Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/previewImages/100/435304_100x75.jpg Channel 9 - Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience David Washington and Paul Gusmorino demonstrate the key enhancements in Windows 7 to finding and organizing your files. David and Paul show off the ways that the team has simplified the Windows Explorer, the new libraries feature, which is a virtual collection of your music, photos, and video, wherever they may be, including on multiple machines. You'll also see how to use the Library pane to easily find and filter your data. You'll also see the new advanced search filter that provides a visual way to filter your files based on the files metadata. - Watch Part 2 - Watch their PDC session en Tue, 21 May 2013 02:31:13 GMT Tue, 21 May 2013 02:31:13 GMT Rev9 Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
Like I said.. I love the idea, but if this hinges on the same malfunctioning metadata reading and writing that WMP uses.. I'm foreseeing disaster.

posted by Bas

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608296050000000 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:26:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608296050000000 Bas Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience posted by DCMonkey

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608304300000000 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:40:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608304300000000 DCMonkey Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience posted by littleguru

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608308710000000 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:47:51 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608308710000000 littleguru Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience posted by Bas

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608314430000000 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:57:23 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608314430000000 Bas Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience All the library operations, like showing the "album" view, operate over the Windows Search indexer.  It gets the metadata information from the file, using the registered property handler for that file type.  The out-of-the-box handlers should cover all the common media cases just as in Vista.

posted by BHpaddock

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608317270000000 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:02:07 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608317270000000 BHpaddock Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience posted by Bas

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608322900000000 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:11:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608322900000000 Bas Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
Hopefully part 2 will be up soon, featuring yours truly =D

posted by BHpaddock

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608324910000000 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:14:51 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608324910000000 BHpaddock Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience If the WMP library works the same as in XP/Vista, it'll be as follows:

  1. Edit album artist
  2. WMP writes album artist to its own library
  3. WMP periodically writes data in library to the actual file's metadata

It's step 3 that always fails for me. Which would mean that the file's metadata wouldn't ever get up to date, which would mean that the Libraries wouldn't be able to pivot on that data. The only way of fixing it that I see is  getting Windows Media Player fixed, but I'm sort of giving up on that, since nobody else seems to have this problem.

posted by Bas

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608327590000000 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:19:19 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608327590000000 Bas Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience The point I was trying to make is that WMP12 will use WDS and its associated metadata writing features instead of its own homwgrown library/metadata system. Therefore the problem you are having specifically with WMP not writing metadata to files may go away.

And they probably won't bother fixing code in the current WMP that's going to go away in WMP12.

posted by DCMonkey

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608358790000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:11:19 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608358790000000 DCMonkey Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
The features shown in this video seem to be what WinFS's goal was - to make users forget about where the actual file was stored and concentrate on the task at hand.

posted by spivonious

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608421810000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:56:21 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608421810000000 spivonious Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
Visual Studio 2010 + Windows 7 M3 haha.

This organization is quite a bit better than what is in Vista, but I still do not think Vista is that bad. I use a save search for my documents pictures and music, but it certainly doesn't work the way it does in this video.

posted by intelman

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608445350000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:35:35 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608445350000000 intelman Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience Will Libraries work like Smartfolders on OSX? Saved searches in Vista are horrendously slow and don't work very well. Can I define my own Libraries? I'd like to be able to say "This is a view of all my avi files >20min on all my disks that I haven't seen yet", have this query run locally as well as my WHS shares, and be updated in realtime.

And why can't file metadata be attached to every file (for god's sake, NTFS has had ADS forever) instead of the stupid limitation on tagging only certain types of files. If we can tag any file, define custom searches that use that metadata, and compose Libraries out of these searches, then we are very close to the holy grail of WinFS. But I'm almost 100% sure this is not what we'll get.

posted by Defcon

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608502920000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:11:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608502920000000 Defcon Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience

I remember an older version of media player (7 or 8 I think) had a command in the menu to 'commit' your data to the files, but that disappeared in subsequent versions. Sad

posted by jh71283

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608623800000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:33:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608623800000000 jh71283 Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
The point I was trying to make is that WMP12 will use WDS


Ah, I missed that part, thanks. That would be positive.

I remember an older version of media player (7 or 8 I think) had a command in the menu to 'commit' your data to the files, but that disappeared in subsequent versions


No, that's still there. In the Media Library menu, you can choose 'commit changes to files' or whatever that's called in English. Not that it works, of course...

posted by Bas

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posted by GRiNSER

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608793930000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:16:33 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608793930000000 GRiNSER Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience posted by giovanni

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608807800000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:39:40 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608807800000000 giovanni Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
WMP uses the library framework in Windows 7.

posted by PaoloM

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608965610000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:02:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608965610000000 PaoloM Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
I loved the idea of virtual folders like we had in the early Windows Vista builds, where the Documents folder was a saved search result, dissapointly that feature was removed as it was too confusing - although it does still exist, it was just unhooked from the Documents, Music folders etc.

This is an excellent replacement for it.  I've always wanted to get public documents and pictures show up in the same view.  I had to train the rest of the family to use the Public Documents links, and links to the Home Server on the Favourite Links section instead.  This makes it much simpler to use, and they won't need to remember where specific things are stored anymore.  They can just hit Documents on their Start menus and see the lot.

Also like not showing image names in the Pictures view too - I used to be religious about naming images, but now I just leave them with the default name from the camera and tag them instead.  I suspect a lot of people do the same thing too.

posted by daSmirnov

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608993650000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:49:25 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633608993650000000 daSmirnov Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience posted by BHpaddock

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633609077820000000 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:09:42 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633609077820000000 BHpaddock Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
For example, suppose you store your visual studio projects in d:\projects.  You can create a new "VS Projects" library and include the d:\projects folder in it.  This new "VS Projects" library shows up alongside your Documents, Music, and Pictures libraries.  From it, you can take advantage of library features shown in the video like the the new views for finding things "by type" or "by date modified" and the search box improvements for building queries.

Your files, of course, remain in d:\projects.  The "VS Projects" library just provides you with a convenient way to find and organize those files.  If you had a second folder where you keep additional visual studio projects (e.g. d:\moreprojects), you could include it in your "VS Projects" library, too.

posted by pag3

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633609481050000000 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:21:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633609481050000000 pag3 Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience This is a really great presentation, Windows 7 Search and Find features look really useful and I would upgrade my Windows just for this feature as its just what I've been missing.
One suggestion - Please can the Preview pane highlight the search terms too?  So when you click on the Preview button the text in the document is highlighted in yellow. I've seen this in other search tools (specifically Enfish) and this feature is really useful.
I can see you are previewing and highlighting in yellow the text underneath the document name in the search - this is useful too so keep this.
thanks

posted by scoobie

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posted by kenlefeb

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633612696770000000 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:41:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633612696770000000 kenlefeb Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
Great question. What kind of support for image tags are you looking for?

All of the stuff that we showed in the video is built on top of the flexible and extensible shell property system. Even though a particular image format may not have support out of the box ISVs can plug in to give full support. For example, if you use a Canon EOS-1D camera you can get RAW support in Windows by installing the canon codec.

Thank for posting. Let me know if this doesn't answer your question.

Regards,
David

posted by dwashin

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Thanks for the suggestion about the preview pane. I have forwaded it on to the feature owner.

posted by dwashin

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633613557080000000 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:35:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633613557080000000 dwashin Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
All I am saying is that I don't want my music to get wrong information and have to leave it as is.  I don't like the album art that is too dark, too bright, or the color is bleeding.

posted by stutony

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633617975560000000 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:19:16 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633617975560000000 stutony Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
I'm sorry to say that I tested W7 Beta extensively with the Windows Explorer and Libraries are very inconsistant, horribly broken and don't work well with WMP12.   The default behavior keeps changing, doesn't always show the same thing every time you open the folder location editor, and the help is not consistant with designed behavior and Windows Explorer is worse than XP.   I sent a lot of feedback yesterday through the system under Programs/File Management/Organize.  This is not good, who the heck tests this stuff?  Its not working but half the time.  WMP12 doesn't even find Videos in the Video Library.  You cannot even click into the My or Public folders in Documents, Pictures and Videos, but you can in Music???  Why is so strange.. the details come up differently under each Library too.. and people are confused because even the My and Public Folders are virtual names..  XP Windows Explorer just worked.  Also I can no longer use the White Space to bring up the correct Right Context Menus.. it always wants to high light and select stuff I don't want to click on.  Why is this so functionally broken??    Get your team in order!

Having a broken, inconsistant and crazy behavior is un-acceptable.  I might have to stick with Vista or XP instead if you cannot get this right.  Libraries are just a search targeted to specific folders and yet it doesn't even work.

Regards,
Dennis

posted by dyapp

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633689352220000000 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:00:22 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633689352220000000 dyapp Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience
Even when I go through Windows Media Player's "Find Album Details", the metadata and album cover often don't even make it into the library, never mind the actual folder and media files themselves.

posted by zian

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633702482400000000 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:44:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633702482400000000 zian Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience Dear shell team, I refuse to upgrade ever until you fix ALL of these issues:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproperf/thread/0e55ded6-6b12-4b2d-9714-902ebd562813

posted by someone

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633857318910000000 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:44:51 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633857318910000000 someone Re: Windows 7: Find and Organize Part 1 - The User Experience I'm here, with a great heaviness in my heart, to tell you that Windows 7 WMP completely trashed my 1.5 TB MP3 library.  I started it up, pointing it to a network watch folder and saw it doing some good things, organizing my library and gathering additonal info on incompletel files.  Unfortunately I left it running overnight, and found extensive destruction to my file names and tags.  Specifically, WMP took tracks from a single album and renamed them the wrong names.  The file names were changed and the metadata was changed, usually creating duplicates, and oddly often duplicating odd numbered tracks.  So what once were tracks 1 through 8 for example, often became duplicates of tracks 3, 5, and 7. 

 

Fortunately, the folder structures were not renamed and as far as I can tell the files were not moved to album folders of the wrong name, so I think I can write some software to get out of this mess.  My folder structure goes "Artist/Album", so I am hoping I can inspect those folder names, then gather the track lengths and compare against the actual tracks in the album and put things back.

 

What an incredible disappointment.

posted by JamieLaing

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633945092330000000 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:53:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Windows-7-Find-and-Organize-Part-1-The-User-Experience#c633945092330000000 JamieLaing