Windows Live Mail Desktop beta
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I chatted with Bryan Starbuck and his team about the new mail client that works with Windows Live Mail and all your POP3 and IMAP accounts as well... and RSS... and seems to go way beyond the feature set of Oulook Express.
The new Windows Live Mail Desktop beta that is shown in the video will be released in early June. Users can sign-up on
http://ideas.live.com/ in order to receive an invite as the beta scales up over the next several months.
Note that the name “Windows Live Mail Desktop beta” is a place holder name until the final name comes in 
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Bryan Starbuck
I noticed while discussing the backup/protection features you didn't mention the transactional log files. Please tell me you got rid of them!!! Because, that's the one main issue I have with WLMD and WM for that mater. It seems to be apart of the core WM engine?
Issue:
Every time you open WLMD it creates a NEW 16MB transactional log file. These files only go away when you reboot and/or compact the DB. I have an email store with 90 emails in it (no attachments) and it's over 1GB in size because of these bazillion log files. Our users here do not turn off their machines at night and giving the user CHOICE to compact (yes/cancel) is not an option either. So when we start to deploy this app for those that want it it's going to be an issue.
Is there a way to turn this log off? Or have it tunicate on exit? On load?
Honestly I don't want 3 layers of protection. If the DB can reconstruct itself on the fly I see no need for a backup. If it takes a little while to reconstruct the DB then so be it. How often will it happen anyway? Our mail stores will run over the network and they get backed up to tape. So data loss is not an issue for them. So as long as that DB can reconstruct on the fly I don't need redundant data on the disc. However even with that said I'm perfectly willing to deal with the DB backup especially since this app isn't intended for the way our users will eventually use it (over the network). But please please please either let us turn off the logging or let us tunicate it on exit/load or just plain get rid of it!!!
Just confused.. We have:
Outlook Express (6.0, etc)
Microsoft Outlook (2007, etc)
Windows Mail (on Vista)
Windows Live Mail (on the web / hotmail replacement)
Windows Live Mail Desktop (the one in the video
MSN Explorer / outlook
The thing that confuses me is that we should only have:
Windows Live Mail Desktop (or a better name) for XP/Vista
Microsoft Outlook (as part of the office system)
Windows Live Mail (on the web)
Currently, I'd end up with Windows Mail (on Vista) and Windows Live Mail Desktop. They both are very similar, although the Desktop client offers more features, but essentially comparable. I understand that the Windows Mail won't be shipping for XP, but then why have Windows Mail on Vista? Why not just use the Windows Live Mail Desktop client?
ok, so maybe this wasn't a confusing question afterall...I just made it more confusing
Thanks for that explanation.
Its a funny situation for someone who wants the Live service integration, uses Vista and also uses the Office system (say, 2007 Office).
So now I end up with:
MS Office 2007 for my exchange server account
WLMD client for my "WLM" account, RSS, Spaces, Newsgroups,
Not-used mail client - Windows Mail (on Vista)
Hi JEmlay,
What makes you say that? My take on it is that WLMD is Windows Mail with Hotmail/WLM integration as you said. However, that doesn't mean that a Windows ID is "forced" on everyone, does it?
From what I can see it still does POP3, IMAP, NNTP and RSS. Why couldn't you just use it as your POP3 client without a Windows Live ID/Passport?
I have exactly the same question as keeron. It seems to me that they are writing two new mail clients at the same time, and WLMD is a superset of Windows Mail. Why do both?
It's confusing.
Seeya
Optic
Cain, I actually have resolved it... but I shot this video quite awhile ago... sorry about that.
I expect you'll see a few more from me in the near future with proper stereo sound
Is it only me or does the new thing seem like a monster messenger? And why is the search combobox taking so much space in the top? This seems to me as if they ported the web client to a windows form application. It makes perhaps sense to have the combo having so much space in the top in a web app, but does not make any sense in a windows app. I hope this gets fixed.
I don't understand why the colors can be changed anyway. I don't understand it in Windows Messenger too. I mean Windows should provide a nice UI that does not have any need to extend it by own skins etc...
This whole every application has a skin is a mess.
Thanks Scoble,
Duncan your audio is fine, don't worry about it.
Justin Hunt
So, unless it's changed in the new build when you use WLMD you are forced to have a WL account.
I agree completely, I've been trying to figure out how we could capture real screen output in a fairly simple fashion... we do it for on10.net when we are in studio (using some expensive piece of equipment), but doing it in any random office is something we haven't figured out.
I've been thinking that maybe if I setup Camtasia or something similar on my machine and had folks run their demoes on there I could get a full screen capture video that I could then edit into the main video.
Expensive equipement? They make a dongle that you put inline with the video out on your compy that gives you analog out ($150). All you need to do is capture that analog out. Granted the user can't run a super high resolution while doing this but it'll work. We do it all the time with presentation videos.
The equipment I was referring to allows us to capture specific areas of the screen (just a 320x240 area, for example) so that we get as much resolution as we can recorded to the tape.
I like that they are getting rid of File menus, but they need to make sure the items in the menus are put in the interface like I see in IE7 and WMP 11. I like the idea of toolbars becoming menus because it makes more sense, just make sure its complete.
As for the many different email clients, it seems like they started working on WLMD too late to even be considered to replace Windows Mail. I imagine that they would have to delay Vista further to add it.
The file menu is still accesible from a single drop down. Unless they removed it completly?
This is not going to replace Windows Mail. This is an app in which you can choose to install or not.
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:2.0_Product_Planning
Also, I like to keep E-mails received in say 2005 seperate from 2006, but be able to go back and review the E-mails later.
Can the Windows Live Mail Desktop, be able to be set up for this action? It is in the order for Identities like in Outlook Express?
I have seperate Identities for each year in Outlook Express. Will Windows Live Mail Desktop be able to import these E-mails? And be able to keep the years seperated?
[C] any help
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