I was amazed at first watching this video. At about the 9 min mark they start talking about how the Orcas editor prompts with variable names at the start of lines whereas you supposedly had to type them in verbatim in previous versions. That's not true at all and I'm wondering if the *PM* of the editor team doesn't know their own product very well or if they are intentionally misleading us to make Oracs look like more of an improvement than it actually is.

As for keyword completion... the keywords are not that long to type and how bad a programmer would you have to be to not remember the keywords for your language of choice? The help-tips are nice for beginners as well, but I hope there's a way to turn them off.



rhm wrote: I was amazed at first watching this video. At about the 9 min mark they start talking about how the Orcas editor prompts with variable names at the start of lines whereas you supposedly had to type them in verbatim in previous versions. That's not true at all and I'm wondering if the *PM* of the editor team doesn't know their own product very well or if they are intentionally misleading us to make Oracs look like more of an improvement than it actually is.

In VS2005, I have to type the complete variable name -- there is no intellisense showing me previously declared variables.  Is there some setting in VS2005 to enable what you are referring to?



Ben Amada wrote:  rhm wrote: I was amazed at first watching this video. At about the 9 min mark they start talking about how the Orcas editor prompts with variable names at the start of lines whereas you supposedly had to type them in verbatim in previous versions. That's not true at all and I'm wondering if the *PM* of the editor team doesn't know their own product very well or if they are intentionally misleading us to make Oracs look like more of an improvement than it actually is. In VS2005, I have to type the complete variable name -- there is no intellisense showing me previously declared variables.  Is there some setting in VS2005 to enable what you are referring to?

Yes, as I said in my comment, even going back to 2003 you could use ctrl-space to activate intellisence anywhere.

Try:

Dim aVariable As String

Then type "a" and hit ctrl-space. It's not as neat as what's been shown for orcas because the popup includes every symbol in scope that starts with the letter 'a'. But it will autocomplete when you've typed enough characters to disambiguate. In the example above typing "av" and hitting ctrl-space will complete the variable name because it's the only symbol in scope that starts with "av".

This to mee seems like its getting a little ridiculous with the intellisense. Is it really necessary to have intellisense pop up for Dim and As? I see this as overkill.



rhm wrote:  Ben Amada wrote:  rhm wrote: I was amazed at first watching this video. At about the 9 min mark they start talking about how the Orcas editor prompts with variable names at the start of lines whereas you supposedly had to type them in verbatim in previous versions. That's not true at all and I'm wondering if the *PM* of the editor team doesn't know their own product very well or if they are intentionally misleading us to make Oracs look like more of an improvement than it actually is. In VS2005, I have to type the complete variable name -- there is no intellisense showing me previously declared variables.  Is there some setting in VS2005 to enable what you are referring to? Yes, as I said in my comment, even going back to 2003 you could use ctrl-space to activate intellisence anywhere. Try: Dim aVariable As String Then type "a" and hit ctrl-space. It's not as neat as what's been shown for orcas because the popup includes every symbol in scope that starts with the letter 'a'. But it will autocomplete when you've typed enough characters to disambiguate. In the example above typing "av" and hitting ctrl-space will complete the variable name because it's the only symbol in scope that starts with "av".

Thanks for the example, it works   I guess I don't need to upgrade to VS2008 now.  J/K .... I can't wait for RTM to try out all the new features and improvements.  Thx again.

Nice Video, but losing the code snippets format after made feel unhappy about it



pre wrote: This to mee seems like its getting a little ridiculous with the intellisense. Is it really necessary to have intellisense pop up for Dim and As? I see this as overkill.

Having tried VS2008 Beta 2 it really is great! Once you try it I am sure you will love it too!

This to mee seems like its getting a little ridiculous with the intellisense. Is it really necessary to have intellisense pop up for Dim and As? I see this as overkill. Is there a way to turn off intellisense for keywords?

I'm also not sure I'm too happy with the lack of needing type declarations for variables. What happens when OptionStrict is off, is the type still implied? Its hard enough working on team projects and keeping track of other developers variables but adding on top of that a feature that negates the need for a type is going to make that process even harder. Hopefully that can be turned off as well.