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Soma, Carol Grojean, Jeff Beehler: Visual Studio 2008 RTM!!!

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Today is the day: Visual Studio 2008 RTM is here!!! Our good friend and Developer Division VP S. Somasegar (Soma), Principal Group Program Manager Carol Grojean and Principal Program Manager Lead Jeff Beehler sit down with me to discuss this paramount VS release. Did you know that Team System was heavily used during the development of VS 2008 (and therefore VS2008 Team System. This is great dogfooding!)?

VS 2008 was completely built using the patterns and pratices derived from MQ (Milestone Quality - see Carol's interview that covers this in detail) and Intentional Engineering (see Emma Williams' interview to learn all Intentional Engineering in the Developer Division).

This is the best release of VS to date, rife with innovations from profound IDE enhancements, debugging, performance, CLR to associated languages and tools.

Today is a great day! Smiley Tune in and celebrate with some of the DevDiv leaders. Congratulations to all involved, especially to those of you out there who provided valuable feedback and suggestions all along the way to this grand milestone.

Cheers!

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  • Good news, if you let us know when we can download it on MSDN it would be fantastic news.
  • JugJug
    Congrats on a job well done! Smiley

    MSDN seem to be struggling at the moment, or at least it was just hours ago, and I doubt our subscription covers Team Suite and not just Pro, which isn't out yet, so I may just take a look at the 90 day trial. By that time, the smoke from this will no doubt have cleared (probably just within days really), and the nice thing is that I can just keep working on projects I created with that version when we get the real thing. So thanks for also providing the trial copies.
  • Charles' link is a redirect link from Microsoft's Outlook Web Access server. Here is the direct link: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/default.aspx
  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    nojetlag wrote:
    Good news, if you let us know when we can download it on MSDN it would be fantastic news.


    I provided the link to the bits on MSDN in the post description... Here it is again: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/default.aspx

    C
  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    Thanks, JChung. Fixed...
    C
  • Christian Liensbergerlittleguru <3 Seattle
    Nice to see it RTMed Smiley Let the Visual Studio Shell fun begin Big Smile
  • Alexei PavlovBlackTiger If you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.
    Seems like Akamai Download Manager doesn't works in IE7 on Vista...

    When normal MSDN Subscriber's links will be available?
  • Yea, in order to get it to work with IE7 in Vista you have to disable the popup blocker for the site.  It is very annoying.

    Also, since it is an ActiveX control it runs in IE7's "Protected Mode".  So it the download will end up being located in the virtualized hard drive space IE7 creates for security.  That is why you received the prompt about saving the file to temporary internet files.
  • Vesuviusvesuvius Count Orlock
    It's exactly two years (give or take a few days) since I downloaded C# Express and converted (Proselyte) from C++.

    In those two years the rate of change and progression within the language and Visual Studio technologies make it a beyond exiting time to be developing .NET software.

    Congratulations, and very well done!
  • Jonathan MerriweatherCyonix Me
    Congrats guys
  • Martin Ennemosermawcc Make it so
    Congratulations to all involved!

    One thing I noticed though during setup of .NET Framework 3.5: It takes ages to install. I'm on the second machine right now, and so far installation takes up to 30min for the runtime alone.
  • DCMonkeyDCMonkey What?!?
    BlackTiger wrote:
    Seems like Akamai Download Manager doesn't works in IE7 on Vista...

    When normal MSDN Subscriber's links will be available?


    Works for me.*

    Not that the initial experience was that good. I had to disable the popup blocker for that site. It wouldn't save to my downloads folder on another drive It popped up some ancient stone age file save dialog box, and it immediately said it had saved the file to my temporary internet files and asked if I wanted to open that folder. I eventually figured out it was probably referring to some stub file listing the downloads to be "managed" and not the actual download.

    Once I got past all that the actual download seems to be proceeding at a reasonable pace.

    *Edit: I take that back. This Akamai cr*p is an f*ing joke on Vista. When it asks you if you want to open the temporary internet files folder, DO IT!. If you don't, you'll spend the next half hour trying to figure out where it put your f*ing download (navigating there afterwards wasn't showing the Vistualized folder). I finally found it by starting another download and answering yes to open the folder and there it was.

    If, as the FAQ says, one of the reasons for using Akamai for Top Downloads is to "evaluate alternatives", then I say the evaluation= FAIL.

    This piss-poor experience has really put a damper on my excitement. Hopefully I'll perk up a bit when I install VS2008 later tonight.

    PS: I know this probably isn't the VS team's fault but that of the MSDN people. Congrats on shipping. I'm looking forward to using VS2008!
  • Quite excited for this release.  If it shaves my 5-10 VS restarts down a bit I'll be happy. Perplexed
  • SecretSoftwareSecret​Software Code to live, but Live to code.
    Thanks for Visual Studio 2008!!!!

    I think MS was able to give us the most per-formant IDE since vs6 time.

    Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks. Smiley


    Can we get a showcase of all the new features?

    The Visual Studio 2008 Week? to see the new innovations right from the devs?

    I am so happy with Visual Studio 2008. Its really cool, Especially with the long awaited LINQ.


    Hip hip hurray, Developer Division and MS.
  • PerfectPhasePerfectPhase "This is not war, this is pest control!" - Dalek to Cyberman
    SecretSoftware wrote:
    
    Can we get a showcase of all the new features?


    Have a look here
     
    http://channel9.msdn.com/Showforum.aspx?forumid=38&tagid=7
  • Allan LindqvistaL_ Kinect ftw

    grats Big Smile

    vs2008 is awsome Smiley .net3.5 is even more awsome Big Smile im going to nag my boss silly until he buys it for everyone at work Big Smile

  • Alexei PavlovBlackTiger If you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.
    Ok. Downloading...

    But... No MSDN library for VS2008?
  • William Staceystaceyw Before C# there was darkness...
    So happy.  Thanks for RTM Smiley  Clearing space now so I can install.
  • BlackTiger wrote:
    Ok. Downloading...

    But... No MSDN library for VS2008?

    It was an option to download during the installation for the Express Editions.  I can't imagine it being unavailable for the Standard, Professional, and Team System editions.  Perhaps it is available as a separate MSDN download?
  • Amazing, this IDE just keeps getting more powerful. Congrats to your team.

    1.  Will 2005 Express editions remain available for download and for how long?

    2.  Is pricing the same? Can I upgrade from 2005 Standard to 2008 Pro for the upgrade price?

    3.  Will retail purchase be only available after the February launch?

    4.  Any other minor features dropped in 2008 apart from J#?

    5.  All websites will be updated soon or after the launch? I would like a detailed comparison table for editions, more detailed than the one for VS 2005. Is developing a Windows service for example not available yet in Standard edition?

    6.  Are there ANY plans for servicing .NET 1.1 SP1?

  • Yes hereit is!

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6ff3bc60-32c8-4c22-8591-a20bf8dff1a2&DisplayLang=en

    Full DVD image! Good thing that MS has stopped posting CD images.
  • bitdisasterbitdisaster Nokia Developer Ambassador
    Congrats to the team!!!
    Good job.

    section31



  • Does anybody know whether the BCL source code can be retrieved from the Express-edition of Visual C#? Is the source code even available yet?

  • BasBas It finds lightbulbs.
    Congrats, you guys!
  • Alexei PavlovBlackTiger If you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.
    Will join to congrats after struggle with installation...
    Heck, "Web Authoring Tool" won't install...

    PS:
    Anyway, installed on my second PC and joinging to congrats! Good work, guys.
  • Congratulation for All the Team.

    One problem about opening a solution[although i have see seen a near workaround via help of scott guthrie's blog http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/11/19/visual-studio-2008-and-net-3-5-released.aspx]

    Is about opeing a solution targetting .net framework 2.0 made in VS2008 to be opened in VS2005.
    Could there be any other neat solution for this problem
  • Cattoccatto Catto
    This is great news, endless hours will be spent using this very important tool.

    Thx,

    Catto
  • Alexei PavlovBlackTiger If you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.
    People, when MSDN library for VS2008 will be available?

  • http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6ff3bc60-32c8-4c22-8591-a20bf8dff1a2&DisplayLang=en

    Somebody posted this earlier in the thread. It's the download link for the MSDN Library for Visual Studio 2008 DVD ISO.

  • Dan FernandezDan
    someone wrote:
    

    1.  Will 2005 Express editions remain available for download and for how long?



    Visual Studio 2005 Express Edition is still available for download from www.microsoft.com/express/ under previous version. We will make the 2005 version, including the CD images that you can use to make local copies of, available for about one year after launch.

    Thanks,
    -Dan

  • Alexei PavlovBlackTiger If you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.
    JChung2006 wrote:
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6ff3bc60-32c8-4c22-8591-a20bf8dff1a2&DisplayLang=en

    Somebody posted this earlier in the thread. It's the download link for the MSDN Library for Visual Studio 2008 DVD ISO.



    Thank you!
  • Congratulations.

    Note to marketing: in your Silverlight campaign, modify audio to include the new features of LINQ, world class JavaScript debugger and CSS editor in Visual Studio 2008.

    Looking forward to using Visual Studio 2008 in December.

    Thanks.

    Cool

  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    Be sure to check out this series of VS2008 training kits.
    C

    EDIT: And now for the SDK!
  • "Someone" asked some great questions above that I would like to respond to:

    1.    Will 2005 Express editions remain available for download and for how long?  Yes, 1 year

    2.    Is pricing the same? Can I upgrade from 2005 Standard to 2008 Pro for the upgrade price?  Yes, the retail prices remain the same

    3.    Will retail purchase be only available after the February launch?  Retail should be available starting early January

    4.    Any other minor features dropped in 2008 apart from J#?  No, J# was the only major feature dropped. 

    5.    All websites will be updated soon or after the launch? I would like a detailed comparison table for editions, more detailed than the one for VS 2005. Is developing a Windows service for example not available yet in Standard edition? 
    You can find “what’s new in VS2008” here http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb386063(VS.90).aspx"> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb386063(VS.90).aspx though I am not sure this meets your exact needs if you are looking for a table based side by side comparison.  Additionally, there is a white paper about all the new features here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=17319eb4-299c-43b8-a360-a1c2bd6a421b&displaylang=en

    6.    Are there ANY plans for servicing .NET 1.1 SP1?
    There are no plans for an SP4 of the 1.1 Framework now, however should customer servicing volume and demand supports a need then we would certainly respond

     Thank you!

    Carol

  • I was not referring to .NET 1.0 which shipped with VS.NET 2002 and for which SP3 is the latest service pack. I was asking about .NET 1.1 which ships with VS.NET 2003 and for which SP1 shipped with Windows XP SP2. Are there plans for a .NET 1.1 SP2? Smiley
  • quangcaosanphamquangcaosan​pham http://www.​tt24g.com
    i try use VS 2008.
    very interesting Big SmileCool.

    can you try???

    how your feel??


    TT24g.COM
  • If I try and go to download link you provide, I only find the Trial Editions and no downloads for Visual Studio Team Suite.  Do you have a specific link that I can go to for the Download?  I have an MSDN subscription, which qualifies me for the download if I can get there.

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