Hey, Channel 9! Tell us please.
What is about in "Port 25"?, i heard they be take films too..., talking about OS... ?
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Beetlejuice
www.life2log.com
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Xaero_Vincent
Sexy me
It seems to me that Microsoft is beginning to open up to Linux and the Open-Source world. Their recent announcement to support Linux within thier virtualization product and now this seems to back this. Though I could be very wrong and infact Microsoft is just up to their old tricks.
If not though, they should consider developing products for Linux like Office 12. Not all Linux users are like Beer and are willing to use Microsoft solutions. How about Visual Studio on Linux? Maybe their Encarta Encyclopedia and Streets & Trips for Linux? Oh and maybe DirectX for Linux and many games to go with it. Lets not forget financial software like Microsoft Money for Linux.
.NET 2.0 and Vistual Studio on Linux/BSD would rule!!! Mono exists but Microsoft's implementation is far more complete and better. I bet official Visual Studio and .NET frameworks on Linux/BSD would be a big blow at Sun's Java platform because the .NET platform is better overall.
This would be great for everyone and certainly help their revenue and stock. Just look what happened to Apple's shares when they announced Boot Camp.
Just my 2 cents.
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Ion Todirel
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not for Microsoft Windows OSs.Xaero_Vincent wrote:This would be great for everyone and certainly help their revenue and stock. -
DoomBringer
Doom!
I think its cool. Microsoft decided to support running Linux on a VM, and are also going to show what they've been doing in the lab. Hopefully they'll cover lots of good stuff on interoperability.
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Xaero_Vincent wrote:
If not though, they should consider developing products for Linux like Office 12. Not all Linux users are like Beer and are willing to use Microsoft solutions. How about Visual Studio on Linux? Maybe their Encarta Encyclopedia and Streets & Trips for Linux? Oh and maybe DirectX for Linux and many games to go with it. Lets not forget financial software like Microsoft Money for Linux.
.NET 2.0 and Vistual Studio on Linux/BSD would rule!!! Mono exists but Microsoft's implementation is far more complete and better. I bet official Visual Studio and .NET frameworks on Linux/BSD would be a big blow at Sun's Java platform because the .NET platform is better overall.
Why should they - no one is making any big money selling software on the linux platform - all of the big linux money comes from support contracts - which microsoft does not provide. -
rjdohnert
You will never know success until you know failure
Hopefully this will be a good move.
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jamie
mazie is amused
DoomBringer wrote:I think its cool. Microsoft decided to support running Linux on a VM, and are also going to show what they've been doing in the lab. Hopefully they'll cover lots of good stuff on interoperability.
does this vm ... mean i can download it - on xpsp2 - and be able to run linux in a window?
or do i have to be a sales guy corporation running enterprise edition of everything?
ps - tin foil hat: apple announces xp on macs - ms announces linux on vm - all the same week - maybe some phone calls were happening last month -
rjdohnert
You will never know success until you know failure
It does work on XP SP2, yes. The only OS it doesnt support is Win2k
jamie wrote:
DoomBringer wrote:I think its cool. Microsoft decided to support running Linux on a VM, and are also going to show what they've been doing in the lab. Hopefully they'll cover lots of good stuff on interoperability.
does this vm ... mean i can download it - on xpsp2 - and be able to run linux in a window?
or do i have to be a sales guy corporation running enterprise edition of everything?
ps - tin foil hat: apple announces xp on macs - ms announces linux on vm - all the same week - maybe some phone calls were happening last month -
rjdohnert wrote:It does work on XP SP2, yes. The only OS it doesnt support is Win2k
It will run on any released operating system from Windows XP Pro Onwards. (not sure if WinXP Home supports IIS).
Saying it will run on every OS except Win2K is leaving yourself wide open!..
i.e. Will it run in WinME? How about dos 5.0 ?
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Harlequin
http://twitter.com/TrueHarlequin
blatzcoder wrote:This strikes me as more of an "embrace and destroy" type strategy rather than something being done out of the goodness of Microsoft's heart. Open source is a viable business threat, and they know it. Problem is, they are just arrogant enough to think they can subvert all the work being done cuz "they can look at the source code too!" and ooooh we got Bill Hilf now! But the ability to read source code does not take talent. Innovation takes talent.
Once again you wil be asked the question you never answer...
Explain? -
Black Ratchet
Just another Phone Phreak from Boston
blatzcoder wrote:Innovation takes talent.
Agreed. I just got back from Linuxworld this week, and I saw tons of cool Linux based closed source projects. Sad that they aren't free, but still nifty.
What did I see with all the community projects like Gentoo and the lot?
"Hey, look at us supporting XGL! You can make your X desktop look like OS X with cartoony windows!"
Wow. Porting a feature that Mac has had for 5 years over to Linux. Wonderful. Blatz, where is the innovation in that?
Seriously, at times like this I want to just move over to OpenBSD.
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ddewbofh
And so the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Join the club, it all became a bit too much for my taste the other week too. I've decided to go for skyos (skyos.org) and gnu/solaris as hobby/extra systems. Less zealots to worry about.
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Harlequin
http://twitter.com/TrueHarlequin
Harlequin wrote:
blatzcoder wrote: This strikes me as more of an "embrace and destroy" type strategy rather than something being done out of the goodness of Microsoft's heart. Open source is a viable business threat, and they know it. Problem is, they are just arrogant enough to think they can subvert all the work being done cuz "they can look at the source code too!" and ooooh we got Bill Hilf now! But the ability to read source code does not take talent. Innovation takes talent.
Once again you wil be asked the question you never answer...
Explain?
HelloHelloHelloHelloHello
Is anyone out there? out there out there out there out there
Wow, that's the secret to trolls. Just ask them to explain their opinion and they disappear for a few days. I've noticed that on other threads too
Can I get a government grant for this study?
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Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
blatzcoder wrote:This strikes me as more of an "embrace and destroy" type strategy rather than something being done out of the goodness of Microsoft's heart.
This is exactlly why I didn't/don't want Microsoft to host/own a programming wiki....
Blatz, fine you win, it is a viable business model, so instead of crying about it why don't you work to crush Microsoft and leave...
In your viewpoint Microsoft is like crack....
"It's so bad you can't stay away"
For our viewpoint....
"it's so good we don't wanna leave" -
PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
Xaero_Vincent wrote:threat of Linux virtualization technology, cost effectiveness of OSS solutions, and seeing some of their competitors embracing OS product licensing.
What the hell was that, other than a buzzword string concatenation? What IS the "threat of Linux virtualization technology"?!
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julianbenjamin
Giggity
Xaero_Vincent wrote:I agree with Blatz in the sense that the OSS initiative has become a threat to Microsoft. Microsoft relizes the threat of Linux virtualization technology, cost effectiveness of OSS solutions, and seeing some of their competitors embracing OS product licensing.
Regards,
Vincent
And you know all this how? Some internal Microsoft memos detailing how Linux virtualization technology is a threat fell into your hands?
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Xaero_Vincent
Sexy me
I agree with Blatz in the sense that the OSS initiative has become a threat to Microsoft. Microsoft relizes the threat of Linux virtualization technology, cost effectiveness of OSS solutions, and seeing some of their competitors embracing OS for product licensing.
Microsoft knows that they could gradually lose the balance if they fail to acknowledge this threat and remain at top. Its important for them to know their enemy and understand how it ticks. That is why they have a Linux/OSS lab. Microsoft strategically uses the data Hilf and his people collect to improve their products and combat the rise of Linux and OSS.
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Harlequin
http://twitter.com/TrueHarlequin
blatzcoder wrote:Explain which part? Do you really want to read a huge explanation of this? Charles might get mad if I make a long post. That's why I summarized it.
This strikes me as more of an "embrace and destroy" type strategy rather than something being done out of the goodness of Microsoft's heart.
And how is Microsoft delving and doing research into OSS going to destroy it?
Open source is a viable business threat, and they know it.
Every business has threats from telecom companies competing to Mom&Pop operations fighting the fact that Walmart will destroy their business.
Problem is, they are just arrogant enough to think they can subvert all the work being done cuz "they can look at the source code too!" and ooooh we got Bill Hilf now!
Subvert all the work being done...do you even look at your keyboard when you type? How is Microsoft going to envelop the OSS community? Do you know a Microsoft strategy we don't?
But the ability to read source code does not take talent. Innovation takes talent.
Lemme guess:
Linux Users -> Only ones that have Talent -> Only ones that can innovate
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