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Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

kostik_y2k — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:40:57 GMT

It's just amazing....... !

posted by kostik_y2k

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

Kryptos — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:06:37 GMT

The more I see of Avalon the more excited I get, sure we will end up with some bad UI's, but this stuff rocks. I'm go to play with Avalon........

posted by Kryptos

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

RbmxXx — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:20:45 GMT

Where can i download this AVALON Damo??

It's so cool!!

posted by RbmxXx

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

Arran — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:56:55 GMT

Yeah the Avalon stuff does look really good, an i will be having a look at it as soon as they release a CTP for VS Beta2.

I keep seeing MS say that Longhorn Beta1 is this summer and Beta2 the fall. Is it just me or do they seem close together?

When you think about most of the beta programs for example VS2005. Beta 1 Summer/Fall 2004 then Beta2 Spring 2005 and as big a project that VS2005 is i am sure Longhorn is many times bigger.

I get the feeling that Beta2 will slip to spring 2006.

posted by Arran

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

MisterDonut — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:58:56 GMT

Preemptive Obnoxiousness

We already have this in Linux..

Microsoft copied this from Steve Jobs' G5.

It's not open source, so it's awful.

It won't run on anything by Windows, so it's bad.

Avalon doesn't help command-line utilities, so it's worthless..

Did I forget anything?

(Seriously, I can't wait to see this on the train ride home.)

posted by MisterDonut

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

Dr. Shim — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:24:28 GMT

A Flash conference and not one word about Flash. Sinners.

I do wonder how I could integrate Flash with all this neat 3D stuff. Could I overlay a Flash presentation over a 3D surface, like I can with video?

Woot!

posted by Dr. Shim

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

bonk — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:36:15 GMT

System.Threading.Increment( MisterDonut );

posted by bonk

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

Stebet — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:40:51 GMT

Is there a possibility that some (or all) of these demos could be shipped with the next CTP?

posted by Stebet

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

NateDunlap — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:26:07 GMT

I will definitely try to post samples of how we accomplished these things in the next CTP. http://www.designerslove.net

posted by NateDunlap

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

BrandonFurtwangler — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:25:11 GMT

Hey Nathan, your blog rocks! Who was the other guy that mentioned having a blog?

posted by BrandonFurtwangler

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

NateDunlap — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:20:01 GMT

I think you are referring to Karsten

His blog is at: http://blogs.msdn.com/karstenj/

Let me know if you were thinking of someone else?

posted by NateDunlap

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

NateDunlap — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:39:32 GMT

Actually the laptop does have a pretty decent card. Its a Radeon 9800 mobility. Which is fast becoming an old card... I just saw a laptop for sale that has 256M cards on it... drool.

Anyway when I switched the app to render 40 rows we are showing about 1200 images... That are mapped to about 1200 3D mesh planes (roughly 2400 polygons... excuse my math i'm a designer

I think the real tax was in the fact that we were mapping so many images not because of the polygon count. (Ive used models from Zam3D that had much higher polygon count)

Anyway the scenario hasnt really been optimized for showing that many images. The framerate stays pretty high with about 10 rows, But it was cool engough looking when you can see down a tube of 1200 images (even if the framerate was compromised).

We have been playing around with implementing a similar effect using VisualBrush on a single 3D mesh and have found that we can accomplish this at a much higher frame rate, but we lack some of the 3D interactivity that we created.

posted by NateDunlap

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

BootGuy — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:07:24 GMT

XAML is a code name that may not stick?!? Come on, Microsoft isn't going to change the name of XAML. I guarantee it!

posted by BootGuy

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

BootGuy — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:50:09 GMT

Adobe's probably not going to be too happy about their purchase of Macromedia 2 years from now, as Flash dies out and Microsoft's technology rules the world!

posted by BootGuy

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

Sk4rlath — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:57:31 GMT

I must know. Was Halo a listbox control?

posted by Sk4rlath

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

BruceLee — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:01:02 GMT

The demos are so cool and the speaker is so funny! Love it.

posted by BruceLee

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

dantheman82 — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:06:56 GMT

Why not? I could see how it could be made using the composition/transformation outlined in the video. I am SO happy I had to sweat through some of the tough stuff in a Comp. Graphics class in OpenGL. I'd definitely say pick up a primer on OpenGL before you delve in, and this will boggle your mind. Just a surface-level view of OpenGL/Directx will show the 3D possibilities available. As a side-effect, I think DirectX may become a lot less useful than it used to be (more specialized/advanced).

I thought the XAM3D is missing the point of Avalon. Any user, not a graphic artist, can now make amazing 3D graphics. Their tool doesn't make this obvious AT ALL! Let's just say for starters that Print-Screen may be a whole ton more cool than it used to be .

Ideas are popping into my mind like scores of images on a massive 3D cone.

posted by dantheman82

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

dantheman82 — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:09:47 GMT

Arran wrote:

I keep seeing MS say that Longhorn Beta1 is this summer and Beta2 the fall. Is it just me or do they seem close together?

I get the feeling that Beta2 will slip to spring 2006.

I've already heard that Longhorn Beta2 is planned for Holiday 2006, which is presumably right around the New Year (preferably before Valentines' Day).

posted by dantheman82

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

Dr. Shim — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:56:39 GMT

I downloaded the Zam 3D beta trial, and opened a 3D truck with some simple animation. I then exported it as a XAML file. The resulting XML heirarchy was huge. Eight megabytes o' text.

Alright, maybe not that huge, but still. That's a lot of plain-text. I'm thinking that for a somewhat complex 3D XAML model or presentation is going to be rather large -- unlike Flash, which is a binary format. Can we utilize XOP for Avalon?

My point is, how Web-friendly is Avalon? Or should a Avalon UI designer keep the 3D to a minimum for online presentations?

posted by Dr. Shim

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

moofish — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:17:31 GMT

It was some wait but the pictures at the end were arranged like a wormhole (like DS9), I wanted him to fly through it. Imagine Amazon working like that and the user wearing a headset, he could (in 3D) fly through all the albums that might interest him and immerse himself in the experience.

Great!

P.S. Well done ZAM 3D

posted by moofish

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

MisterDonut — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:15:56 GMT

Follow up to earlier obnoxiousness:

I really liked the demo. I'd love to have some sample code to play around with.. But its ashame my CTO for WinFX doesn't work.. (Can't seem to find the right version of the framework, despite it being there.. I heard others had this problem).

posted by MisterDonut

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

dantheman82 — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:39:00 GMT

Personally had a problem running VS 2005 Beta 2 (GUI/ASP.NET visual editor were broken). So, I may have to reinstall the 2GB file. Also interested in Avalon + Beta 2. GRRR

posted by dantheman82

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

Frank W — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:01:37 GMT

Well, that's pretty interesting. I heard about Longhorn last year, but only had a little try on it. My problem is that I'm not a design guy, so I can't make nice art for the Avalon powered app.

posted by Frank W

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

blazo — Sun, 01 May 2005 03:13:48 GMT

Two questions.

What are the plans for color fidelity?

Will there be tools available to morph the polyhedronal building block shapes on the fly?

posted by blazo

Re: Karsten Januszewski - Home video of Avalon presentation at Flash Forward conference

Pablo Fernicola — Thu, 05 May 2005 03:40:44 GMT

We also have a container and compression in Avalon. I would expect that in the future, the export from tools will expose this in addition to the plain XAML file.

If you are just moving it to another tool or want to do some XML processing, a flat file may be better. If you want to store or send the information to someone else, using the container and compression is the best option.

XAML files with 3D data compress really well.

-Pablo

posted by Pablo Fernicola