:38:21 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633307379010000000 Amir1354 Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
I liked this new tool, and I really enjoy using it.

Although I have the same question with "moazrub".

I want to embed the designer into my aplication, and control it, getting the model when the user finishes the drawing.

I was reading the book "Domain-Specific Development with Visual Studio DSL Tools" by Steve Cook, Gareth Jones et al.
In chapter 10 "Advanced DSL Customization" subchapter "Building the DSL Diagram into Another Interface", we read that it is possible to embed a Docview, but mentions nothing about using the whole designer, and getting the model back.

In other words, is it possible to use my own application instead the "Experimental Copy of Visual Studio Hive"??
Does DSL tools and GMF (http://www.eclipse.org/gmf/) share some common functionality? or even better is ALL the GMF functionality included-provided by DSL tools?


Thank you in advance,

Apone.

posted by Apone

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633307479640000000 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:26:04 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633307479640000000 Apone Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
This is the only video on the web right now which explains how to work with DSL tools. Sigh !!

posted by kgvinayak

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633326499950000000 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:46:35 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633326499950000000 kgvinayak Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent
Thanks

Yair

posted by Yair

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633327398040000000 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:43:24 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633327398040000000 Yair Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent Can't find the video too.Sad

posted by juergen.behrendsen

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633362658720000000 Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:11:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633362658720000000 juergen.behrendsen Re: Exploring the new Domain-Specific Language (DSL) Tools with Stuart Kent http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/cc296539.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/cc302400.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/cc197965.aspx

Enjoy!

posted by DavidOliver

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633411130140000000 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:36:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Exploring-the-new-Domain-Specific-Language-DSL-Tools-with-Stuart-Kent#c633411130140000000 DavidOliver