Comment Feed for Channel 9 - TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/previewImages/100/540293_100x75.jpg Channel 9 - TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Anders Hejlsberg opens the developer keynote at TechDays 2010 in Belgium with: 'Trends and future directions in programming languages', on March 31st 2010. In this keynote Anders discusses the paradigms and future directions in programming languages. About Anders Hejlsberg: Anders Hejlsberg is a Technical Fellow in the Developer Division. He is an influential creator of development tools and programming languages. He is the chief designer of the C# programming language and a key participant in the development of the Microsoft .NET framework. Since its initial release in 2000, the C# programming language has been widely adopted and is now standardized by ECMA and ISO. Before his work on C# and the .NET framework, Hejlsberg was an architect for Visual J++ development and the Windows Foundation classes.  Before joining Microsoft in 1996, Hejlsberg was one of the first employees of Borland International Inc. As principal engineer, he was the original author of Turbo Pascal, a revolutionary integrated development environment, and chief architect of its successor, Delphi.  Hejlsberg co-authored "The C# Programming Language", published by Addison Wesley, and has received numerous software patents. In 2001, he was the recipient of the prestigious Dr. Dobbs Excellence in Programming Award.  He studied engineering at the Technical University of Denmark. en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:09:16 GMT Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:09:16 GMT Rev9 Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Awesome

posted by felix9

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058257780000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:22:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058257780000000 felix9 Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages "The .Net Framework has about 10,000 classes with about 100,000 methods..." Help me I'm drowning! I envy the Turbo Pascal programmer of old.

posted by DevDan

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058268200000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:40:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058268200000000 DevDan Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Thank you.  Will the c# 4.0 talk be posted also?

posted by staceyw

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058279930000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:59:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058279930000000 staceyw Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages I'd rather have 10,000 classes with about 100,000 methods than 10,000 flat files with 100,000 methods, all of which require P/Invoke.

 

After listening to the entire talk, I finally understand dynamic languages, and I understand where I'd like to use them.

 

The issue I have with PLINQ is that it's sometimeslabelled as, "concurrency for the masses" and it bothers me.  Concurrency is still hard, no matter how you slice it.  I'm just worried of juniors throwing .AsParallel() on their LINQ queries and having horrid side effects.  But also, prototyping doesn't require a Ph.D. in threading.

 

I'm sure when .NET first came out and garbage collection was introduced the same apprehension was felt regarding this carelessness, just an observation.

posted by ChrisStepaniuk

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058353130000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:01:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058353130000000 ChrisStepaniuk Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Nice talk. About dynamic languages what I find interesting is that the disadvantages of dynamic languages are disappearing - notice in Javascript that when you program in a "static style", the resulting program will be quite efficient, you pay for dynamism but if you don't use it, you don't pay very much. The new, more friendly, browser wars will push this trend to the limit.

posted by exoteric

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058364270000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:20:27 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058364270000000 exoteric Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Anders is amazing as always. I'm glad he's in charge of our future languages development. The way he mixes practicality with pragmatism and evolution almost feels like magic.

 

posted by Pop Catalin Sever

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058365920000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:23:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058365920000000 Pop Catalin Sever Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Yes, C# 4 talk is also coming later in April. Just hold on for a week or so.

posted by katriendg

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058387570000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:59:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058387570000000 katriendg Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Thanks for posting this. Belux people Smiley

 

I've featured it, as it deserves.

C

posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058402980000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:24:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058402980000000 Charles Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages how about other sessions from TechDays 2010 ??? Tongue Out

posted by felix9

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058495090000000 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 23:58:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058495090000000 felix9 Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Nit: inline caching is a very old technique from Smalltalk and Self. 

posted by Jules.dot

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058984530000000 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:34:13 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634058984530000000 Jules.dot Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages I've heard Anders give this talk before .. and Luca Bolognese gave a similar talk at PDC ...

however ... there are a few new wrinkles here  ...

 

  • an extensive discussion of DSLs - obvoiusly the team wants to add some sort of support in the language (could this be related to the change in focus of OSLO? (a product that I never understood anyway. If you cant describe a product in a sentence or two something is definately wrong)
  • immutable objects - specifcally ... isolation, purity (side effects) and immutability ... I love that Anders said "We should have better support in the language for immutability" ... clearly they're working on language features to make creating an immutable object dead easy!

posted by keithfloy

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059090170000000 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 16:30:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059090170000000 keithfloy Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages TechDays was pretty good this year. The sessions I enjoyed most were the Scott Hanselman sessions (very entertaining), the Anders Hejlsberg sessions, Bart Desmet's session about CLR 4 and Sara Ford's session about Visual Studio Tips.

posted by TommyCarlier

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059114020000000 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:10:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059114020000000 TommyCarlier Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Is it just me... or should the declarative and dynamic circles be a whole lot smaller and more contained in the concurrent circle?


It seems that the advances in the declarative and dynamic areas are mainly to enable the concurrent area. As presented, the trend is multi-core and everything needs to catchup to make that the baseline abstraction.


Congradulations to Anders, that was a very concise, interesting and enjoyable overview.


One final thought, it seemed as Anders wanted to add one more sentence about JavaScript something like "But it's still at best 2 times slowed than compiled code." To that end, can the compiler as a service create compiled code that can be agnostic as a dynamic language like JavaScript? Especially as just putting the JavaScript at the end of the html body tag (instead of header as per examples), decreases the load time of the page so much.

posted by N2Cheval

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059320660000000 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:54:26 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059320660000000 N2Cheval Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages It's my fault.

 

I read the title and thought the content would match it: 'Trends and future directions in programming languages'

 

So, what is the future in programming languages? Doing the /qParallel - all problems solved? 

 

Sorry, but this keynote is for 5-year old programming toddlers? Nothing in there, that Anders did not say before in the videos Charles did over the years? But, I am not the audience for this. I did not want to sound too harsh.

 

This sounds more like a Level 100 for marketing types who have to sell the new VS? Who is this audience?

 

There are many moments when I was shaking my head, since the old discussions are popping up - this time unchallenged. Watching the power of dynamic and functional programming languages through his old 2D-OO-glasses is great for .NET, I guess.

 

Again, it's my fault.

posted by Alex Covic

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059795910000000 Sun, 04 Apr 2010 12:06:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059795910000000 Alex Covic Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages The talk is about future directions as well, it's just that it does not contain much new information about that future - and that's all very understandable as the future is outlined in abstract terms. I think many people would have liked more details but the future is still unfolding and obviously the team does not want to reveal preliminary work, which may change many times still, in any detail. In retrospect, I think that's always been the case with previous versions. So your misunderstanding here is two-fold: 1) that the talk is not about the future and 2) that old news cannot be about the future (as if abstract plans were realized the very moment they were stated.)

 

To the point about auto-parallelization: that's a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the talk: no such thing was implied or stated - desirable as it may be. Anders just said there were many scenarios where a simple Parallel.For would be appropriate, something which is obviously true and one would be foolish to object to.

posted by exoteric

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059826910000000 Sun, 04 Apr 2010 12:58:11 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059826910000000 exoteric Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages I'd really like to see Anders' other session and also very much Bart's session.

posted by exoteric

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059878280000000 Sun, 04 Apr 2010 14:23:48 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634059878280000000 exoteric Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Starting the 12th of April they will be uploaded gradually. Latest April 20th, all sessions should be online. Cheers, Hans

posted by HansVB

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634060670670000000 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 12:24:27 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634060670670000000 HansVB Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Before uploading, please do a good job of compressing the video. It is VC-1 compression after all and the WMV-High version should not suffer posterization, blocking and other highly noticeable artifacts, making it not much better than the regular WMV version.

 

Thanks

 

posted by Corrector2

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634062791540000000 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:19:14 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634062791540000000 Corrector2 Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages Can we download the slides from some place?

posted by cdasari

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634063491020000000 Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:45:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634063491020000000 cdasari Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages The slide near the end with all of the languages on it would make an awesome evangelism sticker.

posted by Rick Minerich

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634071299920000000 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:39:52 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634071299920000000 Rick Minerich Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages The slides are available here: http://www.microsoft.com/belux/techdays/2010/videos.aspx and then enter 'Anders Hejlsberg' in the speaker search box. PPT's and videos of the other TechDays sessions are available too over there!

posted by adebruyn

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634074310830000000 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:18:03 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634074310830000000 adebruyn Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages very well!

it's insightful!

posted by googya

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634159908870000000 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:01:27 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634159908870000000 googya Re: TechDays 2010 Keynote by Anders Hejlsberg: Trends and future directions in programming languages very well !

I like ...

posted by dyfduck

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634253483090000000 Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:18:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/adebruyn/TechDays-2010-Developer-Keynote-by-Anders-Hejlsberg#c634253483090000000 dyfduck