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Andre Da Costa
Created with PhotoDraw 2000 V2
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Sven Groot
Don't worry... I'm a doctor.
Unlikely that this is beta 2 already, so close after beta 1 and months before we were supposed to get beta 2.
And before anyone says it, it has been quite common in previous Windows betas for interim builds to claim to be the next milestone even when they're not.
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ddewbofh
And so the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
I'm just happy the sidebar's back. It's starting to look like MS has found the look they want, great thing they've moved away from the nauseating Fisher Price color scheme of Windows XP.
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Andre Da Costa
Created with PhotoDraw 2000 V2
Sven Groot wrote:
Unlikely that this is beta 2 already, so close after beta 1 and months before we were supposed to get beta 2.
And before anyone says it, it has been quite common in previous Windows betas for interim builds to claim to be the next milestone even when they're not.
Actually, I should make a correction, they "pre-release beta 2" screenshots. Its still officially the beta 2 milestone that technical testers will receive. -
So Microsoft have spend the last four years working on Vista with up to a thousand man hours if not more and they have added transparent windows and an ugly version of explorer?
Just for your information (Microsoft, Gnome et al) I am NOT impressed by transparent or translucent windows or controls... In fact in my opinion they are very counter-intuitive and there are far bigger problems facing the users than "Why can't I make Internet Explorer translucent with my background?".... duh!
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scobleizer
I'm the video guy
>So Microsoft have spend the last four years working on Vista with up to a thousand man hours if not more and they have added transparent windows and an ugly version of explorer?
That's not all. We rewrote the audio stack. The networking stack. The presentation stack. And a few other things.
Come back Tuesday and let's talk.
By the way, I LOVE the new UI. I can't stand XP's UI anymore after using Windows Vista for a while. -
Yes, but the audio stack, network stack and the new presentation layer have very little real impact on the end user. I mean on a normal workstation the networking stack is NOT something that limits by abilities.
I doubt you will be able to impress me enough at this point. Not to mention all the bad stuff I know about Vista already (DRM, 'Secure Computing', New Activation Service et al). -
Andre Da Costa
Created with PhotoDraw 2000 V2
scobleizer wrote:>
By the way, I LOVE the new UI. I can't stand XP's UI anymore after using Windows Vista for a while.
Well, I still have to use XP everyday, so I just have stand it.
You talk about the new UI, it seems like what we are seeing now in the PDC pre-release beta 2 is actually it, "the final ui", nothing else except for the added sidebar and transparent taskbar.
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Tyler Brown
Bullets change governments far surer than votes.
Well then what exactly would it take to impress you at this point in the game? There's been ample opportunity to give feedback on what you would like to see...Manip wrote:I doubt you will be able to impress me enough at this point. Not to mention all the bad stuff I know about Vista already (DRM, 'Secure Computing', New Activation Service et al).
Edit: BTW, this task bar screenshot is a welcome addition! Good job! I absolutely love the new UI!
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Mmm, are you going to release beta 2 on tuesday?scobleizer wrote:Come back Tuesday and let's talk.
By the way, I LOVE the new UI. I can't stand XP's UI anymore after using Windows Vista for a while.
I bet you aren't 
Thre seems to be thousands who never standed Xp's ui, why don't we make a MUG of 'XP ui haters'?
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Those screenshots can't represent the unique new features of the UI. Because if they do, Microsoft is sunk. That's just see-through, black XP with a skinned Google sidebar installed.
Honestly, no one, except developers, cares about a re-written stack of anything. I'm waiting to find out about "Larry's feature". And yes, even when they announce the official name of the feature I'm still going to call it "Larry's feature". -
Andre Da Costa
Created with PhotoDraw 2000 V2
Paul Thurrott posted an article with a table showing a list of whats in each edition of Windows Vista, Ultimate Edition has everything including the kitchen sink, it even has more than Enterprise Edition.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp -
Tyler Brown wrote:Well then what exactly would it take to impress you at this point in the game? There's been ample opportunity to give feedback on what you would like to see...
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Larsenal
ready to give an answer
So with the addition of a sidebar, I guess that means we'll have another set of "typical" browser widths to target. OR, will it mean that a 1024 resolution uses 224 pixels for the sidebar, so we're back to 800?
Yeah. Yeah. Flexible designs are good, but I would imagine that even C9 would have some horizontal scroll on a Vista machine at 1024 with a sidebar. -
Andrei P
Geekpedia.com
Larsenal wrote:So with the addition of a sidebar, I guess that means we'll have another set of "typical" browser widths to target. OR, will it mean that a 1024 resolution uses 224 pixels for the sidebar, so we're back to 800?
Yeah. Yeah. Flexible designs are good, but I would imagine that even C9 would have some horizontal scroll on a Vista machine at 1024 with a sidebar.
I believe that one who will have the necessary hardware to run Windows Vista at the end of 2006, will also have a decent 17" or 19" LCD with a 1280x1024 resolution. -
Andre Da Costa
Created with PhotoDraw 2000 V2
I hope the sidebar has a hover over feature which when selected hovers over a maximized window without the need to resize.
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Tyler Brown
Bullets change governments far surer than votes.
Technically we've all been given the opportunity to give feedback. These forums are monitored by Microsoft, and it has been stated numerous times that the forums are being read by many people at Microsoft. Posting your point of view here would have been an opportunity to provide your feedback. Just like many of us have done.Manip wrote:I have been given NO opportunity to give feedback.
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Andre Da Costa wrote:
I feel obliged to point out that it's not the beta2 UI, but a preliminary snapshot.
There are MANY teams (including mine) who didn't get their code into that build (we went in about a week after the 5219 snapshot).
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