??? Surface is the next big thing????

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2013/01/09/is-apples-iphone-no-longer-cool-to-teens/

I don't know why she thinks Surface is the next big thing among youngsters. But, hope that is true.

Teenagers are strange. Jeggings anyone?

-Josh

Apple years ago had the obviously more stylish GUI and overall look of their products. Microsoft may have been too aggressive on the style subject, but I think it can be said that if you just just want something that looks good (without bringing up function) it has surpassed Apple in that aspect, even if it hasn't been touted as such. I'm not exactly fond of having to do an internet search to find out how to shut down my computer or not have any idea how long it's going to take windows update to download everything, but I am very curious if the masses will get used to, and eventually embrace the look Microsoft is pushing.

@gcorcoran: Why would you turn off your computer? Anyways, it would be a nifty idea to use the file copy dialog for Windows Update downloads.

-Josh

23 minutes ago, JoshRoss wrote

@gcorcoran: Why would you turn off your computer?

Please don't ask. We want to do it, ok. I have tried sleep and hibernate. And ultimately I moved back to shutdown. Because in the end of it all, when something bad happen, I don't have to worry about those cases when I have clean FAST startup everyday.

The more appropriate question is, why not turn off your computer, it is fast anyway?

@magicalclick:

7 hours ago, magicalclick wrote

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2013/01/09/is-apples-iphone-no-longer-cool-to-teens/

I don't know why she thinks Surface is the next big thing among youngsters. But, hope that is true.

My kids (girls, 11 & 14) still think Apple is the coolest thing.

Maybe that is my fault for telling them that Apple isn't cool anymore?

Sigh.

@Ian2: Have you tried agreeing with them so see if that will turn them off?  Next time they listen to music on iTunes, tell them that you got that one too having seen it in their iTunes list; tell them it's your favourite song now.

Herbie

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/01/14/rim-rises-to-highest-level-in-almost-a-year-as-apple-stumbles/

32 minutes ago, Dr Herbie wrote

@Ian2: Have you tried agreeing with them so see if that will turn them off?  Next time they listen to music on iTunes, tell them that you got that one too having seen it in their iTunes list; tell them it's your favourite song now.

Herbie

Its a good tactic - I think I managed to turn them right off Rizzlekicks (sorry lads) when I ended up playing them more than my kids did.

Hmmmm .... maybe I need to buy another iPhone and make sure I am on it (and speaking loudly) when I pick them up from school ....?

Lol analysts. We'll see.

7 hours ago, magicalclick wrote

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Please don't ask. We want to do it, ok. I have tried sleep and hibernate. And ultimately I moved back to shutdown. Because in the end of it all, when something bad happen, I don't have to worry about those cases when I have clean FAST startup everyday.

The more appropriate question is, why not turn off your computer, it is fast anyway?

I have a button for this on my PC. It's super easy to push.

@Bas: The button on my PC puts it to sleep and doesn't switch it off.  To switch it off I have to hold the button for 5 seconds and risk crashing the hard disk.

Herbie

@Ian2:I doubt talking on the phone loudly would deter them, unfortunately.

It is something to consider, though, the choice of generations. 

There can be a lot of factors for such changes too... maybe using a Surface is considered "rebellious" because everybody is using an iPad (including stogy old parents! yikes!) or Android.  Or maybe it could be that it looks very different.

@Dr Herbie: Why not change it to power off then? Or do you use both? Granted, I'd love it if computers came with a button for sleep and a separate one for power.

41 minutes ago, Hometoy wrote

There can be a lot of factors for such changes too... maybe using a Surface is considered "rebellious" because everybody is using an iPad (including stogy old parents! yikes!) or Android.  Or maybe it could be that it looks very different.

Apple style is fashion. People flock to it initially, but then at some point everyone has it, and then it becomes uncool. No one can stand out; thus, people abandon ship to get on the next wave, with the most loyal fans staying behind.

What I don't understand is this feeling expressed by some that things will always stay the same, that companies that dominate the hearts of many will most likely continue to dominate. Things change (re: MS dominance)...heck, it can even be that Apple loses its mojo for a couple of years and regains it. Anything can happen.

Why Surface? Maybe people actually do find Microsoft cool now (my i-loving friends in the HCI world do). Its brand index certainly suggests so.

2 hours ago, Bas wrote

@Dr Herbie: Why not change it to power off then? Or do you use both? Granted, I'd love it if computers came with a button for sleep and a separate one for power.

I really wish Microsoft would make stuff like this more accessible to the common user. They were making progress with the notification tray and control panel (categorization, searchability, etc.) but then along came W8... Maybe they can get it right in PC Settings in the Window 8 Store App environment but leaving stuff split between the two "control panels" really makes the beautiful Surface not so beautiful.

11 minutes ago, DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

Maybe they can get it right in PC Settings in the Window 8 Store App environment but leaving stuff split between the two "control panels" really makes the beautiful Surface not so beautiful.

Or not separate things that are so related. A metro browser and its desktop counterpart should talk to each other. Separating them isn't exactly "honest" in a design sense.

16 hours ago, JoshRoss wrote

@gcorcoran: Why would you turn off your computer? 

-Josh

I assume that you do not have a Surface RT? Something power drains the battery if you leave it in sleep or standby mode. Reviews have shown that even with a battery 3 times larger than the new iPad, it still only gets half the standby time. Several times I have left my Surface for a few days unplugged (which you should be able to do like an iPad) only to come back to a completely dead battery. So yes, in my opinion it is necessary to be able to locate and use the shutdown option in Windows RT.

20 hours ago, magicalclick wrote

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2013/01/09/is-apples-iphone-no-longer-cool-to-teens/

I don't know why she thinks Surface is the next big thing among youngsters. But, hope that is true.