Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 - Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained If you were at the PDC last fall you might have heard about Monad. That's the code-name for a new command shell. Jason Nadal, on his blog, said he was "blown away" by what he saw. So, of course, we had to track down the Architect on the team (officially named the "Administration eXperience Platform" team, the product hasn't been named yet), Jeffrey Snover. In this clip Jeffrey explains the vision behind Monad. On Monday he'll give us a demo. en Sat, 25 May 2013 09:10:09 GMT Sat, 25 May 2013 09:10:09 GMT Rev9 Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained

posted by mscott

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335110220000000 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:10:22 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335110220000000 mscott Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
In the middle of the video, before I would forget to do so, I ran off to BetaPlace (whose URL is not betaplace.com, but http://beta.microsoft.com, and has been for quite some time now) and filled in the survey.

I'm very curious on how this'll turn out.

posted by Sven Groot

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335226080000000 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:23:28 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335226080000000 Sven Groot Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/Episode043/default.asp

with good demos. If you can't wait until monday, go watch that one. By the way, I try Monad and it's very cool.

posted by compugab

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335271670000000 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:39:27 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335271670000000 compugab Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained That sounds very cool. Is there a solution for automation that doesn't require the command line though? Sort of like http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/automator.html

posted by Rossj

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335359230000000 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:05:23 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335359230000000 Rossj Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained Yup.  Cmdlets are .NET classes which are hosted by Monad.  Monad then surfaces that class as a Command line interface, an API, and eventually a WS-Management Web Service.

We surface the cmdlets as an API for management applications and to support rich GUIs. Both of these need very low latency access.

jps

posted by jsnover

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335367210000000 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:18:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335367210000000 jsnover Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
jsnover wrote:
>Is there a solution for automation that doesn't require the command line?
Yup.  Cmdlets are .NET classes which are hosted by Monad.  Monad then surfaces that class as a Command line interface, an API, and eventually a WS-Management Web Service.

We surface the cmdlets as an API for management applications and to support rich GUIs. Both of these need very low latency access.

jps


Sorry I may have missed that in the video, the WMV quality on OSX is *very* poor Sad

Looks interesting, time to try out that beta - sure I've got some windows boxen around here somewhere.

posted by Rossj

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335392330000000 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:00:33 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335392330000000 Rossj Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
I struggled for a long time trying to figure out what was required to make SQL Server integrated security work between two computers.  Was it a Windows login issue, a SQL issue or some sort of Windows privileges issue.  Even after getting things to work I still don't know what "events" go on when one machine connects to another.

Can Monad help me see those sort of links in the chain?

posted by JamesC

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335404860000000 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:21:26 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335404860000000 JamesC Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
He's not kidding about how easy it is to use compared to UNIX shells, and even more powerful IMO.

posted by Pseudo

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335586810000000 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:24:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632335586810000000 Pseudo Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained Thank you, thank you, thank you! This sounds amazing and I can't wait to try it! Great video!

Cameron
-www.msinbox.com

posted by fatboy_au

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632336016570000000 Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:20:57 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632336016570000000 fatboy_au Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained It is case sensitive.

posted by CRPietschmann

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632336271430000000 Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:25:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632336271430000000 CRPietschmann Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained --
wjs, mvp

posted by staceyw

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632336370930000000 Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:11:33 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632336370930000000 staceyw Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
This is an attempt to assert dominion over the mindset of each organization that produced each admin' experience. This activity is often met with hostility from the very kind of people this product is ironically named after: the monads.

Most of us assume we are inidividuals but more often than not most obedient employees are monads.

posted by rasx

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632336377200000000 Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:22:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632336377200000000 rasx Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained

posted by mlauzon

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337096720000000 Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:21:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337096720000000 mlauzon Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
mlauzon wrote:
Does anyone have a screenshot of Monad in action, seeing as how there are a few people already lucky enough to be beta testing it?!



There will be a demo video posted soon.

posted by jsnover

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337109400000000 Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:42:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337109400000000 jsnover Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained This is ridiculously cool. But one thing I've always wondered about these technologies that will be released a long time from now, as .Net 2.0 is still under development, do you guys still take advantage of any of the new framework and/or language enhancements? For example, do you guys refactor the Monad source to make use of C# Generics or Anonymous methods?

Thanks.

posted by Senkwe Chanda

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337211070000000 Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:31:47 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337211070000000 Senkwe Chanda Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
jsnover wrote:
mlauzon wrote: Does anyone have a screenshot of Monad in action, seeing as how there are a few people already lucky enough to be beta testing it?!

There will be a demo video posted soon.




I'll be waiting for it, although I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a copy to beta test...yes I've done the survey.

posted by mlauzon

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337369700000000 Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:56:10 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337369700000000 mlauzon Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained posted by jakesomething

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337374650000000 Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:04:25 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337374650000000 jakesomething Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained posted by scobleizer

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337749340000000 Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:28:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632337749340000000 scobleizer Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained How well does this integrate with ms-build?  Will I still have to learn  one system for build files and another system for shell-scripts?

posted by ringi

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632342491130000000 Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:11:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632342491130000000 ringi Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
There is now a MSH Wiki on Channel9.  Head off to:
http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.MSHWiki

posted by tfl

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632344272560000000 Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:40:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632344272560000000 tfl Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
However, in the video Jefferey claims that MSH is more programmatic than Perl, Python and Ruby. I'd be interested to know what are the features that make MSH more programmatic than those languages? Did Jefferey have particular MSH language features in mind when he made that comment?

posted by Balclutha

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632476967750000000 Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:39:35 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632476967750000000 Balclutha Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
Balclutha wrote:
I think Mondad sounds splendid and I am very excited to see the command line interface evolving into something more powerful.

However, in the video Jefferey claims that MSH is more programmatic than Perl, Python and Ruby. I'd be interested to know what are the features that make MSH more programmatic than those languages? Did Jefferey have particular MSH language features in mind when he made that comment?


You can use any .NET language to create MSH components

posted by Arran

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632477935800000000 Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:33:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632477935800000000 Arran Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained Do you expect there to be a better solution for remote management via the command line or Monad?  Nix having the SSH it would be nice to see something comparable in windows other than the telnet service.

posted by JakeDAHS

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632548769440000000 Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:09:04 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632548769440000000 JakeDAHS Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
The true geek in me came out watching this vid - so much so that I can see how ive modelled a lot of this in applications to accomodate just what Jef is talking about - process mapping with defined inputs and outputs that can be interogated - ... im such a geek!

Anthony.

posted by widgetx

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632573022120000000 Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:50:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632573022120000000 widgetx Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
JakeDAHS wrote:

Do you expect there to be a better solution for remote management via the command line or Monad?  Nix having the SSH it would be nice to see something comparable in windows other than the telnet service.



All SSH is, is a telnet service wrapped in an SSL tunnel.  If Windows came out with an OpenSSL analogue, then what you suggest would be trivial.

posted by Maurits

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632573088280000000 Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:40:28 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632573088280000000 Maurits Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained
Maurits wrote:
All SSH is, is a telnet service wrapped in an SSL tunnel.  If Windows came out with an OpenSSL analogue, then what you suggest would be trivial.


I'm sorry, but that is not correct. I have made this assumption before, but I was corrected, too. SSH is not SSL+Telnet. SSH does not "speak" SSL, and they cannot talk to each other. There is, however, some overlap in how they accomplish some similar goals.

http://www.rpatrick.com/tech/ssh-ssl/
http://www.snailbook.com/faq/ssl.auto.html

posted by Xiaoth

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632599411110000000 Thu, 18 Aug 2005 05:51:51 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632599411110000000 Xiaoth Re: Jeffrey Snover - Monad explained Facilitating the programming learning curve should be fun!!

posted by PrimerFender

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632730276590000000 Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:00:59 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Jeffrey-Snover-Monad-explained#c632730276590000000 PrimerFender