rjdohnert wrote:

Should Beer28 be banned?

gswitz wrote:

Ok with me, but I think we should create a rule around appropriate behavior rather than just starting to arbitrarily kick people out. Additionally, we might wish to give him an chance to adhear to the rule before kicking him out. -- like warning after 10 strictly negative and unuseful posts - kicked out after 15? Something like that... where the group that decides what counts is clearly defined.

gswitz wrote:

like warning after 10 strictly negative and unuseful posts - kicked out after 15? Something like that... where the group that decides what counts is clearly defined.

Tom Servo wrote:

I think after the closing stunt in the Paris in Flames thread, it warrants a ban.

Manip wrote:

Tom Servo wrote: I think after the closing stunt in the Paris in Flames thread, it warrants a ban.

I just read that and it was SERIOUSLY out of line to say to anyone let alone a mod.

JKelley wrote:

all involved.  Maybe if people stop attacking him every time he speaks (even when he's wrong)

Beer28 wrote:

I don't equate terrorism with civilian riots and protests or whatever, and frankly no matter how bad it gets in paris, I feel good about going at that price.

If only there could be some riots in Tokyo next year around this time in offseason. I want to see that little electronics village, where you can get all sorts of gadgets before they hit the market.

Beer28 wrote:

Fine then.

Beer28 wrote:

Fine then. And please continue to abuse your mod powers.

Beer28 wrote:

you're a backwards british retard. and you don't know squat about code. Seriously.

JKelley wrote:

I'm going to pop my two cents in...  I say no, despite how frustrated I get reading some of his posts.  There will always be people like him around and we have to learn to live with it.

Just a thought....

j0217995 wrote:

I would like to see an ignore list moved up the request list for this site.  It would be wonderful

Programous wrote:

Do we have any solid proof that Beer28 is actually a person, and a highly advanced artificial intelligence that had the misfortune of learning about humans by reading Slashdot comments?

Just a thought....

Maurits wrote:

Me too... can we make this a poll?

Michael Griffiths wrote:

Maurits wrote:Me too... can we make this a poll?

I dislike Ignore lists because - although they would be useful for individuals - they would make reading the forums for a new member, or someone not registered, mildly confusing.

Maurits wrote:

OK, so that's one in favor, and one against...

rjdohnert wrote:

We can ruffle his feathers and I know he would be back as Orangie or any of his alternate personalities or get his buddy Mario Zucca to hijack msdn.it or windowsvista.af similar to the way he had lincrosoft.it registered as a proverbial spit in Microsofts face.

Karim wrote:

he got a cease-and-desist from Microsoft

Beer28 wrote:

Microsoft has not sent us anything, and I do not personally know Mr. Zucca.

Beer28 wrote:

TommyCarlier wrote: Beer, I don't remember ever reading Jonathan insult someone. Can you point me to such an insult?

I could search for it, but i'd rather not. And to karim, I don't know him, and that's a whole truth.

Beer28 wrote:

TommyCarlier wrote: Beer, I don't remember ever reading Jonathan insult someone. Can you point me to such an insult?

I could search for it, but i'd rather not. And to karim, I don't know him, and that's a whole truth.

Beer28 wrote:

whatever.

Beer28 wrote:

search for it then, it's not my responsibility to link you to various threads where Jonathanh has insulted me.

Tom Servo wrote:

Beer28 wrote: search for it then, it's not my responsibility to link you to various threads where Jonathanh has insulted me.

You must be a great peer in discussions. You know, why would someone making claims actually need to back up those? I mean, really!

JChung2006 wrote:

No, I don't think he should be banned.

90% of his posts are uninformed, boring anti-Microsoft, pro-Linux polemic, and the 10% of his posts that don't suck invariably get turned into anti-beer28 threads by people upset by the crap he normally posts.

Honestly, I wonder why he bothers coming here.  Maybe he gets off on being a contrarian.  Maybe he thinks that coming here is his contribution to the Linux and open source software holy crusade against the infidels of Microsoft and proprietary software.

Threads like this only encourage him.  So the next time you feel like bashing beer28 for his ridiculous posturing, just move onto the next thread.  Forget about him.

Michael Griffiths wrote:

I dislike Ignore lists because - although they would be useful for individuals - they would make reading the forums for a new member, or someone not registered, mildly confusing.

Beer28 wrote:

Karim wrote: Beer28: You look it up, I don't have time to.

I have time, I never wrote that I didn't. I'm just not going to.

Karim wrote:

Beer28 wrote: Karim wrote: Beer28: You look it up, I don't have time to. I have time, I never wrote that I didn't. I'm just not going to.

LOL So you're not just being a jerk, you're being a petulant jerk?

Beer28 wrote:

Jonathanh maliciously attacked and insulted me several times, and I thought I should return the compliment finally. Regardless of his mod status.

dahat wrote:

Beer28 wrote: Jonathanh maliciously attacked and insulted me several times, and I thought I should return the compliment finally. Regardless of his mod status.

So your entire defense for your badmouthing Jonathanh was ‘he did it first’? I can honestly say this is the first time I’ve heard that as an excuse for doing something since... 2nd grade where one classmate hit another who hit them first.

AndyC wrote:

Beer28 wrote: Today I can't even work on it because I have to finish a larger project.

Exactly, the army of giant atomic monsters is more important. Spyware can wait.

No no no, you've got it all wrong. FIRST it's suing Dell out of existence. THEN it's earning one MILLION dollars from his Linux security consultancy, based on his l33t hack of SELinux. THEN it's the army of giant atomic monsters.

The malware millions come fourth.  Or fifth, if his mom makes him clean his room first.

irascian wrote:

Michael Griffiths wrote: I dislike Ignore lists because - although they would be useful for individuals - they would make reading the forums for a new member, or someone not registered, mildly confusing.

I don't understand this. An ignore list would be personal to a user and customisable by that user. Anybody new or not registered would see all the postings. They would only be able to ignore the postings of certain users by adding those users to their "Ignore list" which would be part of their profile.

jonathanh wrote:

This is the post that sent Beer over the top last time:

AndyC wrote: Beer28 wrote: Today I can't even work on it because I have to finish a larger project. Exactly, the army of giant atomic monsters is more important. Spyware can wait.

No no no, you've got it all wrong. FIRST it's suing Dell out of existence. THEN it's earning one MILLION dollars from his Linux security consultancy, based on his l33t hack of SELinux. THEN it's the army of giant atomic monsters.

The malware millions come fourth.  Or fifth, if his mom makes him clean his room first.

Edit: I'm guessing the followup didn't help either

ScanIAm wrote:

Seriously, I expect childish unprofessionalism from the unpaid members of the forums, but I guess I wasn't wrong about my 'mod' predictions.

Good to see you've grown up over the last few months.

Beer28 wrote:

Jonathanh maliciously attacked and insulted me several times, and I thought I should return the compliment finally. Regardless of his mod status.

ScanIAm wrote:

Good to see you've grown up over the last few months.

Manip wrote:

ScanIAm wrote: Seriously, I expect childish unprofessionalism from the unpaid members of the forums, but I guess I wasn't wrong about my 'mod' predictions. Good to see you've grown up over the last few months.

Yeah, I agree, mods on Channel9 should be robots... I mean the fact that these people are human sucks.. They make mistakes and let their emotions dictate their actions...

Manip wrote:

ScanIAm wrote: Seriously, I expect childish unprofessionalism from the unpaid members of the forums, but I guess I wasn't wrong about my 'mod' predictions. Good to see you've grown up over the last few months.

Yeah, I agree, mods on Channel9 should be robots... I mean the fact that these people are human sucks.. They make mistakes and let their emotions dictate their actions...

Charles wrote:

He's done nothing that requires the banning of his account.

C

ScanIAm wrote:

Whatever.  This entire thread is concerned with 'banning' someone.  I'm going to guess that JonathanH is one of the few people who could actually ban someone and rather than do so, he'd rather mock him. 

And, just in case you missed it, he edited the message TO ADD MORE MOCKERAGE, not remove it. 

I guess modding is a priviledge with no responsibility...

jonathanh wrote:

ScanIAm wrote: Whatever.  This entire thread is concerned with 'banning' someone.  I'm going to guess that JonathanH is one of the few people who could actually ban someone and rather than do so, he'd rather mock him.  And, just in case you missed it, he edited the message TO ADD MORE MOCKERAGE, not remove it.  I guess modding is a priviledge with no responsibility...

Nope, I have no power to ban anyone. That's strictly limited to the core Channel 9 team.

Charles wrote:

Manip wrote: Yeah, I agree, mods on Channel9 should be robots... I mean the fact that these people are human sucks.. They make mistakes and let their emotions dictate their actions...

This is a human-centric place. I'd like for us to consider granting mod privleges to more Niners before creating robots. As always, self-moderation is the preferred tactic and it has, for the most part, worked. Consider the number of posts requiring moderation vs those that did not. Speaks volumes to how great this community is.

Keep on posting,
C

Maurits wrote:

irascian wrote: Michael Griffiths wrote: I dislike Ignore lists because - although they would be useful for individuals - they would make reading the forums for a new member, or someone not registered, mildly confusing. I don't understand this. An ignore list would be personal to a user and customisable by that user. Anybody new or not registered would see all the postings. They would only be able to ignore the postings of certain users by adding those users to their "Ignore list" which would be part of their profile.

I think the confusion would arise from conversations like this:

Dramatis Personae: A, B, C

A ignores C.  No other "ignore" entries exist.

A: I like waffles.
B: I like waffles too.  They're yummy with syrup.
C: Waffles taste like three-month-old nuclear waste.
A: I completely agree.

Manip wrote:

Charles wrote: Manip wrote: Yeah, I agree, mods on Channel9 should be robots... I mean the fact that these people are human sucks.. They make mistakes and let their emotions dictate their actions... This is a human-centric place. I'd like for us to consider granting mod privleges to more Niners before creating robots. As always, self-moderation is the preferred tactic and it has, for the most part, worked. Consider the number of posts requiring moderation vs those that did not. Speaks volumes to how great this community is. Keep on posting, C

Wow ... ... It almost scares me that you take my sarcasm seriously... Just how obvious do I have to be with sarcasm for people to get it. I guess you just can't be funny over the 'net.

ScanIAm wrote:

jonathanh wrote: This is the post that sent Beer over the top last time: AndyC wrote: Beer28 wrote: Today I can't even work on it because I have to finish a larger project. Exactly, the army of giant atomic monsters is more important. Spyware can wait. No no no, you've got it all wrong. FIRST it's suing Dell out of existence. THEN it's earning one MILLION dollars from his Linux security consultancy, based on his l33t hack of SELinux. THEN it's the army of giant atomic monsters. The malware millions come fourth.  Or fifth, if his mom makes him clean his room first. Edit: I'm guessing the followup didn't help either

Seriously, I expect childish unprofessionalism from the unpaid members of the forums, but I guess I wasn't wrong about my 'mod' predictions.

Good to see you've grown up over the last few months.

androidi wrote:

With ignore would come the need for either threaded replies or a one line small note to who are you replying to, this would be possible by adding additional parameter to the reply button which passes the id of the message you are replying to (even when not quoting anyone) and use that to add automatically a line "In reply to Maurits..." to the text editor. If user isn't actually replying to another user then (s)he could remove that line manually.

Karim wrote:

I didn't see Jonathan's text in red, so I assume he was posting as a "human being."  He's allowed to do that, isn't he?

Cornelius Ellsonpeter wrote:

I just want to personally thank Mr. Beer for taking a whiz all over my French rioting thread (aka "Paris in Flames").  I don't understand the moderation on this board, especially when the thread ends with someone being called a "British retard". 

Perhaps it shows a lack of discretion on the part of both Mr. Beer and the operators of this site themselves.  Or, as they are referred to above the "Core 9 Team".  At what point does Mr. Scoble realize these verbal attacks solve nothing? At what point does Mr. Torre realize that the banning of a user such as Orbit86 (which came quickly), is in sharp contrast to a user such as Mr. Beer, who is allowed to go on and on and on? Does somebody need to root through the Channel 9 search engine and accumulate evidence of his abuses?

If being a moderator only leads to the ability to "lock threads", it is pretty useless in the case of Mr. Beer.  For others, they grasp the lesson of having their threads "locked".

Charles wrote:

Orbit86 was banned for attacking users. Beer 28, as opinionated and sophomoric as he seems to be, does not attack Niners.

Cornelius Ellsonpeter wrote:

Charles wrote: Orbit86 was banned for attacking users. Beer 28, as opinionated and sophomoric as he seems to be, does not attack Niners.

Absolutely amazing.

How many threads do you actually read here? Do you only appear when someone e-mails you? Do you need someone to compile a list of the times when he did insult someone? I'm sure the community would readily respond with a list of threads/posts where this has happened. If railroading/hijacking threads into the ground does not count for anything, I cannot imagine what is going to happen if more people start pursuing this avenue. 

Are you giving the users here a green light then to hijack threads? Just so long as we don't insult anybody?

scobleizer wrote:

Cornelius Ellsonpeter wrote: Charles wrote: Orbit86 was banned for attacking users. Beer 28, as opinionated and sophomoric as he seems to be, does not attack Niners. Absolutely amazing. How many threads do you actually read here? Do you only appear when someone e-mails you? Do you need someone to compile a list of the times when he did insult someone? I'm sure the community would readily respond with a list of threads/posts where this has happened. If railroading/hijacking threads into the ground does not count for anything, I cannot imagine what is going to happen if more people start pursuing this avenue.  Are you giving the users here a green light then to hijack threads? Just so long as we don't insult anybody?

No one emailed me, I just showed up here all by myself.

That said, it does help to get some email once in a while, particularly when you see something that you think should be fixed. Documentation does help in decision making. And knowing about it does help too!

That said, I like a diverse forum that discusses diverse ideas. If we ban Beer, what will that bring us? Is that better than what we have?

Beer28 wrote:

Paris being in flames had the side effect of driving down airfare from North America to France. I know because i got round trip non stop tickets for $339 a person.

That is relevant.

As soon as I saw there was trouble, I looked up travelocity because I was hoping that the fares would be very cheap. Riots happen everywhere. They happened right here in this city at the G8 summit 2 or 3 years ago.

This wasn't a terrorist event, and I don't feel bad getting low fares because of it.

Riots are public manifestations of discontent, and there's not all that much wrong with it.

EDIT:
Wasn't the storming of the bastille, in effect a Parisian riot?
Was that all bad?
I feel safe going to paris, in the middle of a riot. Yes.

Beer28 wrote:

If it weren't for riots and public manifestations, sometimes people don't get heard. When it gets to the point of a riot, it's a dire situation. I don't mind the riot atmosphere as much as most people would.

Karim wrote:

Beer28 wrote: If it weren't for riots and public manifestations, sometimes people don't get heard. When it gets to the point of a riot, it's a dire situation. I don't mind the riot atmosphere as much as most people would.

Of course you don't mind.  You're a riot instigator, which is why there are multiple threads asking whether you should be banned.

Cornelius Ellsonpeter wrote:

Charles wrote: Orbit86 was banned for attacking users. Beer 28, as opinionated and sophomoric as he seems to be, does not attack Niners.

Absolutely amazing.

How many threads do you actually read here? Do you only appear when someone e-mails you? Do you need someone to compile a list of the times when he did insult someone? I'm sure the community would readily respond with a list of threads/posts where this has happened. If railroading/hijacking threads into the ground does not count for anything, I cannot imagine what is going to happen if more people start pursuing this avenue. 

Are you giving the users here a green light then to hijack threads? Just so long as we don't insult anybody?

Manip wrote:

Karim wrote: Beer28 wrote: If it weren't for riots and public manifestations, sometimes people don't get heard. When it gets to the point of a riot, it's a dire situation. I don't mind the riot atmosphere as much as most people would. Of course you don't mind.  You're a riot instigator, which is why there are multiple threads asking whether you should be banned.

Then what would that make you, a tool?

Charles wrote:

I read as many threads as possible, spend much more time here than most people, we are not banning Beer28.

Beer, will you please stop hi-jacking threads? Please keep comments relevant to thread context. Thanks

Beer28 wrote:

Paris being in flames had the side effect of driving down airfare from North America to France. I know because i got round trip non stop tickets for $339 a person.

That is relevant.

Beer28 wrote:

I do not agree that riots are such a terrible thing. The original poster does not.

Beer28 wrote:

~ $350US round trip non-stop baby. Burn baby burn.....

I wish rioters could burn every city down this year, we'd turn into vagabond globetrotters.

Cornelius Ellsonpeter wrote:

Side by side, these comments are quite telling. According to Mr. Beer's logic, everything he says is relevant.  So, let me get this straight, if a user comes in here, does not insult people, but comes up with creative, RELEVANT ways to completely hijack a thread, it is acceptable?

I'm gathering that the Core Team of Channel9 does not have the discernment to pick up on Mr. Beer's clever, yet relentless, attempts to frustrate the mass majority of viewers here.

Beer28 wrote:

EDIT: In a post that Jonathanh deleted, I additionally commented, that I would love to see that electronics village with all the new gadgets in Tokyo. I would not hesitate to go in a heartbeat should I get direct non stop round trip tickets due to a riot, nor would being in the midst of it bother me too much.

Beer28 wrote:

EDIT: In a post that Jonathanh deleted, I additionally commented, that I would love to see that electronics village with all the new gadgets in Tokyo. I would not hesitate to go in a heartbeat should I get direct non stop round trip tickets due to a riot, nor would being in the midst of it bother me too much.

Beer28 wrote:

If only there could be some riots in Tokyo next year around this time in offseason. I want to see that little electronics village, where you can get all sorts of gadgets before they hit the market.

Beer28 wrote:

Karim, yes, I was overjoyed because of the discounts. In retrospect, I probably should have toned it down a little.

Maurits wrote:

C: [ you are ignoring C's posts ]

Tom Servo wrote:

Maurits wrote: C: [ you are ignoring C's posts ]

No, you aren't. Why? Because C's tripe is ultimately going to show up as quote everywhere all over the thread.

Beer28 wrote:

sorry thread creator, I got carried away. There.

Beer28 wrote:

I'm still elated I got low fares due to a parisian riot, and no I would not help the rioters, but I would continue a trip in the midst of a riot, because rioting doesn't bother me very much.

Maurits wrote:

Could be... if someone quotes C...

Beer28 wrote:

Additionally, I'm partly to blame because I really shouldn't reply when karim, cybermagellan or dahat posts the token leaf node.

BenZilla wrote:

P.S. anybody who uses windows is stupid.