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IE 7: What's new in Beta 2 Preview

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Wondering what's new in IE7 Beta 2 (The Legal Preview Smiley)? Well, our Scoble recently sat down with the IE team to find out exactly what's new in IE in its most recent incarnation (called a Preview). Dean Hachamovitch, General Manager of the IE team, leads the discussion.   You can get the Beta 2 Preview of IE 7 here.

Also check out MIX06, Dean and the IE Team will be presenting sessions at MIX as well as hosting an IE7 compatibility lab. 


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  • ZeoZeo Channel 9 :)
    Where's the download? I'm really eager to try this out!!!!! Smiley Smiley
  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    The bits will be available today (soon)! Check out http://microsoft.com/ie for details.
    C
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    Well it's not online yet. Does anybody know when the bits will be on?

    Charles wrote:

    The bits will be available today (soon)!


    Means tomorrow, european time here (GMT +1) Wink
  • Direct link: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

    Blog post (many, many details to come) http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/

    Enjoy!
  • I can't really tell the difference between the two checksheets for the IT Pro and for the Developer.  Shouldn't as an IT Pro I be more concerned that applications I use IE to acess still work and render correctly then if a website still works?

    In my view the Developer would be more concerned with this.  Can someone please explain this?


  • ZeoZeo Channel 9 :)
    Is that a google hat on his desk?????
  • i threw firefox right out ! didn't even watch the video before

    edit: i 'd love to be in that office..... i mean... the view is really beautiful. that's my idea of a dream office (if there's such a thing)
  • LarsenalLarsenal ready to give an answer
    I like it so far.

    Although this isn't complete as far as the UX, why does the "Favorites Center" disappear when you delete a page from the Favorites by clicking on the little red X?

    Having never used any of the previous builds, I like the Printing experience a lot.

    My feeds work correctly.

    Appears to run faster than FF.

    So far so good.

    I am puzzled by one state ment in the Dev. Checklist:  "Do not mix HTTP content into an HTTP page."   Is that a typo?

  • Yes. I noticed that google hat, too Big Smile
  • Can someone tell the uk.msn.com to sort out their website now. Since installing IE7 beta2 it doesnt render correctly.

    I love the CTRL+Q feature
  • Larsenal wrote:
    I like it so far.

    Although this isn't complete as far as the UX, why does the "Favorites Center" disappear when you delete a page from the Favorites by clicking on the little red X?

    Having never used any of the previous builds, I like the Printing experience a lot.

    My feeds work correctly.

    Appears to run faster than FF.

    So far so good.

    I am puzzled by one state ment in the Dev. Checklist:  "Do not mix HTTP content into an HTTP page."   Is that a typo?

    I'm glad you like it.   Favorites Center thing is a bug (it shouldn't close like that).  The Dev Checklist thing is indeed a typo, it should be

    "Do not mix HTTP content into an HTTPS page".
  • Iain Rae LennoxSkriker V1.0 Need more money...
    Im concerend, Its not always conveniant to open a URL from IE, so I just type into the address bar from the active folder I have and boom i get my requested page, the window becomes IE. but now it launches IE 7 and my original window is left in the background, i suppose some people would think this is a good thing, what do you all think?
  • Iain Rae LennoxSkriker V1.0 Need more money...
    ooo cant render http://www.technorati.com/ anyone else?
  • Jeff Sandquistjeffsand Inch by Inch
    Skriker V1.0 wrote:
    ooo cant render http://www.technorati.com/ anyone else?



    Technorati is loading great for me right now on IE7.
  • rasxrasx Emperor of String.Empty
    So IE uses RSS 2.0 internally. Dave Winer rocks! Sorry, Atom dudes!Wink I wanna see Dave Winer and Don Box in the same Channel 9 Episode!
  • warrenwarren atom heart mother
    Best quote from the video: "IE7 makes junk mail fun again!"
  • I like it. A vast improvement over the last beta. I hope you add search to the favourites menu... I've had to hack away at the menu/tool bars a bit but it is acceptable now.

    It is, with the new design, difficult to change the toolbars or figure out how to.

  • JazJaz From the depths of Wales I come
    http://uk.msn.com/ isn't rendering properly
  • I have seen one issue w/ Sharepoint and posted about it on the Wiki
  • I like it, but there is 1 thing I do not like about the UX:

    In firefox it has the close tabs all the way to the right, so I can just slam my mouse over and click on it without any hesitation. In I.E. I have to click on the tab itself.
  • UnknownProgrammerUnknown​Programmer Hello World!
    Intresting the google hat just about to post about it looks like ppl beaten me to it, i smell conspiracy theory
  • warrenwarren atom heart mother
    BenZilla wrote:
    I like it, but there is 1 thing I do not like about the UX:

    In firefox it has the close tabs all the way to the right, so I can just slam my mouse over and click on it without any hesitation. In I.E. I have to click on the tab itself.


    Press Ctrl+W.  That will close the current tab.  If you mouse right-handed, you probably have your left hand resting on the left side of the keyboard anyhow, so it's a pretty quick & convenient shortcut.

  • www.live.com is pretty messed up in IE7. The positioning of the elements are all over the place. You guys gotta fix that. Big Smile

  • AQAQ One does not thank logic

    DHTML rendering is noticibly improved. Try it out on this pure-Javascript RPG:
    http://www.smokymonkeys.com/triglav/

    I am interested in data mining the Browsing History of machines on my LAN. On researching the topic a bit I noticed some discussion about Firefox moving away from Mork to an SQL-like history database. Have you discussed creating a developer-friendly history store in IE, preferably XML or RSS based? Or is there a security/privacy issue involved? 'Cuz I can't even seem to find the new history.dat file anymore???

  • anthq11anthq11 Ah, it's just me!
    HELP!  I get errors when installing!

    Log File Below:

    00:00.000: ====================================================================
    00:00.359: Started: 2006/01/31 19:12:21.281 (local)
    00:00.578: Time Format in this log: MM:ss.mmm (minutes:seconds.milliseconds)
    00:00.781: Command line: c:\dcd23a8ff60d16d65b02fa1cf5\update\iesetup.exe
    00:01.250: INFO:    Checking version for C:\WINDOWS\system32\wdigest.dll: 523124.523140.523128.523132
    00:01.547: INFO:    C:\WINDOWS\system32\wdigest.dll version: 5.1.2600.2180
    00:01.859: INFO:    Checking C:\WINDOWS\system32\wdigest.dll against minimal version of 5.1.2600.2784...
    00:01.891: INFO:    wdigest.dll needs to be replaced with a newer version.
    00:01.906: INFO:    Checking version for C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe: 523420.523412.523424.523416
    00:01.953: INFO:    C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe version: 6.0.2900.2180
    00:01.969: INFO:    iexplore.exe's version must be greater than 7.0.0.0...
    00:02.000: INFO:    ...and lower than or equal to 7.0.9999.9999...
    00:02.016: INFO:    iexplore.exe version check success. Install can proceed.
    00:05.703: INFO:    EULA Accepted
    00:06.828: INFO:    WGA Validation started
    00:07.828: INFO:    WGA check succeeded
    00:10.406: INFO:    Options selected:
    00:10.437: INFO:        [ ] Run    MRT
    00:10.469: INFO:        [ ] Update MRT
    00:10.516: INFO:        [ ] Update IE
    00:10.609: INFO:    |Initialize      >>> >-------------------------------------
    00:10.656: INFO:    |Initialize      >>> <-------------------------------------
    00:10.672: INFO:    |WU WDIGEST      >>> >-------------------------------------
    00:10.703: INFO:    |WU WDIGEST      >>> (Skipping)
    00:10.734: INFO:    |WU WDIGEST      >>> <-------------------------------------
    00:10.750: INFO:    |WU MRT          >>> >-------------------------------------
    00:10.781: INFO:    |WU MRT          >>> (Skipping)
    00:10.812: INFO:    |WU MRT          >>> <-------------------------------------
    00:10.828: INFO:    |WU IE           >>> >-------------------------------------
    00:10.859: INFO:    |WU IE           >>> (Skipping)
    00:10.891: INFO:    |WU IE           >>> <-------------------------------------
    00:10.906: INFO:    |Inst. MRT       >>> >-------------------------------------
    00:10.937: INFO:    |Inst. MRT       >>> (Skipping)
    00:10.953: INFO:    |Inst. MRT       >>> <-------------------------------------
    00:10.984: INFO:    |IEAK Before     >>> >-------------------------------------
    00:11.016: INFO:    |IEAK Before     >>> (Skipping)
    00:11.031: INFO:    |IEAK Before     >>> <-------------------------------------
    00:11.062: INFO:    |Inst. IE        >>> >-------------------------------------
    00:11.078: INFO:    |Inst. IE        >>> Waiting for Internet Explorer installation to complete...
    00:11.125: INFO:    Process 320 created for 'update.exe /quiet /norestart /er /log:C:\WINDOWS'
    01:53.375: INFO:    Process 'update.exe /quiet /norestart /er /log:C:\WINDOWS' exited with exit code 61453
    01:53.406: ERROR:   |Inst. IE        >>> Internet Explorer installation completed with errors, exitresult=0x00000000, exitcode=0x0000f00d
    01:53.437: INFO:    |Inst. IE        >>> <-------------------------------------
    01:53.453: INFO:    |IEAK After IE   >>> >-------------------------------------
    01:53.500: INFO:    |IEAK After IE   >>> (Skipping)
    01:53.547: INFO:    |IEAK After IE   >>> <-------------------------------------
    01:53.641: INFO:    |Inst. WDigest   >>> >-------------------------------------
    01:53.703: INFO:    |Inst. WDigest   >>> (Skipping)
    01:53.719: INFO:    |Inst. WDigest   >>> <-------------------------------------
    01:53.750: INFO:    |Inst. IE UPD    >>> >-------------------------------------
    01:53.781: INFO:    |Inst. IE UPD    >>> (Skipping)
    01:53.797: INFO:    |Inst. IE UPD    >>> <-------------------------------------
    01:53.828: INFO:    |IEAK After IEUPD>>> >-------------------------------------
    01:53.859: INFO:    |IEAK After IEUPD>>> (Skipping)
    01:53.891: INFO:    |IEAK After IEUPD>>> <-------------------------------------
    01:53.906: INFO:    |IEAK Finalize   >>> >-------------------------------------
    01:53.937: INFO:    |IEAK Finalize   >>> (Skipping)
    01:53.969: INFO:    |IEAK Finalize   >>> <-------------------------------------
    01:53.984: INFO:    |Finalize        >>> >-------------------------------------
    01:54.016: INFO:    |Finalize        >>> <-------------------------------------
    02:08.062: INFO:    REBOOT: not needed.
    02:08.094: INFO:    Installer return value: hr=0x00000000
    02:08.172: INFO:    Setup exit code: 0x00000000.


    Igh.  How do I fix it?
  • anthq11anthq11 Ah, it's just me!
    Sorry - i did this post twice so I just changed this.
  • Wonderful program. Do they want feedback? If so, where?
  • joem83joem83 Heading toward the future. IE8, Vista, Office12, Zune 2.0
    Live.com is work fine here, what type of problems are you having?
  • anthq11anthq11 Ah, it's just me!
    It just WONT install.  I've tried it like 10 times.
  • brian.shapirobrian.​shapiro things go on as always
    buggy things that have bothered me so far:

    you can have two history sidebars open. click on the arrow to the right of the forward button, click on history. then click on the favorites center and the history button, then dock it to the side. silly, huh?

    put in a URL for a local address, and it will always open it in a new browser window, and if you have firefox as your default browser, it will open it in firefox. why work this way?

    there seems to be a problem with this reply to webpage, when i type the page scrolls up, which is annoying.

    .....

    i still think the icons (and vista icons generally) are a little garish as are the two back/forward buttons side by side. its good that the interface is simplified but it also looks cluttered as if theyre trying to put too much in a small space

    ....

    i haven't tested yet, but i'm hoping IE7 has support for 'inline-block'. if it does (which firefox doesn't except through a proprietary hack *ahem*), screw firefox.

    ....

    oh yea, and when live bookmarks is developed, i hope there is a nice way to integrate it into the browser interface. if you could view RSS feeds like you view favorites, and then just have an RSS feed for live bookmarks, that would take care of that.

    (i always wished search sidebar had been improved btw, instead of everyone moving to search toolbar boxes)
  • joem83 wrote:
    Live.com is work fine here, what type of problems are you having?


    Here is a screenshot:

    http://www.thecreamfilling.com/livecom-ie7.png

    Sidebar is really messed up, huge white spaces everywhere. Pictures are in the wrong position.
  • I'm really pleased so far. Here's my list of questions/suggestions:

    (1) Could you add an option to disable the alt behavior to bring back the menu bar when hidden? I'm trying to wean myself off the old behavior to see how I like the new UI. Also, I find the resizing of the interface to be distracting.

    (2) Could address bar be extended to act as a word wheel for favorites and feeds? For instance, if I typed "Windows Live", the Windows Live.com favorite, as well as the live.com and OneCare Live feeds would be pushed to the top of the autocomplete list. Ideally, we'd be able to query in free-form; if I were to type "live favorites", the Windows Live Favorites link would be pushed to the top, even though I didn't type "Windows".

    (3) As RSS becomes more prevalent, it's more likely to contain sensitive information. For instance, I know GMail allows one to subscribe to a feed of new messages. Future versions of Sharepoint, I understand, will also support feeds. Would you explain what, if any, privacy guards exist to prevent consumer applications of the RSS platform from harvesting sensitive personal or corporate information?

    Thanks. Smiley
  • JonathonWCannot​Resolve​Symbol Microsoft: Who do you want to execute today?
    BryanF wrote:
    (2) Could address bar be extended to act as a word wheel for favorites and feeds? For instance, if I typed "Windows Live", the Windows Live.com favorite, as well as the live.com and OneCare Live feeds would be pushed to the top of the autocomplete list. Ideally, we'd be able to query in free-form; if I were to type "live favorites", the Windows Live Favorites link would be pushed to the top, even though I didn't type "Windows".


    Except for free-form query, this already works for favorites.  You just don't realize it because your favorite most likely starts with the same letter as the URL and the URL goes up to the top of the list if it's accessed more than the favorite.
  • rjdohnertrjdohnert You will never know success until you know failure
    Great Job guys, looks phenomenol, works great.  This is the best video and download I could have gotten.  i will watch the Video again tomorrow on the plane.  Make sure the final RTM product can only install on validated copies of Windows.  Pirates shouldnt get their hands on these bits.
  • CannotResolveSymbol wrote:
    Except for free-form query, this already works for favorites.  You just don't realize it because your favorite most likely starts with the same letter as the URL and the URL goes up to the top of the list if it's accessed more than the favorite.

    Actually, I already knew that. That's actually what gave me the initial idea. Tongue Out

    Free form would make it a lot more accessible, and I'd like to see the functionality extended to feeds. Maybe it's picky, but it's a sort of finishing touch.

    Also, as to point 3, I guess what I'm really asking is how does the permissions system compare to filesystem permissions. Is there a similar system?
  • KhamulKhamul Death by Escape Key
    I don't like it. Specifically the inability to have NO tabs open at once, and the toolbar WITH the tabs is really ugly, especially if you're like me and have five or ten tabs open at once on a 1024x768 Laptop screen. The favourites are clumsy and should be more central in the UI. The final problem is not one with the application itself, but all my saved passwords, bookmarks, settings in Firefox would take an unnecessarily long time to port. It is also irritating to have the Back/Forward and Address bar compulsorily situated at the TOP of the screen.

    I think every problem I've mentioned above (except the Firefox settings) could be fixed through a more flexible UI - even with Toolbars unlocked, the HOME/FEEDS/PRINT etc toolbar will NOT move above the Tabs band and I cannot put the classic menu above the menu bar.

    Unless I see some major improvements, the first thing I'm installing on Vista is Firefox.

    EDIT: http://www.blazeenterprises.co.nr/filehost/compare.htm
  • As little as it sounds, I like the new icons in IE7. Although they missed one major icon, the autoscroll icon. Look at this IE7 vs Firefox...



    Guess which is which Tongue Out

    EDIT: I dont know if it was posted, but when backspacing or erasing words or characters here, it does weird things in IE7 Beta 2 preview. It like stays, but it really isnt' there, cause it disappears when you type back over it..

  • So far I like the update, but just with IE 6, I seem to be experiencing issues with Channel9.

    Editing:
    I am having the same issues with typing replies as others.  If I back space, the computer seems to hang.

    But, in general, the whole Channel9 site seems to be bad for IE.  If I scroll through the main page or the forums, it is very choppy and lags happen throughout.   My processor spikes to 100% as I type replies and scroll through pages.  This experience is not happening on other broswers I have used on this site.

    The lagging/processor spiking also occurs when I click on the Favorites Center icon and then click an RSS feed to read.

    I am having no problems with Live.com/mail beta as others have mentioned.

    EDIT: I have also noticed that when I open a new tab, the GoogleToolbar, I have the newest version (V4), does not show up until I actually go to a website with that new tab.  Is this behavior by design?
  • feels very lightweight and all the pages i visit are rendered well. gj Big Smile
  • Nice video and I'm loving the new Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview for Windows XP SP2. I don't have any problems surfing the net with this beta, except that some web pages doesn't load correctly. Overall to me Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview for Windows XP SP2 is good improvement.

  • William Staceystaceyw Before C# there was darkness...
    Would like to be able to sort Favorites by name or date added.  That seems like low hanging fruit.
  • intelman wrote:

    As little as it sounds, I like the new icons in IE7. Although they missed one major icon, the autoscroll icon.



    Well, it is the standard icon you see all throughout Windows (Notepad, etc) and not specific to IE.
  • True, but it still looks broken. I really do not know how that got put in there, it looks completely unacceptable.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    jeffsand wrote:
    Skriker V1.0 wrote: ooo cant render http://www.technorati.com/ anyone else?



    Technorati is loading great for me right now on IE7.


    Not working here.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    The old icons in the IE should be replaced by new once... It's a program we are using very often... You should give it new icons.
  • I'm a long time software developer who requires IE and IIS for some of the things we do. I really like where you're going with IE7, clearly you've done your homework. You've done a great job addressing a lot of the issues I've had in recent years, and I think you've nailed the most important competitive features. The difference in the UI is startling - and that's a good thing. The way you implemented tabbed browsing, anti-phishing, RSS, print fix, all very well done. I did notice that favorites bug mentioned in this thread, and also occasionally some pages would simply come up blank in IE7 but not other browsers. I wonder if it might be the fault of the site, because IE7 is stricter on some things, so I don't want to prejudge. Anyway, if I had FireFox installed, I would definitely consider switching, particularly with the enabling of Vista sandbox mode. But if you're picking up my default browser right now, it's Opera. Although it has occasional rendering incompatibilities it has some nice advantages: - it's known to be one of the fastest browsers, and that has been my experience; - it does a great job of tabbed browsing and file transfer management; - it supports hundreds of skins (okay, it's a guilty pleasure); - it exposes a lot more functionality (such as quick preferences) on the menu bar; - it's more isolated. New versions don't mess up my code. We use the Microsoft web browser control in a lot of our code. Unfortunately, IE7 completely breaks the reference, so many of our projects no longer load. We can work to fix, but if you could address that we would greatly apreciate it. Also, IE7 requires all windows to contain an address bar, right? For the internet it seems on the surface to make sense, but I would argue that there are legit reasons on an intranet. Bottom line for me: basic backward compatibility is at least as important as new features.
  • Jaz wrote:
    http://uk.msn.com/ isn't rendering properly


    I confirm the problem with this site.Sad

     Is a typical MS situation...Perplexed in one hand we have the new IE7 much more nice and stable, while in the other a MS site could'nt be rendered.... Wink he he he

  • I suppose HTML emails in Outlook are now rendered using IE7 (if installed)... they do look slightly different but most concerning is that I can no longer click hyperlinks from html emails in Outlook. And IE is not even set as my default brower!

    Does anyone else have this problem?

  • Links in Outlook work just fine, like they did before for me.

    I have some feature requests:

    • Could you add a "highlight" button to the search box, such that words in the box are highlighted in the text rendered. This is a feature I use a lot to quickly find my search terms in long HTML pages.
    • I believe there is a lot the can be done to improve the favorites:
      • Favorites are stored online, such that I can see them from any page. Fits nicely with Microsoft's Live initiative, and takes the wind out of Google's "favorites".
      • The ability to share some, but not all, of my favorites, with a selected group of users. Like shared folders. Works best when favorites are stored online.
      • An RSS feed on my shared online favorites, which updates the RSS items when I add, delete or move a bookmark.
      • Seeing the shared favorites of others (that I registered to) as a directory in my own shared favorites. Again, works best when favorites are online.
      • The ability to see and browse through my favorites using the meta tags found on the page bookmarked. This works a lot like browsing MP3s in Windows Media Player using the tags inside.

    I do like the changes made so far, especially printing and RSS.

  • MasterPieMasterPi taddah!
    littleguru wrote:
    jeffsand wrote:
    Skriker V1.0 wrote: ooo cant render http://www.technorati.com/ anyone else?



    Technorati is loading great for me right now on IE7.


    Not working here.


    Works fine for me.
  • ShadowChaserShadowChaser It's not easy programming with paws.
    Channel 9 removed all my formatting and line-breaks, ack!
  • ShadowChaserShadowChaser It's not easy programming with paws.

    Am I the only one that finds the phishing feature incredibly scary? Here we have a feature that effectively sends almost every URL people browse to in the world to a single, centralized location.

    The United States has something called the "Patriot Act" - Microsoft has already proven it is willing to send the search terms entered into MSN - how many milliseconds will it be after the IE launch until the NSA secretly demands to have, what is it now, 90% of every URL browsed to in the entire world?

    This isn't science fiction or conspiracy theories - remember the Google subpoena going on right now?

    This is sick Microsoft, shame on you. You go on and on about security, then blatantly aggregate (almost) every URL in the world into a single location??? LOL.

    Phishing is a horrible thing, I agree with you there, and it would be nice to see something done. What you're effectively doing, however, is filtering websites based on your own set of critera. I don't think anyone here will doubt Microsoft on their critera - but once you start filtering Internet content, where is it going to end?

    Will Microsoft use the phishing filter to block democracy websites for Chineese visitors, if the Chineese government requires it? What about adult content with children? - that's a more noble cause than phishing/fraud if you ask me. Heck, you could just go out and block all of those sick and obscene websites.

    But if we're already going to do those things, why don't we block some of those anti-microsoft 'joke' websites that copy Microsoft's design - after all, they are confusing some visitors into thinking it's Microsoft's home page by using the same design.

    I'm *VERY* over the top with my descriptions, but my point remains the same. Microsoft should the single entity deciding on what global Internet content will be blocked to approximately 90% of the world's Internet population, as noble as their original cause.

  • Great job...
    but where is the new Download Manager?
    An what about a *completely* new search-in-page feature?

    Thanks Wink 

  • MinhMinh WOOH!  WOOH!
    ShadowChaser wrote:

    Am I the only one that finds the phishing feature incredibly scary? Here we have a feature that effectively sends almost every URL people browse to in the world to a single, centralized location.



    From the help file...

    ---
    What information does Phishing Filter send to Microsoft?

    When you use Phishing Filter to check websites automatically or manually, the address of the website you are visiting will be sent to Microsoft, together with some standard information from your computer such as IP address, browser type, and Phishing Filter version number.

    ---

    Now, why does MS want my IP to see if a site is a phishing site or not?

  • Minh wrote:
    What information does Phishing Filter send to Microsoft?

    When you use Phishing Filter to check websites automatically or manually, the address of the website you are visiting will be sent to Microsoft, together with some standard information from your computer such as IP address, browser type, and Phishing Filter version number.

    ---

    Now, why does MS want my IP to see if a site is a phishing site or not?

    Think about it for a second.

    All HTTP based traffic includes the IP address.  You can't browse to any website without disclosing your IP. 
     
    The requesting IP address is not used in the evaluation of the site.
  • MinhMinh WOOH!  WOOH!
    BruceMorgan wrote:
    Minh wrote: What information does Phishing Filter send to Microsoft?

    When you use Phishing Filter to check websites automatically or manually, the address of the website you are visiting will be sent to Microsoft, together with some standard information from your computer such as IP address, browser type, and Phishing Filter version number.

    ---

    Now, why does MS want my IP to see if a site is a phishing site or not?

    Think about it for a second.

    All HTTP based traffic includes the IP address.  You can't browse to any website without disclosing your IP. 
     
    The requesting IP address is not used in the evaluation of the site.

    Can we be confirmed that MS is NOT recording my IP?

    Edit: More from the help file--
    Microsoft will not use the information it receives to personally identify you. For more information about what information is sent and how it is used, see the Internet Explorer privacy statement.

    OK. Good. Just that there's a lot of things to be paranoid about lately.
  • Martin Ennemosermawcc Make it so

    Anybody's got an idea how I can remove IE7 Beta 1 from my PC? Things that don't work for me are:

    • Add/Remove Programs with "Show updates" (IE7 doesn't show up in the updates list)
    • Run %windir%\$NtUninstallie7...\spuninst.exe (directory doesn't exist)
    • Reinstalling IE7 Beta1 (tells me that IE7 Beta1 is already installed and won't repair anything)
    • Install IE7 Beta2 (tells me that IE7 Beta1 is installed and I should remove it first)
  • ShadowChaserShadowChaser It's not easy programming with paws.
    Minh wrote:
    BruceMorgan wrote:
    Minh wrote: What information does Phishing Filter send to Microsoft?

    When you use Phishing Filter to check websites automatically or manually, the address of the website you are visiting will be sent to Microsoft, together with some standard information from your computer such as IP address, browser type, and Phishing Filter version number.

    ---

    Now, why does MS want my IP to see if a site is a phishing site or not?

    Think about it for a second.

    All HTTP based traffic includes the IP address.  You can't browse to any website without disclosing your IP. 
     
    The requesting IP address is not used in the evaluation of the site.

    Can we be confirmed that MS is NOT recording my IP?

    Edit: More from the help file--
    Microsoft will not use the information it receives to personally identify you. For more information about what information is sent and how it is used, see the Internet Explorer privacy statement.

    OK. Good. Just that there's a lot of things to be paranoid about lately.


    I agree - I don't believe Microsoft would use this tool for harm, on purpose. Just imagine the bad press!

    My concern is US Law. Microsoft has *NO CHOICE* if the US Government decides to monitor the URLs of every IE user in the entire world. Microsoft is bound by US Law.
  • moofishmoofish Living in Scotland, UK
    I have to say its about time, this whole restricted beta testing things is rediculous. And now I get my hands on it I find there is a whole lot of stuff that I already use with FF. The only noticable thing I liked was the ease of which to create a new tab by clicking on the small box on the toolbar.

    Other wise its really bare, where is the added functionality, where are the extensions?! It's because of these that FF runs rings around this release. What about sync-ing my bookmarks with Del.icio.us like I can with FF, what about mouse gesture like dragging a link down to open it in a new tab, PDF stopper to stop pdf links from openening, flash stopper too!!

    You'll have to trawl the top 10 list of extensions for FF to get close to it with IE, But I think you should concentrate on stuff not yet done because right now its so obvious that you've copied everyone.

    Gripes:

    1. The handy hover save option of IE6 is gone, I used to miss it but found the extension "downThemall" to be infinately better (it downloads all images from a website with just a single click!),

    2. MS goes on about security, I feel safe with FF and its not in my face.

    3. Other things like bookmarks, I recently found del.icio.us and its wonderful, thier official extension allows full intergration into FF!! I presume windows live is going to copy this somewhat, well I have it now with delicious, so when are you going to get round to doing it?!

    4. Its now 2006 and what of tagging and meta-data in windows Vista! Christ, I've said this time and again, the internet is THE primary source of new material for ones computer and the need for meta-data to organise the ever increasing amount of pictures/music/video... is vital -- which is why it should be tagged at the point of entry. Thus, why when downloading say an image is vital information like the URL, CURL, the actual file name and publisher etc... not inserted into the EXIF meta-data of the file?!! -- come on!

    Personally I'm so content with FF, believe in it so much now that IE could never lure me back, but to see what others will settle for over something like FF is a shame. As I said extensions are key, with FF it never dates and almost any feature can be changed, its so transparent.


    Samuel, UK
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  • brian.shapirobrian.​shapiro things go on as always
    ShadowChaser wrote:
    Minh wrote:
    BruceMorgan wrote:
    Minh wrote: What information does Phishing Filter send to Microsoft?

    When you use Phishing Filter to check websites automatically or manually, the address of the website you are visiting will be sent to Microsoft, together with some standard information from your computer such as IP address, browser type, and Phishing Filter version number.

    ---

    Now, why does MS want my IP to see if a site is a phishing site or not?

    Think about it for a second.

    All HTTP based traffic includes the IP address.  You can't browse to any website without disclosing your IP. 
     
    The requesting IP address is not used in the evaluation of the site.

    Can we be confirmed that MS is NOT recording my IP?

    Edit: More from the help file--
    Microsoft will not use the information it receives to personally identify you. For more information about what information is sent and how it is used, see the Internet Explorer privacy statement.

    OK. Good. Just that there's a lot of things to be paranoid about lately.


    I agree - I don't believe Microsoft would use this tool for harm, on purpose. Just imagine the bad press!

    My concern is US Law. Microsoft has *NO CHOICE* if the US Government decides to monitor the URLs of every IE user in the entire world. Microsoft is bound by US Law.


    shadowchaser,

    bad press affects elected officials also. too bad our government is corrupt, so we have lack of trust in our elected officials (because of corruption, part of the blame can go back to corporations also).

    i'm not worrying at all personally, i don't believe any widespread harm will happen because of this, there are still enough elements in society that are vigilant against abuse. (still we need to work to make the political process more transparent and open to avoid worries like this.)




  • brian.shapirobrian.​shapiro things go on as always
    moofish,

    the entire favorites system should be tag based, imo (not necssarily killing folders in doing that). maybe they're planning that with the vista version.

    and preferably some way to incorporate some type of live favorites into the UI. i have internet bookmarks on del.icio.us , and in firefox, i can turn that into a link based menu. it still doesn't work that well though, and no firefox extensions really make it work well. but if microsoft can get something like this to work with IE7 then they will have at least one great advantage over firefox.

    it would also be nice if the save dialog box for images and files in general had right there input boxes for the files metadata and tags. hopefully they will work this into Vista common dialog box, and the Vista version of IE.

    im a little disappointed that theyre separating internet explorer from windows explorer interface wise (no more folder sidebar for instance) because ithought it was a good bedrock. im also disappointed some of the changes mean killing the idea of a search sidebar, which was not implented in the best way but could be improved to be.

    and i'll restate, i find aesthetic problems with parts of the interface and the icons, which is a problem i have with vista too.



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  • moofishmoofish Living in Scotland, UK
    try installing the 'foxylicious' extension, its replaces bookmarks with your delicious tags, and its linked based - its an excellent combo.

    I have been in contact with the developers of the downThemAll extension trying to get them to insert their 'renaming features' into the meta-data of the file. Currently it will auto insert stuff like the CURL/URL into the file name but windows cannot accept characters like "/" which URL's use so if I wanted to go back to the site I would have to spend a lot of time filling in all the "/", "%" etc...

    They agreed and hopefully will switch to using EXIF/meta-data, but the key is "automation" it should just get all of if for you, a single click can net me 100 images form a webpage (and not just the rubbish thumbnails, but the original big pic), imagine tagging those.

    There is some software that apparently is good at telling backgrounds from people and even peoples faces, its online based and a gig takes about 1h to process of something, some kind of flikr competitor -- but its invite only.

    Anyway, I can see this being implemented into FF way before IE so I say its time to pick-up the pace or let others help.

    Samuel, UK
  • MinhMinh WOOH!  WOOH!
    ShadowChaser wrote:

    My concern is US Law. Microsoft has *NO CHOICE* if the US Government decides to monitor the URLs of every IE user in the entire world. Microsoft is bound by US Law.

    Hopefully MS doesn't lose sight of a really important law, the 4th Amendment:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    ... until we've got our current mess cleaned up, we need some of our corporate citizens to have a conscience.

  • DigitalDud wrote:
    intelman wrote:

    As little as it sounds, I like the new icons in IE7. Although they missed one major icon, the autoscroll icon.



    Well, it is the standard icon you see all throughout Windows (Notepad, etc) and not specific to IE.


    Actually, IE uses its own autoscroll image.  Look closely at the image used by IE and other apps (Notepad) and they are slightly different.  This should be a quick fix.

    In general, I've noticed that many of the icons within the IE DLLs have been updated--even some icons which I'm not sure where or if they're actually displayed.  Good job.
  • JonathonWCannot​Resolve​Symbol Microsoft: Who do you want to execute today?

    Hmm... got me looking into the DLLs just out of curiosity...

    Question:  why are not only all the XP IE6 toolbar icons there but also all the Windows 2000/98 style toolbar icons there as well?  Just curious.

  • sushovandesushovande Smiley Face Sharp
    Has ANYONE else noticed that it is WINDOWS internet explorer, and not MICROSOFT internet explorer? WHY? Even the graphic in ieframe.dll says Windows Internet Explorer!
  • I want to know why this is being disabled? cross-domain scripting

    I am fairly certain you received the info for your corrections to the buffer and heap overflows directly from MOTZILAL inc.  ANYWAYS, is there more details on this.  I was planning on using them for my new web sites.  If your telling me that they are no good for people who update their browsers I am gonna have a problem.


    Secondly, is there a specific page on any microsoft server that has the ie7 policy for ssl?
  • IT IS
  • dnrfandnrfan It's .NET

    Downloaded and tried to run IE7 on Server 2003 R2, and the silly monkey doesn't run.

    [6]

  • Winston Pang wrote:
    This is really nice!

    Just got it installed

    I think it's still a little sluggish in many areas, but i'm sure you guys will iron that out.


    I'm glad you find it sluggish too, I find it sluggish as well! I do hope it is ironed out, and IE7 becomes one of the fastest browsers all around.
  • A few hours ago I tried the IE7 beta2, but I won't be replacing Firefox with that. It seemed to do something really screwey with the interface (presumably because I use WindowBlinds). also, for some random reason, it changed the Outlook font to ClearType. I'll try it again once the RTM is available.
  • iowintiowint iowint
    hi,
    though th question is irrelevant to  IE 7,
    i jus wanna know where can 1 submit his / her new idea? th idea of mine is entirely windows file system targetted. if some 1 could get me an answer, it could help me a lot. not jus me but many having lots of ideas but with out an idea to present them.

    to my knowledge i jus found th MS hongkong site having a link to submit new ideas, but i doubt that site is active since i am confused with its UI design and its response to idea submission.

    iowint
  • RichieRichie Richie
    My question is this...
    
    Is 'LINK'ing a stylesheet required before 'IMPORT'ing another for successful 
    hovering?
    
    I have a problem which cropped up with the introduction of IE 7 Beta 2...
    
    ALL the hovering on my web site doesn't work in IE 7 B2 ! ! !
    
    I'm not looking for a solution... I'm asking if there is some REQUIREMENT 
    for linking stylesheets before subsequently importing others...
    
    this works in IE 7 B2...
    
    http://Sandbox.SeaPlusPlus.net/hover.html
    
    this doesn't in IE 7 B2...
    
    http://Sandbox.SeaPlusPlus.net/nohover.html
    
    The difference in the two is I've commmented out the line...
    
    <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="css/xreaderbasic.css" />
    
    This stylesheet, redundantly, specifies a subset of the the 'a:' stuff that 
    exists in the 'IMPORT'ed stylesheet.
    
    Thank you...
    
    Rich 
    
  • I have been running IE7.0 Beta 2 Preview since it was release. Great Job. IE 7.0 ROCKS!Cool

    I have one question. I have the Enable FTP folder view checked in the intenet properties advance tab but the folder view is not displayed. Any suggestions.
  • Looks as if IE7 is getting there, however, as we all know alot of the features have already been expressed by competitors such as Firefox ad Opera.

    If microsoft have held back the development and thus the release of IE7 to coinside with the release of Vista, i think they could be behind the times, maybe strugling to win over the important majority that have already accostomed to FF + Opera.

     

    ILMV (I now realise IE7 should have a spell checker Tongue Out)

  • vishalraovishalrao Vishal Rao
    What's that new/upcoming/pending SSL cert industry standard mentioned by the Dev Lead (Venkat Kudlur?) about 33m:00s into the video? (Sounded like "Advanced Policy Cert")

    Is it related to/same as the "Enhanced Validation Certs" mentioned on this IE blog ?

    Is it going to be a Cert Policies extension (new OID?) as mentioned on Frank Hecker's blog

    Got links to any standards/drafts out there?

    PS: Bruce Schneier tries IE7 Beta2 Preview Big Smile

  • Downloaded the beta, but it crashes on every launch.
  • tested IE 7, seems that the integration of IE and Windows Explorer is broken, when I typed a local drive letter in the address bar of IE7, it launches another Windows Explorer window instead of displaying the drive content embeded in IE's view. is this something expected for the new protected mode in IE7?

  • KobiashviliKobiashvili Searching for the 'ANY' key
    Good work! I'm sure IE7 final release will be very user-friendly and I see that Beta gets better day by day!
  • Good work on usability issues and some nice improvements in the backend too. I also like it that finally it seems, IE will get seperated from the local file explorer. Smiley

    Unfortunately, there is still a lot to be done with regard to standards compliance and getting the rendering engine up to date. Expressionless
  • when do we see a beta 3 video as its now out.

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