Hi guys,
does anybody know how the final Vista boot sequence is going to look like? Right now it seems as if there is the old known "progress" bar thing that moves around (like in WinXP), but without logo. After that for like half a second a nice new logo pops up and
then we have the cool new login screen.
I was wondering if there are plans to get rid of this "progress" bar and bring up one single logo (the "half second nice logo" would be cool, but I can't really see it. It's to short on the screen.) that stays as long as we come to the login screen, with perhaps
some information, what is going on under the hood.
I really like the shutdown behaviour of Windows XP. Telling us that now the system saves the state etc. Although the shutdown screen of Windows XP was a lot nicer. That dialog said also that the services are now stopped etc. That was cool. Why can't something
like this not be part of the boot sequence too.
Mac OS X has that for long time. Also Linux has it. Although in Linux it's more a text thing. But it would be great to have something like Mac OS X has... That would look soooo great, and make people keen to know what system is booting...
The Windows boot screens are annoying. Their message is: well there is something going on, but who knows what is going on and we don't know how long it is going to take. If there is a progress bar, why is Microsoft not splitting the progress of booting up in
some pieces and advance that bar when one of the pieces is completed?
We need transparency also there. Would be nice, just an idea.
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littleguru
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Sven Groot
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littleguru wrote:The Windows boot screens are annoying. Their message is: well there is something going on, but who knows what is going on and we don't know how long it is going to take. If there is a progress bar, why is Microsoft not splitting the progress of booting up in some pieces and advance that bar when one of the pieces is completed?
That's what Win2k did. The problem is that under XP and later much of the boot process is asynchronous (that's one of the reasons XP boots so much faster than 2k), which I suppose makes it hard to tell overall progress. -
littleguru
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Well, OK. But a nicer logo etc would be nice... Why is the video driver not loaded immediately (or one of the first things) and then shown a full res logo etc.
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W3bbo
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littleguru wrote:I don't understand why all other can and Windows can't...
Because it's the baseline, all video cards thesedays have to work with some standard 640x480x16-color interface.
Microsoft could have made a 800x600x24-bit boot logo, I don't know why they didn't though.
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W3bbo wrote:
littleguru wrote: I don't understand why all other can and Windows can't...
Because it's the baseline, all video cards thesedays have to work with some standard 640x480x16-color interface.
Microsoft could have made a 800x600x24-bit boot logo, I don't know why they didn't though.
My guess? Because it would have required loading a 1.4M bitmap to show it, which slows down system boot (and if it was compressed, it would take CPU time to decompress it).
Also, the system isn't fully initialized when those graphics are displayed, so...
You'll also note that the Mac and Linux take somewhat longer than Windows to boot...
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littleguru
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Hi Larry,
well I understand that point... But what is more frustrating:
1) waiting, don't know when something finishes and having nothing nice to look at.
2) waiting and see a nice progressbar with a logo etc...For me the second option is more convenient, because I know where I am and what the system does... The nice logo makes me also think: wow what a nice thing do I have here...
A system booting with a nice screen etc. (let's take again Mac OS X) makes me think: wow those guys are real professionals. They did a nice thing and they know how to do it.
While the screen 5 times or even more going back to black and showing some new logo/picture/something and going back to black again makes me think: what the h*ll are they doing. Aren't they able to bring up a stable window for all the boot process, which shows me (eventually) the progress??
For me (having a fast machine) looks the Vista boot sequence like that now:
1) BIOS
2) black screen
3) waiting
4) black screen with progress bar.
5) waiting again. The fan starts to run... Well something is going on, perhaps.
6) black screen again.
7) nice logo (vista logo with light) for 0.5 seconds
8) black again
9) login screen (looks nice)
10) login screen (after having entered the password) fading out.
11) black again
12) login screen pops up for like 0.5 seconds again - didn't the screen fade out before??
13) black again
14) desktop
... Well this is strange, isn't it? -
CannotResolveSymbol
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It's my understanding that the final boot screen won't appear until Vista RTMs, so just be patient.
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balupton
I'm a actually a bot.
well I understand that point... But what is more frustrating:
1) waiting, don't know when something finishes and having nothing nice to look at.
2) waiting and see a nice progressbar with a logo etc...
Haha, what about turn it on, grab a cup of joe, then come back to a ready to use computer
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Chadk
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balupton wrote:well I understand that point... But what is more frustrating:
1) waiting, don't know when something finishes and having nothing nice to look at.
2) waiting and see a nice progressbar with a logo etc...
Haha, what about turn it on, grab a cup of joe, then come back to a ready to use computer
I do that. But really, theres like no time to do anything while waiting. It only takes 20 seconds max. And then i can login.
PLEASE make the system take longer to boot... Just kidding.
I dont see a problem, to be honest. But i think its lame that the progess bar behave like.. eekk -
littleguru
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The flickering is also weird... as mentioned in an earlier post.
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rjdohnert
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littleguru wrote:Hi Larry,
well I understand that point... But what is more frustrating:
1) waiting, don't know when something finishes and having nothing nice to look at.
2) waiting and see a nice progressbar with a logo etc...
Well you have to decide, do you want performance or do you want cosmetics? If Microsoft did beef up the logon screen which has no function but cosmetic anyway, too many people would be complaining about how long it takes to boot as Mac and Linux customers complain all the time, how long it takes to boot.
littleguru wrote:
For me (having a fast machine) looks the Vista boot sequence like that now:
1) BIOS
2) black screen
3) waiting
4) black screen with progress bar.
5) waiting again. The fan starts to run... Well something is going on, perhaps.
6) black screen again.
7) nice logo (vista logo with light) for 0.5 seconds
8) black again
9) login screen (looks nice)
10) login screen (after having entered the password) fading out.
11) black again
12) login screen pops up for like 0.5 seconds again - didn't the screen fade out before??
13) black again
14) desktop
... Well this is strange, isn't it?
For a CTP? A technical beta, nope not strange at all. When I participated in the Mac OS X public beta all we had to boot up with was lines and lines of text messages similar to the way most Linux distros were. Things change and get better closer to the RTM. I doubt the boot sequence will have what you are requesting because of the performance hit. -
Maurits
AKA Matthew van Eerde
LarryOsterman wrote:You'll also note that the Mac and Linux take somewhat longer than Windows to boot...
Linux is faster if you forgo X. Handy on a server.
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Steve411
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I have 19 items booting with the computer, takes about 10-11 seconds.
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littleguru
<3 Seattle
I hope the flickering goes away in the RTM. Vista boots really fast, that is true
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LarryOsterman wrote:
You'll also note that the Mac and Linux take somewhat longer than Windows to boot...
Actually Larry, as of 10.4 you'll probably find that is no longer the case. My iBook boots in about 15 seconds, of course the wake from sleep is instantaneous [6]
Launchd (bottom of page) was implemented to load drivers etc and remove some of the tasks that they previously had to do ..
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Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
Rossj wrote:LarryOsterman wrote:
You'll also note that the Mac and Linux take somewhat longer than Windows to boot...
Actually Larry, as of 10.4 you'll probably find that is no longer the case. My iBook boots in about 15 seconds, of course the wake from sleep is instantaneous
Launchd (bottom of page) was implemented to load drivers etc and remove some of the tasks that they previously had to do ..
I'll defend that as well....my Mac can boot faster than my PC (Ubuntu Server) and both my laptops 1.4 P3's 512 MB RAM.
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Of course I'd love to see how BeOS would boot on a modern machine, if indeed it could.
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Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
littleguru wrote:I hope the flickering goes away in the RTM. Vista boots really fast, that is true
No, Flickering is WAD. That being said they'll add more flickers to make it look like your driving past trees.
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