Mark Boulter and Brian Pepin - Sneak peak at Cider (visual designer for Orcas, future version of Vis

also watch MSDN TV:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20051020CiderMB/manifest.xml

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=950D1EEC-5D4F-4A15-8250-D26E24B80A5D

Thanks Robert,

Saw this on MSDNTV few days back (both versions seem same, and a little cut off at the end?)

Can you ask Brian/Mark if the designer (where they were dragging the controls and changing the various properties on the form) is built using Avalon or its .Net/Win32 like the Windows Forms?

Just wondering if like Sparkle, the Cide designer is itself built on Avalon to take advantage of some of the things we get in Avalon (looking at the adorners [square thingies around the custom control towards the end of demo] it looked like it was Avalon).

-- or maybe I am just confused...since its an Avalon designer, it has to be Avalon ?

Awesome stuff...can't wait to get hands on a CTP build.

 

Very cool video.  And Scoble -- thanks for using a tripod during the opening interview part.  Did you get one with a fluid head?  It's nice and smooth!

My favorite features:
 
I'm familiar with today's Toolbox, so it's outstanding that Cider uses exactly the same drag and drop approach to get a general layout going.  I sat down to the Sparkle lab at PDC, and found it to be way different from what I'm used to, so very glad to see that creating XAML will be "business as usual" when Orcas ships.

Both Cider and Sparkle can hand changes to each other, not breaking anything that the other one has done.

Design time can be made to listen to the control's events and tweak property values in your source code on-the-fly.  Didn't know that was possible in Whidbey until now, so I'll have to update some of my WinForms controls to take advantage of that.


By the way, you guys are getting lots of mileage out of source code layout preservation!

-Lorin

would this run on an emachines T4150?

what are orcas requiremnts?

When is Orcas slated for release? Will it be shipping a couple months after Windows Vista?

Good work Robert.

Could someone tell me where I'll find more info about Orcas and Cider?

Here's some Bauhaus lyrics for programmers late at night:

All we ever wanted
was everything

All we ever got
was cold

Get up
Eat Jelly

Sandwich bars and barbed wire

Squash every week
into a day

...oh to be the cream!

Looks like the video got cut right at the end. Very cool stuff though.

i am curious about msft's development cycles. it seems like they are always already working on the next version of a product they have not released yet.

cider and orcas look very cool; although, i am just getting my teeth into vs 2005.

neat, but i'd skip into it 19 minutes to see the interesting part.

rasx wrote:

Here's some Bauhaus lyrics for programmers late at night:

All we ever wanted
was everything

All we ever got
was cold

Get up
Eat Jelly

Sandwich bars and barbed wire

Squash every week
into a day

...oh to be the cream!

Woooooooooow!... Nice to meet another bard developer Rasx...

Tonatiúh

Where can I download Cider? I can't find it everywhere or is it transformed into not yet released product? :O