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Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

erik_ — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:14:00 GMT

Nice, a behind the scenes on channel9

Thanks!

posted by erik_

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

TommyCarlier — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:05:46 GMT

This is an awesome video with great technical content.

posted by TommyCarlier

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

ali_raza_shaikh — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:54:51 GMT

Looking forward for Channel 9 vNext

Any history behind "EvNet" Name? [A]

posted by ali_raza_shaikh

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

jeffsand — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:52:10 GMT

ali_raza_shaikh wrote:

Any history behind "EvNet" Name?

The team that creates Channel 9 and 10 is sits organizational in the Evangelism group at Microsoft.

We look at Channel 9 and 10 as a growing part of an overall network of sites. So the team is known internally as The Evangelism Network Team.

-Jeff

posted by jeffsand

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

Larsenal — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:13:34 GMT

Three cheers for the Providers in ASP.NET 2.0! It's really foundational to the new types of frameworks you can construct.

Great video, guys! Keep 'em coming!

posted by Larsenal

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

W3bbo — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:15:08 GMT

The video mentions having to sanitize the raw HTML input from the Rich-Edit controls into some variant of XHTML.

Thing is, wouldn't an alternative approach be better? If I was in charge of C9, I'd have everyone use Markdown or some other WYSIWYM (not G) content definition language in the boring element. This makes everything simpler with zero loss of functionality (unless of course, you're the sort that likes WYSIWYG)

posted by W3bbo

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

HumanCompiler — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:32:22 GMT

W3bbo,

I made the Rich Text Box for our code base (it's actually not done, but getting there). Sometimes Duncan and Adam just go on and on talking...you know... I honestly am not sure where Duncan got going about that. The goal of the RTB I made was to keep things simple while staying XHTML compliant so we don't have to do any filtering after the fact. The only problem with that approach is you basically have to write some javascript to go through and make sure what's being pasted is xhtml compliant and either clean it or reject it (either that or only allow plain text to be pasted, which is limiting, but keeps the code simple and small).

I'm not sure exactly I follow what you're saying. Could you go into a bit more detail?

Edit: Actually, after reading what you said again, I think I get it. You mean to just use plain text and mark it up? Like UBBCode? (I think that's the name)

posted by HumanCompiler

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

W3bbo — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:06:20 GMT

HumanCompiler wrote:

Edit: Actually, after reading what you said again, I think I get it. You mean to just use plain text and mark it up? Like UBBCode? (I think that's the name)

Similar, but Markdown is probably the best implementation of plaintext markup for documents.

As for the Rich-Edit control, what you've done has already been done Check out widgEdit, it filters out "bad" HTML and looks good too.

posted by W3bbo

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

HumanCompiler — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:31:48 GMT

W3bbo wrote:

HumanCompiler wrote: Edit: Actually, after reading what you said again, I think I get it. You mean to just use plain text and mark it up? Like UBBCode? (I think that's the name)

Similar, but Markdown is probably the best implementation of plaintext markup for documents.

As for the Rich-Edit control, what you've done has already been done Check out widgEdit, it filters out "bad" HTML and looks good too.

Well, we'd like to get away from using codes. If it's a huge request we'll go to it, but otherwise we're trying to keep it simple and make it not much different than using Word or whatever.

Yes, I know what I'm doing has been done. We looked at a few RTB's and actually used one for a while, but none have really met our needs so we opted to build our own. We figured it was ok since we weren't doing anything that advanced.

posted by HumanCompiler

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

HumanCompiler — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:44:44 GMT

jamie wrote:

did duncan say themes?

...watching

edit 1: Universal tag objects:

"Thread bla bla...."

Post to: Coffeehouse and profile/blog Profile/Blog only

...umm great! (if thats what it is..)

edit 2: "legitimate platform"
downloadable? run on own server? c9blog? (die wordpress php die!)

edit 3: none of your voices are shaky. haha

edit 4: so great to see sampy - eric you look totally different - update avatar - adam - cut down on the spinnach (crosses forearms) is duncan team lead? or manager? adam design and eric main coder - sampy new guy coder? who does what?
charles=new scoble?

edit 5: love adams presentation... the feel of what the sites doing watching...

edit 6 : did i miss someone? hang on...

Yes, he said Themes as in ASP.NET 2.0 App_Themes folder...

re: edit 1: That's not really what we were thinking, but under the hood, yah, that's basically how it works. That's an interesting idea, but most of the time people are just replying, so you already know what to attach to. Interesting idea for new content though.

re: edit 2: Yup, but only for us, sorry. We may have some other teams in the future at MS use our platform, but we won't be releasing it to the public unless something drastic changes.

re: edit 3: That's good I guess...right? We were just havin' fun doing the video.

re: edit 4: Yah, I'm like fatter and uglier...no thanks...I'd rather leave what I've got up (even though it's old) Wife and I did start going to the gym (first time in my life for that) two weeks ago...let's hope for the best. My job depends on good looks you know!

Funny that you got all of that from us talking. You're about half right. Sampy is definitely the new guy (bringing quite a bit to the table). Duncan and I are devs. Adam is team lead/designer. He used to code a lot too, but as of late, not a whole lot as his new lead job takes up a lot of time.

re: edit 5: Excellent...yah, Adam can be pretty expressive sometimes. You should see the stuff he draws on our boards (er...I guess you sorta have).

re: edit 6: More?

posted by HumanCompiler

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

jamie — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:45:51 GMT

did duncan say themes?

...watching

edit 1: Universal tag objects:

"Thread bla bla...."

Post to: Coffeehouse and profile/blog Profile/Blog only

...umm great! (if thats what it is..)

edit 2: "legitimate platform"
downloadable? run on own server? c9blog? (die wordpress php die!)

edit 3: none of your voices are shaky. haha

edit 4: so great to see sampy - eric you look totally different - update avatar - adam - cut down on the spinnach (crosses forearms) is duncan team lead? or manager? adam design and eric main coder - sampy new guy coder? who does what?
charles=new scoble?

edit 5: love adams presentation... the feel of what the sites doing watching...

edit 6 : did i miss someone? hang on... (no... HC you look so different)

edit 7: little stinking trolls moron 1 and 2 hahahhahaha

edit 8: slashdot ranking... hmmm i dunno..

edit 9: less meetings - more code and vacations

end - ok great. great great video.
thanks .. i missed alot of the tech stuff - need to watch again. just too interested in the people to really comprehend the diagrams. Will need to review to check out all the 10 / 9 new stuff..

best video

posted by jamie

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

yman — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:30:23 GMT

I could have told you the name of their project/code, "EvNet". I discovered it in error messages while I was doing penetration testing (as one does).
You guys might want to flag a msg when a forum/post id doesn't exist. I remembered that a null reference error occurred; your aspx error page (oops.aspx) for unhandled errors now handles it.

You should really think about implementing a true search engine for the C9 release. I doubt the live/msn search is as efficient.

posted by yman

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

HumanCompiler — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:58:30 GMT

yman wrote:

I could have told you the name of their project/code, "EvNet". I discovered it in error messages while I was doing penetration testing (as one does).
You guys might want to flag a msg when a forum/post id doesn't exist. I remembered that a null reference error occurred; your aspx error page (oops.aspx) for unhandled errors now handles it.

You should really think about implementing a true search engine for the C9 release. I doubt the live/msn search is as efficient.

We're in the middle of a code re-org so we'll fix that forum thread problem, thanks.

As for live search we can do pretty much anything we want. We have meta tags in the site that let us set it up however we want so we can search across that meta data. For example, you could easily search across a single forum, or all of them or across a particular tag, etc. Right now the search on 10 isn't doing any of that, but we're going to add it (since the meta tags are already there).

posted by HumanCompiler

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

LaBomba — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:41:15 GMT

Erik, perhaps uglier, but more importantly wiser?

Sampy, fewer hand motions. +1

Duncan, he's canadian! +1
Charles, no stupid scoblelike questions +1:P
Kinney, sssssspeak louder! somebody get this man a mic!

posted by LaBomba

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

HumanCompiler — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:52:29 GMT

LaBomba wrote:

Erik, perhaps uglier, but more importantly wiser?

Damn, looks are all I've got! Wiser than what? No +1??? [C]

posted by HumanCompiler

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

Chadk — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:28:40 GMT

Amazing. More nice drawings by Adam! His Channel9 guy looked cool.

Haven't we seen Sampy on channel9 before? I remember that face. The word Milestone for some reason pops to my mind

Nice technical content too. I like this alot! Very relaxed video, very lovely! Some of the videos that features a PM(Some developers seem to have this habit too), seem to try to sell their product, which is unlucky.

LaBomba wrote:

E.....

+1!

Is there really a that big rush to get the meeting roomes at the campus? From what i saw when i was at microsoft, was that there was alot of nice meeting roomes, yet they werent that booked(Yet they was quite used)

posted by Chadk

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

HumanCompiler — Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:27:55 GMT

Chadk wrote:

Is there really a that big rush to get the meeting roomes at the campus? From what i saw when i was at microsoft, was that there was alot of nice meeting roomes, yet they werent that booked(Yet they was quite used)

It seems that they're pretty empty until you want one, then they're all full when you need one. Murphy's Law I guess.

posted by HumanCompiler

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

CRPietschmann — Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:03:19 GMT

I didn't know about the VirtualPathProvider or PageProvider objects.

Awesome content in this one!!

posted by CRPietschmann

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

littleguru — Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:21:52 GMT

Finally a face behind HumanCompiler Great to see you dude.

posted by littleguru

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

HumanCompiler — Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:03:33 GMT

CRPietschmann, glad you learned something. I honestly didn't know anything about VPP until Duncan used it in our code.

littleguru, thanks! Sadly, you'll have to see more of me in the future.

posted by HumanCompiler

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

CamBendy — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:13:31 GMT

So, is there any indication of when the code base for this may be released?

Is it going to be released?

~Please don't make me beg~

We've got a big community project in progress here and would love to use that code base rather than the alternatives that we've seen so far.

Please?

Please!?!

D'oh, now I'm begging....

posted by CamBendy

Re: Meet the EvNet Dev Team

HumanCompiler — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:58:45 GMT

We still don't know what we're going to do publicly with the code. In the short term though, we have no plans of releasing the code. Sorry! Thanks for the compliment though.

posted by HumanCompiler