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Niners on 9: Littleguru, Zeus and JasonOlson

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Who are the people behind the C9 handles and avatars? Why did they join Channel 9? What do they do on Channel 9? What do they like and dislike about C9?

These are some of the questions that I got a chance ask at TechED 2007 Developer where I ran into a few Niners attending the event in Barcelona. We talked a bit about V4 and their favorite features in V3 (that will also be in V4). The dev team is working really, really hard to build a high quality next version of C9 that does not reuse any of the current code base, yet maintains the current featureset. It's a very hard problem, but our great dev team (Duncan Mackenzie, Erik Porter, Mike Sampson, David Shadle and Grace Francisco) are making great progress!

Tune in. Meet Littleguru, Zeus and JasonOlson.

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  • Árni Gunnar RagnarssonZeus Why is the caption missing??
    Whoa ... TechEd was awesome ...
  • Agreed. Having been to both Tech Ed US and Tech Ed Europe now, I must say that Tech Ed Europe was WAY better, no comparison.
  • mejamie Niner since 2004
    that was great!

    this should be in coffeehouse...

    hmmm
  • MinhMinh WOOH!  WOOH!
    Zeus, you don't look anything like your avatar Smiley
  • evildictaitorevildictait​or Devil's advocate
    Yeah. I am absolutely 100% with Jason on the Going Deep videos. They should make one a day, and make them even more technical.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    You wanna know the coolest person that I met at TechEd: JASON!!! he rocks the house! and I was like death after meeting him. His hugs nearly killed me! Wink
  • littleguru wrote:
    You wanna know the coolest person that I met at TechEd: JASON!!! he rocks the house! and I was like death after meeting him. His hugs nearly killed me!


    Well, you're so small. A hug from a squirrel would practically kill you Tongue Out.

    What can I say, I'm a total whacko! That will really show on the video interview that LittleGuru did with me for Channel 8. I just know it was nice to finally "be myself" around another Niner. Because I am _completely_ different in person Smiley.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    CompGuy101 wrote:
    LittleGuru, if you're a student how are you able to attend this function?


    The Microsoft Student Partner (ignore the flash when the website opens - it is going away) program is the key. The best one in there (75 in total in Europe) got a ticket to TechEd. We got the entry for free - I did also like 25 interviews for Channel 8 there. So I actually worked also there. I had to pay my hotel and the flight, but they are cheap these days.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    CompGuy101 wrote:
     Sweet.

    That site is a bit deceiving though. It says US peeps can be a student partner yet the US isn't on the list of countries to apply.

    Weird.


    This website is going to be better in the future... the student partner program is very new. It's only available since a few years... Send an e-mail to msp-help@microsoft.com to get more information about the program in your country. They will forward you to the people that you need to contact!
  • Árni Gunnar RagnarssonZeus Why is the caption missing??
    Minh wrote:
    Zeus, you don't look anything like your avatar
    Really ... is that a compliment or what ?

    Wink
  • It's nice to put some faces and voices to the names and avatars!
  • nice video Smiley
  • Zian Choyzian Exploding heads since 1988
    littleguru wrote:
    
    CompGuy101 wrote:
     Sweet.

    That site is a bit deceiving though. It says US peeps can be a student partner yet the US isn't on the list of countries to apply.

    Weird.


    This website is going to be better in the future... the student partner program is very new. It's only available since a few years... Send an e-mail to msp-help@microsoft.com to get more information about the program in your country. They will forward you to the people that you need to contact!


    Thanks for explaining the program, littleguru. I don't know if CompGuy101 has e-mailed the program yet but I have and I'll post an update once I get a response.
  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    evildictaitor wrote:
    Yeah. I am absolutely 100% with Jason on the Going Deep videos. They should make one a day, and make them even more technical.


    One a day? That's a bit much... Deeper? What does that mean, exactly?

    Glad you like Going Deep. I started this show when I was still a C9 dev and I used to primarily only do Going Deeps (and Scoble did the product stuff). Rory didn't work out (sadly). If we could find the right person to do Channel 9 with me, well, I could concentrate on deepness and innovation exclusively.

    Why isn't Jeff getting more resumes? This is the one of the best jobs in the world if you're

    1) Curious and Creative
    2) Not shy, a go-getter
    3) Technical (a former dev would be ideal, in my opinion)
    4) Can engage in real conversation
    5) Motivated and Passionate about technology, development platforms and tools, understanding how things work, why things are designed the way they are, and, very importantly, showcasing who makes them.

    C
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    Charles, I would apply, if I wouldn't have to do my university first. Really! I love doing such stuff: you get to know a lot of people and it's really funny to chat with them.

    Deeper would probably mean more technical stuff, like even dive deeper in the kernel or the technology you are talking about. Question is always how far you can go without need of censuring the video...
  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    More windows kernel stuff is upcoming, though much of it has already been talked about in previous episodes of GD.... At some point, talking about registers and process scheduling can only happen so many times. That said, I recently had a conversation with Mark Russinovich where he digs into the latest server kernel and associated technologies (like HyperV). Stay tuned.

    I interviewed a CS professor yesterday (IT University of Copenhagen) and the conversation is quite deep and .NET programmers who yearn for very powerful collection constructs will be most pleased....

    C
  • Sven GrootSven Groot Don't worry... I'm a doctor.

    Ok, now I'm embarassed. Embarassed

    Yes, I like doing my PhD here, so I'm sorry I won't be working for MS for a while.

    As for coming to events... hold one in Tokyo and I'll be there. Tongue Out

  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    zian wrote:
    Thanks for explaining the program, littleguru. I don't know if CompGuy101 has e-mailed the program yet but I have and I'll post an update once I get a response.


    More information on the program:

    What is the Microsoft Student Partners (MSP) programme?

    The Microsoft Student Partner Programme recognises top young minds from around the UK who are passionate about technology. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to develop real-world skills to help you succeed in your future career, to help others learn about the technology of today and tomorrow, and to connect with other like-minded students, all whilst having a ton of fun along the way.

    The programme is our way of encouraging students who are interested in building a closer relationship with Microsoft, and those who are simply hooked on technology, to develop their skills further. This year's programme will officially run from June 2007 to May 2007.


    What is an MSP?

    The Microsoft Student Partner programme consists of the brightest and most innovative student developers and technology enthusiasts from universities around the world.

    The ‘ideal candidate’ for an MSP would be a passionate and enthusiast individual who wants to learn about new tools and technologies. You would need to have a whole range of skills including excellent time management, organisation and communication skills to ensure that you could host a successful campus launch event.

    An MSP should be comfortable and confident presenting in front of large audiences of both students and faculty members. You may even be asked to present in front of your fellow MSPs at an event. General business and sales skills come in very handy in order to allow you to articulate your ideas effectively when presenting.   

    MSPs are social able, friendly and approachable individuals who like to meet new people. You will require the ability work as a team as well as use your own initiative. In summary, MSPs are innovative and creative students who are extremely passionate about technology.



    ATTENTION: this is taken from the website of the UK program! It's only in English that's why I post it here. The program is very similar in all other countries.

    If you want apply please check out the www.student-partners.com or write an e-mail to the handle that I posted above.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    Charles wrote:
    More windows kernel stuff is upcoming, though much of it has already been talked about in previous episodes of GD.... At some point, talking about registers and process scheduling can only happen so many times. That said, I recently had a conversation with Mark Russinovich where he digs into the latest server kernel and associated technologies (like HyperV). Stay tuned.

    I interviewed a CS professor yesterday (IT University of Copenhagen) and the conversation is quite deep and .NET programmers who yearn for very powerful collection constructs will be most pleased....

    C


    It's actually probably not only kernel related. If you have somebody explaining a technology - let's call it techX - than the techX should be explained in great detail. Like why has techX been developed as it is right now. How is it put together internally. What are the key components inside techX. Why is techX designed in that way. What were the most complex design decisions in techX. something like that...

    I'm really looking forward to the interview with the prof!
  • Iain Rae LennoxSkriker V1.0 Need more money...
    Awsome video, need to get more of the regular niners on camera Wink
  • William Staceystaceyw Before C# there was darkness...
    Hey Lil-G.  Got you beat by 2 days on start date Wink.  Jason got me beat by couple months. Nice seeing yall.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    staceyw wrote:
    Hey Lil-G.  Got you beat by 2 days on start date .  Jason got me beat by couple months. Nice seeing yall.


    damn... Tongue Out
  • littleguru wrote:
    
    staceyw wrote:
    Hey Lil-G.  Got you beat by 2 days on start date .  Jason got me beat by couple months. Nice seeing yall.


    damn...


    Wow, 2004!! I didn't realize I had been here THAT long Smiley.
  • harumscarumharumscarum out of memory

    Hey Jason we joined the same day...I believe that was the day it appeared on /.

    Nice video.

     

  • I guess the "shy" part is preventing people from applying for a job on c9. having more niners in videos like this might show some of them that there is no need to be shy.

    I would have suggested little guru immediately, but I can understand that he needs to focus on his education.

    perhaps c9 could have a sub conference on any of the next big events. that way more niners could try there face on camera.

    I am sure charles would appreciate getting some assistence, it sometimes seems like he is pulling the cart all by himself, which is certainly romantic for a time, but becomes very exhausting very fast. I know, I've been there, many times...


    little guru: hey, how do you like vienna? Smiley
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    Apogeum wrote:
    little guru: hey, how do you like vienna?


    Vienna is cool Smiley Although during the Winter term it is WAY to much grey for me. This year is better because of the stop in Barcelona: grey vienna, blue sunny Barca, grey vienna ... Smiley way better if you can escape it for a while.

    Are you located in Vienna aswell?
  • I love the Going Deep videos! Smiley
  • guegue
    Hey there , Charles,
    here´s my update (MY POV) for you:

    This video in case: Almost entirely hot air and self praise, 277MB of wasted bandwidth and 15 min of wasted time. Could have been done in coupla 100 bytes of text. (the blog link) Actually: the video discription IS the WHOLE content.

    Generally speaking:
    Originally GREAT idea, but you´re falling way behind others in terms of effort (huge download) / gain (hot air) ratio.

    The download size (effort for 877MB!!!) / content + time spent ratio for "VC++ 2008 and beyond" may be even worse. This is even too thin for a commute in heavy traffic that needs attention.

    Recently I downloaded a 30 min 3sat show which fit in 70MB (!!!). Superb technical quality at 320x240 with full video fps in h.264 (MPEG4 AVC) for the iPod!!!

    Greetings
    G.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    gue wrote:
    This video in case: Almost entirely hot air and self praise, 277MB of wasted bandwidth and 15 min of wasted time. Could have been done in coupla 100 bytes of text. (the blog link) Actually: the video discription IS the WHOLE content.

    Generally speaking:
    Originally GREAT idea, but you´re falling way behind others in terms of effort (huge download) / gain (hot air) ratio.


    I guess you didn't get the point of the video. It is about the community etc. It's not about the technology at all. Smiley

    gue wrote:

    The download size (effort for 877MB!!!) / content + time spent ratio for "VC++ 2008 and beyond" may be even worse. This is even too thin for a commute in heavy traffic that needs attention.

    Recently I downloaded a 30 min 3sat show which fit in 70MB (!!!). Superb technical quality at 320x240 with full video fps in h.264 (MPEG4 AVC) for the iPod!!!


    Nice to know that you are from Germany Smiley You have also to understand that the 70 MB video was designed to be played on a smaller device.

    It's true that WMV has some overhead and that other technologies might lower the file size! Even the possibility to download it in different resolutions is important. But that is going to come with the v4...
  • littleguru wrote:
    Are you located in Vienna aswell?


    I totally agree. it really is grey. I got a bright light lamp a few years back. it compensates for grey skies.

    yeah Barcelona would have been fun, sadly I couldn't go. Sad

    yes I live in vienna. I really like it, but I am looking forward to a "sunny" break! Smiley


     

  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    gue wrote:
    Hey there , Charles,
    here´s my update (MY POV) for you:

    This video in case: Almost entirely hot air and self praise, 277MB of wasted bandwidth and 15 min of wasted time. Could have been done in coupla 100 bytes of text. (the blog link) Actually: the video discription IS the WHOLE content.

    Generally speaking:
    Originally GREAT idea, but you´re falling way behind others in terms of effort (huge download) / gain (hot air) ratio.

    The download size (effort for 877MB!!!) / content + time spent ratio for "VC++ 2008 and beyond" may be even worse. This is even too thin for a commute in heavy traffic that needs attention.

    Recently I downloaded a 30 min 3sat show which fit in 70MB (!!!). Superb technical quality at 320x240 with full video fps in h.264 (MPEG4 AVC) for the iPod!!!

    Greetings
    G.


    I think I understand what you're trying to say...

    Yeah, the download files are big. Sorry. This will change in V4 where we have multiple video quality selections.

    Hot air is entirely subjective. Channel 9 is not just about bits and bytes and code. The human element is in fact the most important.

    I have to strongly disagree with you that we are falling behind in terms of what we offer (what we have always offered). There is only one Channel 9.

    Thanks for the feedback.
    C
  • guegue

    >I guess you didn't get the point of the video. It is about the community etc. It's not about the technology at all.<

    Servas Gscheada,
    I´m from grey, cold Upper Austria, to be exact.

    I can understand that it´s great for your vanity to see yourself on 9, but again: The whole content is worth the couple of bytes in the text, not more at all. In hindsight I could have easily spared the audio, much more so the video part. If this would apply only to this video, I wouldn´t bother to ask for improvement, but it seems rather by method than chance.

    On this site you never got the slightest idea if the video is worth downloading, or if just the audio would do (no code samples or even whiteboarding at all) or just skimming the text would be worth the effort.

    Problem with this site has been and is that they seem to strive to look / be as unprofessional in as many aspects as possible to get this alternative look and feel.

    >You have also to understand that the 70 MB video was designed to be played on a smaller device.<

    Both videos are in 320x240 and I appreciate that Charles has started these 512Kbs d/ls, but the h.264 one is 70MB and the WMV is 277MB!

    Just watched the again great Anders Hejlsberg PLINQ video and it was worth every single byte of the d/l, though a really well adjusted bit rate, fps, codec,... could have resulted in a much smaller footprint.

    If it wasn´t for those gems I wouldn´t botherto come here again or to make improvement suggestions.
    Greetings
    G.

  • guegue
    Hey Charles,
    thanks again for the almost instantaneous reaction!

    Let me please make one other suggestion: Could you please be a bit more specific in the description re the inclusion of whiteboarding or code samples to help decide if audio is sufficient?!

    Looking forward to V4 and a really scaling C9! (With a competitively priced flat rate from Telecom Austria it doesn´t hurt as much any longer as it did coupla days ago... Wink)
    Thanks
    G.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    gue wrote:
    Looking forward to V4 and a really scaling C9! (With a competitively priced flat rate from Telecom Austria it doesn´t hurt as much any longer as it did coupla days ago... Wink)


    You might also download the "full screen" video with a decent download manager (like FlashGet or similar). The quality is not as good but the file is a lot smaller! I do that very often when I download the file over Chello in Vienna.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    Apogeum wrote:
    I totally agree. it really is grey. I got a bright light lamp a few years back. it compensates for grey skies.

    Yeah Barcelona would have been fun, sadly I couldn't go.

    yes I live in vienna. I really like it, but I am looking forward to a "sunny" break!


    It was quite good the last few days Smiley Where do you live in Vienna? Nice to see Austrian people watching the videos.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    gue wrote:
    >I guess you didn't get the point of the video. It is about the community etc. It's not about the technology at all.<

    Servas Gscheada,
    I´m from grey, cold Upper Austria, to be exact.

    I can understand that it´s great for your vanity to see yourself on 9, but again: The whole content is worth the couple of bytes in the text, not more at all.


    Why are you starting to be personal? Are there any reasons? Or did I missinterpret your "Gscheada"?

    If you really think that the community on Channel 9 doesn't matter then I can't change that. The title of the video says "Niners on 9: ..." and that's what you get when you download the video. Even the description makes it very clear! It's not about technology; it's about community - it's niners about Channel 9, a community interview.

    What did you expect to get by downloading the video?
  • guegue
    >Or did I missinterpret your "Gscheada"?<

    Well, this is not personal, I just see it as a funny expression for our "special" relationship with people in our oversized / Wasserkopf capital. Wink

    >...the description makes it very clear! It's not about technology; it's about community ... What did you expect...?<

    A little content.

    >You might also download the "full screen" video with a decent download manager (like FlashGet or similar). The quality is not as good but the file is a lot smaller!<

    Here we go again. I should know that I can get something SMALLER by downloading the FULL screen video??? (Guess it´s the least bitrate stream!?) Do I really have to have two dozen utils and experiment with them for hours in lack of a decent UI to get things done reasonably?

    Cheers
    G.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    gue wrote:
    >Or did I missinterpret your "Gscheada"?<

    Well, this is not personal, I just see it as a funny expression for our "special" relationship with people in our oversized / Wasserkopf capital. Wink


    OK. I hope you understand that I'm not from Vienna. I only study there...

    Yeah. I know that it is a pain to get a smaller video only for trading it in with a lower bitrate and experimenting. It's not the best situation. I only wanted to point that out for you because I don't know you and don't know what you already tried Smiley I hope you understand that.

    And the video has content. Only not technical content. It is other stuff: community talk, if you want it that way... It is very VERY thin from the technical standpoint, that's true. Btw. it doesn't matter if I'm in there or somebody else - there was another community video before this one - it's only cool to connect some avatars with real persons. For some people that's something that matters, for some it isn't. But I think it is good to have 2 or 3 (or even 10) community videos in between the other 1300+ videos! I can't find anything wrong with that... or how would you wanted us to do this? Chat in front of a white board about how we implement feature X in software Z?

    I really appreciate your feedback. I don't know if you know that I'm also doing some stuff for Channel 8 and I want these interviews to be also good for students in technology!
  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change

    gue,

    I like the idea of making it obvious if the interview contains whitebaording or code. Usually, not always, I provide preview images with whiteboard or code-on-screen should either have happened in the interview. I'll make a point of stating it in the text as well. Good idea.

    C

  • littleguru wrote:
    It was quite good the last few days Where do you live in Vienna? Nice to see Austrian people watching the videos.


    yes! and I've been sick for a week now LOL. actually I live not very far from TU. though I've never been there myself, I'm autodidact.
  • guegue
    >I like the idea of making it obvious if the interview contains whitebaording or code. Usually, not always, I provide preview images with whiteboard or code-on-screen should either have happened in the interview.<

    Yeah, I have to admit that I realized this fully when reviewing the video overview yesterday - after the discussion got more detailed ("d/l FULL SCREEN to get a SMALLER file") and heated with littleguru.

    >I'll make a point of stating it in the text as well. Good idea.<

    Thanks. It may have taken quite some time, but we´re definitely converging with incremental improvements (and hopefully the big V4 one) and my flat rate.

    Thanks again. C9 DID change MS or at least our perception thereof. Wink
    G.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    It was a pleasure to meet you all guys: Zeus, Charles, Jason, Barry and a lot more. I hope we get more people on the camera during the next year's TechEd! Smiley
  • guegue
    >OK. I hope you understand that I'm not from Vienna. I only study there...<

    Didn´t realize that. So, where are you actually from?

    >Yeah. I know that it is a pain to get a smaller video only for trading it in with a lower bitrate and experimenting.<

    It´s so time consuming.

    Don´t ask me how much time I spent recently to make most of the audio / video mobile.

    Been listening to Webcasts (and a little bit peeking at slides and code samples) on the go regularly for more than a year now.

    I unfold the ancient Sony laptop 180°, put it on the ash tray and fixate it with a rubber band. Hook it up to the car stereo and 12V power supply. Matter of seconds.

    Woulda loved to have the Webcasts (great educational material, bearable marketing slant at times) on the iPod Touch. Code samples are readable at its 480x320 (I tried it and recoded a short VS passage), but recoding 60+ min shows (in MP4 (AVC)) simply is an absolute no-go (timewise).

    Would be great to have C9 videos with code samples in 480x320 MP4 AVC / h.264 for the iPod Touch / iPhone.

    I begun recording the Jay Leno Show with an Archos 605Flash. Can conveniently watch this on the notebook then.

    One can nicely record video on a CMX 1110 (very small form-factor), but the OS is BS (no way to resume a video after standby!!!,...), the audio-in impedance is way off and the audio track is not recognized by WiMP as it is coded in some ancient ACPCM instead of MP3. Found out that VLC can play it, but then hue is off.

    Would be great to have C9 videos with whiteboarding in 320x240 MP4 AVC / h.264 for the iPod Video / Nano 3G too.

    Generally I´m trying to move shows to the car / bike where audio is sufficient to safe time for Webcasts at the office where it is often beneficial or necessary to review / try (code) passages.

    Carl Franklin has been having great technical quality and format choice for YEARS now and most shows do have sufficient content.

    >I really appreciate your feedback. I don't know if you know that I'm also doing some stuff for Channel 8 and I want these interviews to be also good for students in technology!<

    As this whole video thing wasn´t viable for me before I got a real flat rate only on Saturday I didn´t pay attention to other Channels,... so far, but I will check out many such things soon now.

    Hope you can see now why it angers me when some sites / videos seem to be way off or it takes them ages to get there. No personal flames intended.
    Cheers
    G.
  • guegue
    While I have you here (again) really listening <g>, - two other suggestions are buried in a lengthy post to littleguru:

    Would be great to have C9 videos with code samples in 480x320 MP4 AVC / h.264 for the iPod Touch / iPhone.

    ...with whiteboarding in 320x240 MP4 AVC / h.264 for the iPod Video / Nano 3G.

    Can I begin to hold my breath for all that (in V4)?
    <g>
    G.
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    No worries gue! The Channel 9 team is small and your feedback will reach them! Have you had the chance to take a look at Edge: it is building upon the new framework (attention this framework is still beta!) you will see that you get a few more formats to download. That's what (if not even more) is coming with version 4 of Channel 9.

    Btw. if you want to contribute to the next Channel 9 version, you could also use the Beta feedback forum here on Channel 9! Tell there what you want to be added to the new version. People from the dev team are in there and answer questions!

    As for the matter of me: I'm from Südtirol, but I have also family in upper Austria (near Schärding) - my grandgrandparents moved to upper Austria but my grandmother stood here. Smiley
  • guegue

    Sooo, this is getting rreally interesting and funny after a bit of a negative start. <s>

    >I'm from Südtirol, but I have also family in upper Austria (near Schärding) - my grandgrandparents moved to upper Austria but my grandmother stood here.<

    If you ever went from Vienna to Schärding by train you possibly had to switch trains in Neumarkt-Kallham. That´s where I live. <g>

    >Re Edge: ...you get a few more formats to download. That's what (if not even more) is coming with version 4 of Channel 9.<

    Okaaay, this is getting even better. Just downloaded some fodder for my iPods.
    BTW: On the Edge home the top right iPod and even Zune <g> links are dead.

    Remains to be added there, as i said earlier: The Touch would even qualify for VS-casts at 480x320!!! <g>

    And: Almost a year ago I bought a Sony K800i which is still waiting to do more than calling (old) girls. <g> 3GP at 320x240

    With that said I still have to carry the K800, watch and iPod on the right arm. Subnote in the backpack.

    I want my iGlasses NOW! Did you ever try myvu?

    Just managed to open C8 and 10, but gotta run (for some volleyball) now!
    Cheers
    G.

  • Barry Andrew HallPace What do you see?
    How do you find your start date? I remember joining C9 after reading about it in Septembers Issue of MSDN back in 2004 (vol 19, no 9) {end bracket} would just be interested to see when it was :- )
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    Pace wrote:
    How do you find your start date? I remember joining C9 after reading about it in Septembers Issue of MSDN back in 2004 (vol 19, no 9) {end bracket} would just be interested to see when it was :- )


    it's in your profile:
    Joined:
    Wed, Sep 29, 2004
  • Barry Andrew HallPace What do you see?
    littleguru wrote:
    
    Pace wrote:
    How do you find your start date? I remember joining C9 after reading about it in Septembers Issue of MSDN back in 2004 (vol 19, no 9) {end bracket} would just be interested to see when it was :- )


    it's in your profile:
    Joined:
    Wed, Sep 29, 2004


    So it is! Blimey, thanks littleguru Smiley
  • Interesting video. Big Smile

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