The UK Government may want me to give them all my encryption keys, even if I'm not being charged with anything.
I'll just say my favorite expletive-of-the-month: "títs!"
A version of this this was on the agenda for my discussion with George Osborne, but now this is even more pressing.
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W3bbo
Work hard; increase production; prevent accidents, and be happy.
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Sabot
My name is Dave Oliver. I'm a Technical Architect.
... and your problem is?
We insist on freedom of information from our government, shouldn't it also be both ways?
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Larsenal
ready to give an answer
Sabot wrote:... and your problem is?
We insist on freedom of information from our government, shouldn't it also be both ways?
No.
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W3bbo
Work hard; increase production; prevent accidents, and be happy.
Sabot wrote:... and your problem is?
We insist on freedom of information from our government, shouldn't it also be both ways?
Because we voted for them, they serve us, we pay them taxes, and it's in the public's interest to know what their rulers/organisers/leaders are planning/doing. This doesn't work both ways.
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Sabot wrote:
... and your problem is?
We insist on freedom of information from our government, shouldn't it also be both ways?
I assume you were sarcastic, but forgot the <sarcasm/>?
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Sabot
My name is Dave Oliver. I'm a Technical Architect.
Take for example the corporate that I work for, wouldn't you like to know what information they have on you?
What about the site that dropped a cookie on your system, wouldn't you like to know what they captured? ... and what they are going to do with that data once they have it?
What about criminals? How do we police them if we don't have powers to look at their data?
There is a fine line, so if your decent and honest should you have anything to fear?
It is a trust issue pure and simple. If we trusted our Government we wouldn't be uncomfortable, this is the real issue. It's not so much about handing over our keys is it?
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Angus
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I personally think the government should be much stricter, monitoring every move outside of the home, items bought, food consumed, etc. It would be interesting.
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Sabot
My name is Dave Oliver. I'm a Technical Architect.
Angus wrote:I personally think the government should be much stricter, monitoring every move outside of the home, items bought, food consumed, etc. It would be interesting.
Angus Higgins
Really?
You would go this far?
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Larsenal
ready to give an answer
Sabot wrote:It is a trust issue pure and simple. If we trusted our Government we wouldn't be uncomfortable, this is the real issue. It's not so much about handing over our keys is it?
I don't think that encompasses the entire issue. For example, there are people who I trust implicitly; however, there are still personal matters that I would prefer to keep private. It is not because I am hiding anything, but because some things ought to remain private.
Even though I may not do anything wrong in my home, I would object to a even the most trusted friend tapping into a video feed of everything that goes on in my home. It's not purely a trust issue. It's about privacy.
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Minh
WOOH! WOOH!
Sabot wrote:
We insist on freedom of information from our government, shouldn't it also be both ways?
Give me a few days for this statement to sink in..... waiting, waiting.....
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Sabot wrote:
Take for example the corporate that I work for, wouldn't you like to know what information they have on you?
And would you trust *any* government IT project not to accidentally lose your private key and it get out in the open? No need to worry though because by the time they've spent 3 years and a couple of hundred million paying Accenture (I am guessing, educated guess) to screw it up I don't think there is any need to worry.
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Angus
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Sabot wrote:
Angus wrote:
I personally think the government should be much stricter, monitoring every move outside of the home, items bought, food consumed, etc. It would be interesting.
Angus Higgins
Really?
You would go this far?
It would be a data nightmare.
But imagine having terabyte after terabyte of data on every single person. It would be a dream come true, it would be the ultimate set of data.
Angus Higgins
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One reason for us citizents to demand free information is that we don't really trust our government.
The reason for this are among other:
- The people in office is not the ones I voted for.
- Affairs, history officials misbehaving.
- Problems with authorities all together.
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- The people in office is not the ones I voted for.
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Minh
WOOH! WOOH!
Sabot wrote:What about criminals? How do we police them if we don't have powers to look at their data?
So, if I haven't been convicted of a crime yet, am I still obligated?
Sabot wrote:It is a trust issue pure and simple. If we trusted our Government we wouldn't be uncomfortable, this is the real issue. It's not so much about handing over our keys is it?I don't know how you guys run things over there, but here, in theory, any authority not explicitly granted to the government (by the People), the government cannot use. No blank checks here.
Plus, have you a look at MY government lately? Would you trust it?
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littleguru
<3 Seattle
Hahaha! They start now with everything and label it as anti terror action
What a crazy world.
As if terrorists would give the encryption keys to the government This is like telling a thief to go to the police before breaking into a house -
blowdart
Peek-a-boo
Sabot wrote:There is a fine line, so if your decent and honest should you have anything to fear?
It is a trust issue pure and simple. If we trusted our Government we wouldn't be uncomfortable, this is the real issue. It's not so much about handing over our keys is it?
Remind me to beat you next time I see you.
It's not just about trusting them; by demanding keys it shows they don't trust any of us. This is not about policing criminals, if it was, it would be limited to people on whom warrents are served, not a nation wide key registration.
Whats next?
criminals, terrorists and pedophiles use cars. so everyone must give up their cars
criminals, terrorists and pedophiles use credit cards. so everyone must give up their credit cards.
etc.
Plus there's the fact that WPA keys regenerate on a regular basis. It's a technological impossibility to register those, or most generated VPN keys. Or SSH keys.
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Tom Servo
W-hat?
What retarded reasoning. If a terrorist or pedophile risks higher prison time with their illegal activity than he would get by not revealing his encryption keys, the more reason for them to use disk encryption. If the cops come jacking your equipment, you just dont release the key and get scots-free (more or less). The only thing this stupid ban does is actually encouraging the criminals, because they're being made aware of this technowizz.
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Cairo
I want my waffle sundae, give me my carbs!
Sabot wrote:... and your problem is?
We insist on freedom of information from our government, shouldn't it also be both ways?
Have you read "The Transparent Society"?
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