Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime http://ch9files.blob.core.windows.net/ch9/e0f3/f333545b-fd0e-47db-998d-a05b9698e0f3/LangNEXT2012MartynLovellWinRT_220.jpg Channel 9 - Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime The Windows Runtime is Microsoft's new developer platform. It is designed from the ground up to give developers a wide range of choices, allowing apps to be authored in a broad range of languages—from  C++ to JavaScript, as well as Visual Basic and C#. The Runtime also includes standard ways to build hybrid apps, such as those that use a mixture of JavaScript and C++. It includes a broad range of operating system services for everything from user interfaces to networks. Apps based on the Windows Runtime are designed to be fast, fluid and responsive, so the platform includes standard required mechanisms for asynchronous programming. In this talk I'll review the Windows Runtime architecture and foundations, its relationship to programming languages and how diverse languages and the operating system can unite to build compelling apps. I'll also talk about the technical challenges of integrating the Windows Runtime into a new language and describe the attributes of a great Windows Runtime language. en Tue, 21 May 2013 13:30:08 GMT Tue, 21 May 2013 13:30:08 GMT Rev9 Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime Curious choice of presentation to keynote with for this conference. It felt very much like a BUILD presentation rather than a presentation aimed at a wider, more or less platform agnostic, academic audience. 

posted by tomkirbygreen

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694161765763467 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:22:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694161765763467 tomkirbygreen Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime I might be the exception but I'm much more interested in the Runtime itself than in the language projections.

I suppose language projections are great for application and language developers but as a system guy I'm glad to have API and libraries that allow me to interact directly with the runtime.

Let's hope we'll see more content related to the internals of the runtime (as we already have excellent technical books about Windows and COM).

BTW, Windows Internals 6th edition Part1 is available since last week, no video this time? Smiley

posted by LordKain

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694167783892661 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:32:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694167783892661 LordKain Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime

, dot_tom wrote

Curious choice of presentation to keynote with for this conference. It felt very much like a BUILD presentation rather than a presentation aimed at a wider, more or less platform agnostic, academic audience. 

I felt it made perfect sense for this audience: BUILD is about application developers and Lang.next is about language developers, so what is more natural than present language developers with a little bit of Windows Runtime, so even more languages can potentially target the new Windows platform without even needing to go through .NET.

posted by exoteric

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694190829194170 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:11:22 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694190829194170 exoteric Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime The second half of the presentation was tailored precisely for the crowd on hand - language designers and implementers. Further, the call for more projections segment of this presentation represents net new information not shared at BUILD..

Martyn made it clear that we not only want language designers and implementers to add WinRT to their list of target platforms for their language and toolchains, but we will help and advise. I'd recommend you watch the second part of this session again, dot_tom.

Open arms on this side of the fence when it comes to targeting WinRT with as many programming languages as possible.

Best,

C

posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694436323170490 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:00:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694436323170490 Charles Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime @LordKain:  I sense a Going Deep with Windows engineers to dig into exactly this... Smiley

C

posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694436775007549 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:01:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694436775007549 Charles Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime @LordKain: In all honesty, without the language projections, the windows runtime is not really that fun to use. There are so many aspect of winrt that are simplified by the language projection - as a simple example, try programming a winrt app without using await/promises/ppl.

 

The strength of the language projections is that using the language projection takes what is nominally a fairly complicated set of constructs and simplifies them dramatically.

 

posted by Larry Osterman

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694997796875846 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:36:19 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634694997796875846 Larry Osterman Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime @Larry Osterman:With all due respect, I think quite the opposite. Interacting with the runtime in plain C or with some lightweight C++ library (WRL) is not only really fun but also the only way to start understanding how the runtime works. It is obviously a poor choice to write any real world applications (hence the C++ projection) but as I said I'm not an application developer and WinRT is at the top of my abstraction stack.

posted by LordKain

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695026925431576 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:24:52 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695026925431576 LordKain Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime
The essence of this statement is beyond me. While I could agree on the "fun" part in general, since way back I used to dig into technical details just for fun, it is no where productivity, and really just for fun... But why would it be the only way of understanding how the runtime works?! Maybe you should practice other ways of learning stuff other than to write nasty low level code about it...

posted by Luna

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695096377897943 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:20:37 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695096377897943 Luna Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime posted by Luna

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695098258604496 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:23:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695098258604496 Luna Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime @Luna: I would love if you could tell me some other ways to learn about the internals of the runtime without dealing with it at a low level. Thanks!

posted by LordKain

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695113761509527 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:49:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695113761509527 LordKain Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime I meanwhat do you want to know? The real internals that are not visible to the outside? If so, I agree that hacking around might be the only way. But doing is really just for fun, since it is of no practical use. The internals may change at any time... If you want to know about the real internals I suggest you apply for a job there :D

posted by Luna

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695884870938387 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:14:47 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695884870938387 Luna Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime @Luna: "I meanwhat do you want to know? The real internals that are not visible to the outside?"

Precisely Smiley

posted by LordKain

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695985690010593 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:02:49 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634695985690010593 LordKain Re: Martyn Lovell: The Windows Runtime What about third party languages and the Windows Store?

posted by nico159

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634696786785333669 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:17:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/The-Windows-Runtime#c634696786785333669 nico159