Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/previewImages/100/249322_100x75.jpg Channel 9 - Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team C# team members Shon Katzenberger, Scott Wiltamuth, Todd Proebsting, Erik Meijer, Peter Hallam, Anders Hejlsberg, and Peter Sollich were recently awarded a Technical Recognition Award for Outstanding Technical Achievement for their work on the C# language. This award is particularly meaningful to the recipients as it is awarded by their technical peers. It's quite an honor. Here we talk about the award, what it means, and then dig into the history, present and future of C#. We also dig into LINQ (why did we add it to the language? Does dynamic construct additions to imperative languages pollute the language? What does LINQ really mean in the context of the evolution of C#? The answers herein will surprise you, if you haven't thought hard about it already...)Enjoy and Happy Birthday, Niners!!! en Wed, 22 May 2013 01:19:04 GMT Wed, 22 May 2013 01:19:04 GMT Rev9 Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team posted by littleguru

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633114929340000000 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:48:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633114929340000000 littleguru Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team

(btw woho Anders is Danish Big Smile )

Happy Birthday c9:D

posted by swiatecki

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633114932600000000 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:54:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633114932600000000 swiatecki Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team

Thx.

posted by RoyalSchrubber

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633114940920000000 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:08:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633114940920000000 RoyalSchrubber Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team Now if we get an update from the VB Team, this will be even more interesting.

Thanks for this, Charles. You Rock!

posted by SecretSoftware

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633114969170000000 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:55:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633114969170000000 SecretSoftware Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team I'm really happy you enjoyed this. I know I did! I have a completely new perspective of LINQ and related language "atoms" and "molecules". It's always a humbling and honorable experience to be able to have conversations with some of the best and brightest minds in the industry. I'm so thankful for Channel 9 and the incredible community of Niners.

Happy birthday to you all.

C

posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633115090280000000 Sat, 07 Apr 2007 02:17:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633115090280000000 Charles Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team I'm deeply envious of you Charles for being able to fire questions at these folks. One imagines that if you where to have a 'heat map' displaying computer language and tool innovations in geographic terms then Redmond right now would be a burning bright blue-white spot on said map.

Innovation in language and associated tools is what keeps me so loyal to Windows. No other platform touches it. Much as I love the shell in Vista I find that DevEnv and increasingly PowerShell are really my 'desktop' these days.

Happy birthday to the team and kudos and thanks to all involved.

posted by tomkirbygreen

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633115253240000000 Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:48:44 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633115253240000000 tomkirbygreen Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team
Great video and great conversation, thanks Smiley

posted by Cyonix

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633115266980000000 Sat, 07 Apr 2007 07:11:38 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633115266980000000 Cyonix Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team
Keep on posting,
C, i mean I Smiley

posted by Ion Todirel

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633115503460000000 Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:45:46 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633115503460000000 Ion Todirel Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team posted by staceyw

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633116455890000000 Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:13:09 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633116455890000000 staceyw Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team I would like to point out that Anders Hejlsberg made a little mistake when he was talking about the multi-core stuff. He said “we are coming to a point where there is a fundamental change in Moore’s Law, it’s not going to go away, but it’s going to change in that it’s not going to give us faster CPUs anymore, it’s going to give us more CPUs”. While it is a fact that we are coming to the point that CPU’s are not getting faster, Moore’s Law didn’t refer to the speed of the CPU’s it referred to the numbers of transistors on an integrated circuit. While this in the past has translated into faster CPU’s, now Moore’s Law continues to apply but instead of a faster single CPU with get more transistors in a multi-core CPU that runs at a speed that hasn’t increased as before.

But beside that little mistake the video is great.

posted by Pablo Z

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633116644570000000 Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:27:37 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633116644570000000 Pablo Z Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team
Pablo Z wrote:


I would like to point out that Anders Hejlsberg made a little mistake when he was talking about the multi-core stuff. He said “we are coming to a point where there is a fundamental change in Moore’s Law, it’s not going to go away, but it’s going to change in that it’s not going to give us faster CPUs anymore, it’s going to give us more CPUs”. While it is a fact that we are coming to the point that CPU’s are not getting faster, Moore’s Law didn’t refer to the speed of the CPU’s it referred to the numbers of transistors on an integrated circuit. While this in the past has translated into faster CPU’s, now Moore’s Law continues to apply but instead of a faster single CPU with get more transistors in a multi-core CPU that runs at a speed that hasn’t increased as before.

But beside that little mistake the video is great.

I'm sorry but I don't see the mistake...

There is nothing incorrect with his statement: The output of Moore's Law used to be faster CPUs, now it's more CPU cores.

His not talking about what makes Moore's Law his talking about what Moore's Law "gave us".

It would indeed be nice to correct a man such as Anders, but I don't think you have.

posted by Cyonix

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633116843190000000 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:58:39 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633116843190000000 Cyonix Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team
Also, I don’t feel any better or worse for correcting a small little mistake in the way that Anders expressed the future and Moore’s Law, because doing that doesn’t make me any better or worse.

posted by Pablo Z

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633117185870000000 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:29:47 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633117185870000000 Pablo Z Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team
Cyonix wrote:

Pablo Z wrote: 

I would like to point out that Anders Hejlsberg made a little mistake when he was talking about the multi-core stuff. He said “we are coming to a point where there is a fundamental change in Moore’s Law, it’s not going to go away, but it’s going to change in that it’s not going to give us faster CPUs anymore, it’s going to give us more CPUs”. While it is a fact that we are coming to the point that CPU’s are not getting faster, Moore’s Law didn’t refer to the speed of the CPU’s it referred to the numbers of transistors on an integrated circuit. While this in the past has translated into faster CPU’s, now Moore’s Law continues to apply but instead of a faster single CPU with get more transistors in a multi-core CPU that runs at a speed that hasn’t increased as before.

But beside that little mistake the video is great.
I'm sorry but I don't see the mistake...

There is nothing incorrect with his statement: The output of Moore's Law used to be faster CPUs, now it's more CPU cores.

His not talking about what makes Moore's Law his talking about what Moore's Law "gave us".

It would indeed be nice to correct a man such as Anders, but I don't think you have.

This is actually kinda interresting. We only just moved to 65nm chips(Where AMD just only just recently did this step), intel have been doing for some time.
The smaller circuits, the more you can put in a chip. This allows greater speed.
While i do think we will be moving to quad core soon, i still see that there will be GREAT room for faster cpu's.
Last year IBM managed to print 29,9NM chips(Which is substansial smaller then the current chips we got, allows for great speed improvements), using deep-ultraviolet. While this is now possible, its also supposed to be very expensive.
The problem isn't actually the clock speed of the CPU, its actually the heat. We dont have any sufficent way to cool down the cpu, when we get up to these high speds. The faster it runs, the more electricity it takes. And we know that electricity = heat.
So what we see now is that we use many CPU's in 1 chip.

Please take a read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

posted by Chadk

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633117348370000000 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:00:37 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Outstanding-Technical-Achievement-C-Team#c633117348370000000 Chadk Re: Outstanding Technical Achievement: C# Team
Who would not want to be called a COOL programmer?

Microsoft Marketing blew this one big time. Wink

Purity is for academics. LINQ is for expressive developers.

Great video.

Cool

PS. Big believer in taking and circulating notes of meetings.

posted by raymond

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posted by cac

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