Comment Feed for Channel 9 - The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/previewImages/100/47933_100x75.jpg Channel 9 - The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable Recently the CLR team had a "Compiler Lab" which is where they meet with customers over in building 20 on Microsoft's main campus in Redmond, WA. Jeff Sandquist and Charles Torre took their camcorder out for a dinnertime meeting with compiler geeks from Microsoft and other companies. None of this was planned. Listen in as they talk about the CLR compiler over plates of BBQ. en Sat, 25 May 2013 06:01:26 GMT Sat, 25 May 2013 06:01:26 GMT Rev9 Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable posted by littleguru

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632467671110000000 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:25:11 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632467671110000000 littleguru Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable
Glad you liked it!

C

posted by Charles

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If I don't write a compiler at least it gives me a lot internals... that's also a big benefit.

posted by littleguru

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632467730700000000 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:04:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632467730700000000 littleguru Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable I didn't get the title of the book, anyone can point my in the right direction?

posted by lassebjerreknudsen

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posted by rhm

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632467794300000000 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:50:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632467794300000000 rhm Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable Notice to everyone:-

STOP POSTING LONG LINKS!!!!!!
It screws up the page formatting. Thankyou.

posted by rhm

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632468321500000000 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:29:10 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632468321500000000 rhm Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable
rhm wrote:
If the CLR team wants ideas for improvements how about making code unloadable/gc-able so that programs that generate code on the fly don't leak memory. Yes, you can use Appdomains now, but there is unacceptible marshalling overhead with that approach in programs that have a high number of calls to generated code.


See Lightweight Code Generation in .NET 2.0 (DynamicMethod class particularly). I think that is want you suggest.

posted by TM

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632468370140000000 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:50:14 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632468370140000000 TM Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable Interesting topic and discussion.  Yes, the fundamental switch to partial classes for one thing seems a little counterintuitive (unless if you are used to C++ header files and cpp
files that flesh out the implementation). 

The whole discussion by the guy from Australia about private types is not really correct.  Using .NET reflection, I can access private data members and functions during
runtime.  And using the .NET Reflector (or similar), I can access private data inside DLL or EXE files with not too much difficulty.  So, the whole
private/protected/public distinction (while interesting when it comes to correctness) is not really practical in managed code.

Of course, interfacing between languages is definitely much easier.  And while we're discussing languages, why not have a true Java language compiler that
"just works" (like the PHP compiler Phalanger) in the CLR?  I'm talking JButton, not Button, and so on...so that I can run Java applet code in a Winform UI.  Gabeesh?

P.S. trueguru, not only did you screw up the layout of the page by incorrectly posting the link, but you did so because you shamelessly had to include a referral
link for the book.

posted by dantheman82

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TM wrote:

See Lightweight Code Generation in .NET 2.0 (DynamicMethod class particularly). I think that is want you suggest.


Thanks for the headsup. It sounds interesting although I can't read the docs on it now (the online MSDN library being next-to useless). I'll take a look when I get the Whidbey beta.

posted by rhm

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632468700950000000 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:01:35 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632468700950000000 rhm Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable rhm: Try this link http://msdn2.microsoft.com/library/80h6baz2.aspx (or more readable http://msdn2.microsoft.com/library/system.reflection.emit.dynamicmethod.aspx)

Gotta love the new MSDN Library Smiley

Small excerpt from it:

"You can use the DynamicMethod class to generate and execute a method at run time, without having to generate a dynamic assembly and a dynamic type to contain the method. Dynamic methods are the most efficient way to generate and execute small amounts of code.

A dynamic method is associated with a module, and is effectively global to that module. With sufficient permissions, a dynamic method can access the private data of types declared in that module. You can associate a dynamic method with any module, whether or not you created the module."

posted by andyandy

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632468803730000000 Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:52:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632468803730000000 andyandy Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable
lassebjerreknudsen wrote:

I didn't get the title of the book, anyone can point my in the right direction?



here you go:

click here

posted by littleguru

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rhm wrote:
Notice to everyone:-

STOP POSTING LONG LINKS!!!!!!
It screws up the page formatting. Thankyou.


Not here. What's the problem?
Your 18pt red bold thing screws up the page formatting.

Seems to be a problem with firefox. It does not break links into two lines... That's kind of lame.

posted by littleguru

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posted by rhm

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632469278360000000 Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:03:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/The-CLR-Compiler-Geek-Roundtable#c632469278360000000 rhm Re: The CLR Compiler Geek Roundtable
rhm wrote:
URLs don't contain breaking space. They're not supposed to wrap.


That's not true. Url contain also "-", which are used to introduce a new line in quite every program that is working with text. The URL from Amazon contains a lot of them.

posted by littleguru

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Experimenting with IE6 shows that it posesses no such facility to "wrap URLs". It just happens that IE has different word breaking rules to Gecko. IE breaks 'words' on some punctuation marks including '?' and '-', but it doesn't break on '/' for example so it only helps out people who ignorantly post long URLs if they happen to contain those characters. IE is wrong here IMO. Word breaks should only occur on breaking whitespace characters unless you are going to implement a true hyphenation scheme (which would be language dependant) that doesn't break technical notation such as URLs.

posted by rhm

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In addition to demonstrating the advantage of devlabs, I saw some importance, for myself, in understanding how managed code impacts consideration of software trustworthiness, especially for integration of components from multiple sources.  That angle was enough for me to snag the video for future pondering.

I loved the anecdotal material.  In 1961, when I arrived in New York City to do some "Applied Programming Development" work, one job was to figure out how to build a version of RPG so our Univac small-scale systems could run IBM 1401 applications. I had forgotten the importance of the card-input event/message loop until it was brought up in the video. Scary stuff for a procedural-language guy teethed on FORTRAN (I & II), ALGOL 60, and assembler.

posted by orcmid

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