Tandy Trower: Robotics Update (Channel 9)

Tandy Trower: Robotics Update

Posted: May 05, 2008 at 11:17 AM

By: Charles

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We caught up with Tandy Trower recently to find out what's new with in Microsoft Robotics World, now named Microsoft Robotics Developer Studio 2008 (got to love our naming schemes, eh? Smiley

). The Robotics group has moved from Redmond to downtown studio. They are still a very small team, but they are now more of an official MS product team as opposed to an incubation group tied to MSR.

Tandy reflects on the current state of MSRDS 2008, robotics in general, RoboChamps competition and more. It's always fun to chat with Tandy, who's been at MS for almost 27 years now. Tandy pioneered Microsoft's foray into robotics and his small team has produced some amazing core technologies (CCR, DSS).

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Having installed the April CLP release and working through Sara Morgan's book, I wish that Tandy had said something about the changes to the service programming model.

Tandy emphasized the tooling issues facing the Robotics community as the driving factor in the creation of the Robotics Studio. At ICRA this year, the software working group spent a long time hashing out the problems facing the community. They were very concerned about:

Real-time concerns. When I first began reading through the material on CCR and DSSP, it seemed obvious to me that there is a roadmap that should eventually address those issues. However, it hasn't been made explicit in any of the public material I've seen produced by Microsoft.
Algorithmic portability. The graduate student and advisors revealed that half of a Ph.D. thesis is usually invested in cleaning up the last student's code so that it can be adapted to a new problem. This is a serious impediment to progress. Has Microsoft considered how its factoring of the implementation framework feeds into the problem of refactoring? From some discussion at the session, I believe that it has.

If I was a serious designer working for a smaller shop, I'd like to understand how the MSRS team sees these challenges. If I was in a university, I'd like to know whether I can take my simulations and transfer them to a working robot. And, for example, I'd like to be able to understand and influence class attributes specifications to ensure that the realtime potential was not being undermined.

This is the space I work in. How do I get that kind of information?

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ZippyV Fired Up

May 08, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Is Microsoft doing any research with bigger/complicated robots like humanoids? How about AI in robotics?
Charles Welcome Change

May 08, 2008 at 7:34 PM

I'd imagine we have some folks here working on AI, but the AI community has certainly gone the machine learning route, which is a long and twisted road, but of course one that is required to be able to reliably enable the type of intelligence you refer to.

An interview is in order.

C
Trichronos
Jul 02, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Having installed the April CLP release and working through Sara Morgan's book, I wish that Tandy had said something about the changes to the service programming model.

Tandy emphasized the tooling issues facing the Robotics community as the driving factor in the creation of the Robotics Studio. At ICRA this year, the software working group spent a long time hashing out the problems facing the community. They were very concerned about:
1. Real-time concerns. When I first began reading through the material on CCR and DSSP, it seemed obvious to me that there is a roadmap that should eventually address those issues. However, it hasn't been made explicit in any of the public material I've seen produced by Microsoft.
2. Algorithmic portability. The graduate student and advisors revealed that half of a Ph.D. thesis is usually invested in cleaning up the last student's code so that it can be adapted to a new problem. This is a serious impediment to progress. Has Microsoft considered how its factoring of the implementation framework feeds into the problem of refactoring? From some discussion at the session, I believe that it has.
If I was a serious designer working for a smaller shop, I'd like to understand how the MSRS team sees these challenges. If I was in a university, I'd like to know whether I can take my simulations and transfer them to a working robot. And, for example, I'd like to be able to understand and influence class attributes specifications to ensure that the realtime potential was not being undermined.

This is the space I work in. How do I get that kind of information?

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