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Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

Manip — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:43:33 GMT

This is kind of off-topic but there is a good chance of someone from the VS team reading this and answering it...

Q: Is the VS editor based on the rich text format?
(instead of HTML or XML etc)

posted by Manip

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

androidi — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:46:55 GMT

OT: Using the Save link to download the video, seeking doesn't work in the saved wmv and it stops playing at some 75%.. These problems do not appear in the streaming version.

OT2: I have had ch9 since beginning using cookie for password - I do not remember the password and cannot access the profile from other computer. Can you please send a new password to the email in my profile? I tried the forgotten password function but it does not seem to work in this case. Thanks.

posted by androidi

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

jledgard — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:20:54 GMT

Not sure I can help you with the video download issues. It seems to work fine for me.

RE: The Editor: We default to Rich Text when copying text. The Editor itself is not a RichText control but something we owner draw ourselves.

posted by jledgard

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

timserverius — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:58:38 GMT

Would it be rude to turn on a person's office lights when interviewing them?

Other than that it was interesting to meet the VS Core team. Good stuff.

posted by timserverius

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

jledgard — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:27:29 GMT

Tim: Some developers are scared of light... especially those bright fluorescent overheads. In reality I guess I figured I was barging in enough as is. No one had any warning. But I think you can tell that.

posted by jledgard

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

koorb — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:02:55 GMT

I can't seem to download the full video.

posted by koorb

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

rhm — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:24:32 GMT

I'm pleased to hear about the VSIP improvements in VS2005. I mentioned in a another thread a while back how disappointed I was after learning C# and everything that goes with managed code only to find that VSIP was COM based in VS2k2/3.

posted by rhm

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

BinaryBoy — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:58:26 GMT

koorb wrote:

I can't seem to download the full video.

Same here. The video ends abruptly. The file is 62,734,692 bytes. Also having the seek problem mentioned above.

posted by BinaryBoy

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

mikelor — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:21:42 GMT

Great Tour Josh,
Some of those offices looked kinda crowded (and hot) with two people in them. Looks like Jeremy had a big fan to keep him cool. Is that the norm around there? They all seemed to be enjoying what they were doing!

I had no problems with the videos, got all the way to the end to hear how tired Scoble was.

posted by mikelor

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

staceyw — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:44:52 GMT

Thanks Josh. That was neat. Funny how a lot of MS folks don't know right up front Channel9 is holding the camera. They should glue the 9 guy on top of the camera and/or mic. Cheers.

posted by staceyw

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

Manip — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:08:14 GMT

jledgard wrote:

Not sure I can help you with the video download issues. It seems to work fine for me.

RE: The Editor: We default to Rich Text when copying text. The Editor itself is not a RichText control but something we owner draw ourselves.

But then why does it have the same new-line squiggle bug as Word?

- I am talking about 2003, not 2005. Is 2003 a rich-text based program?

posted by Manip

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

androidi — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:07:46 GMT

Hey Josh, if you happen to be watching the thread - do you know did Mark Cligget move onto other tasks or what, I remember him being very active towards the VS community on his blogs, but then went suddenly silent about a month before beta 1.

posted by androidi

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

jledgard — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:53:42 GMT

No, Mark is still the lead of the Devdiv Customer Connection team and still my manager. I know his blog has been silent since June, but he has still be hard at work getting other team involved in the community.

posted by jledgard

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

Minh — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:47:43 GMT

Wow! Touch-based computing. How do you delete stuff? White-out?
Just having fun. Great stuff guys. But seeing stuff like using C++ to write the C++ compiler, or using VS to write VS always weird me out.

posted by Minh

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

The Channel 9 Team — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:56:25 GMT

We're sorry about the problems with the downloaded video. We'll work on getting that fixed today.

posted by The Channel 9 Team

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

Sampy — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:11:30 GMT

Minh wrote:

But seeing stuff like using C++ to write the C++ compiler, or using VS to write VS always weird me out.

When developing, I like to use the best IDE available

posted by Sampy

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

Skriker V1.0 — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:19:03 GMT

Any chance of making the install faster, why does it take so long anyway? 25mins + (Based on VS 2003)

posted by Skriker V1.0

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

Minh — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:00:14 GMT

Sampy wrote:

When developing, I like to use the best IDE available

So you're probably using VS 2K3 to write VS 2K5. But have you used VS 2K5 on any production stuff yet?

posted by Minh

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

Sampy — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:53:44 GMT

Minh wrote:

Sampy wrote:
When developing, I like to use the best IDE available

So you're probably using VS 2K3 to write VS 2K5. But have you used VS 2K5 on any production stuff yet?

No, I'm using VS 2005; you have to if you are writing managed code for VS 2005 (and a lot of people are). There are breaking changes in the metadata formats between 1.1 and 2.0 such that 1.1 can't load 2.0 assemblies; 2.0 can load 1.1 and 1.0 just fine. Also, I need features like generics, snap lines in the Winforms designer, layout panels, etc.

Sure I have to drop into gvim if the build isn't stable but I have .vbproj files for Microsoft.VisualStudio.Editors.dll (Property pages, project, resource and settings designers) and Microsoft.VisualStudio.Publish.dll (ClickOnce integration into VS).

posted by Sampy

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

jledgard — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:17:20 GMT

To answer some more of the questions:

"Some of those offices looked kinda crowded (and hot) with two people in them. Looks like Jeremy had a big fan to keep him cool. Is that the norm around there?"

For some reason Jeremy's office is worse than others. We think it has to do with the placement. But yeah, offices with a lot of computers tend to get pretty hot.

"They should glue the 9 guy on top of the camera and/or mic."

Well, what other reason does Robert have to be walking around the buildings? I think just seeing him is fair warning.

"But then why does it have the same new-line squiggle bug as Word? - I am talking about 2003, not 2005. Is 2003 a rich-text based program? "

No, our editor has been an owner drawn control for a long time. Yes, the squiggles may look the same and are for relatively the same purpose, but I don't believe they share much (if any) code.

"Wow! Touch-based computing. How do you delete stuff? White-out?"

In Developer Division, code deletes you.

"Any chance of making the install faster, why does it take so long anyway? 25mins + (Based on VS 2003)"

I should get a video with the team working on the installer. From what I know VS 2005 should be faster. We now use cab compression to reduce the disk access time required of the install and they've also done a lot of other work including some UI streamlining. The Express SKU installs should also be much faster due to the reduced footprint of the SKU.

"So you're probably using VS 2K3 to write VS 2K5. But have you used VS 2K5 on any production stuff yet?"

I can't speak for everyone, but most of the developers I know are currently using VS 2005 to develop VS 2005 and the test teams have been using it to test itself for a long time. Dogfooding is big here.

posted by jledgard

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

alexdresko — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:28:54 GMT

How come there are so many Microsoft employees that haven't heard of Channel9? That seems strange to me.

posted by alexdresko

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

scobleizer — Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:37:36 GMT

It seems strange to us too. But, we're making progress.

We'll get them all even if we have to video them all first.

posted by scobleizer

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

juanignaciogelos — Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:24:19 GMT

What's that Recording / Test automation app Chetan Parmar was testing? is it the same Diane Rapp (I think it was her) was using to test Find Symbol?

posted by juanignaciogelos

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

jledgard — Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:38:08 GMT

I was wondering if anyone would catch that. Diane was using our standard automation libraries that we've built for testing Visual Studio. Chetan was demonstrating a newer, in development, approach that translated his actions into calls to the accessibility apis for playback.

posted by jledgard

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

juanignaciogelos — Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:07:31 GMT

Well I'd be just quoting you guys if I said "I want that!"... but, are you planning to make it part of Team System?

I think I saw an article on msdn mag or somewhere in msdn about using the accesibility apis for that, and laid out a sample implementation.

posted by juanignaciogelos

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

vandil — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:08:39 GMT

Sampy wrote:

but I have .vbproj files for Microsoft.VisualStudio.Editors.dll

How much of the framework is written in VB vs C#?

posted by vandil

Re: Josh Ledgard - Tour of Visual Studio core team (Part II)

Dean_186 — Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:17:01 GMT

I think thats really kool. We see the people who make our Visual Studio. Work this is really impressive. These are the people who program to make visual studio that programmers use to program. A touge twister. lol.

posted by Dean_186