Israeli raid kills Palestinian civilians

Here we go again. The Israeli Defence Force, claims that they only target military, but I guess they target when their drunk, because each time they hit a target it happenes to be a school children or a civilian house full of little infants

Here is what the UN says

Kofi Annan, the UN secretary-general, was "particularly disturbed that despite his prior expressions of concern, this pattern was repeated yesterday, when three children were killed and a number of bystanders injured, during another targeted killing by Israel".

and

"We would like to once again underscore the need for Israel to cease targeted killings, which continue to claim civilian lives"

Ibrahim Gambari,
UN undersecretary general for political affairs

Check it out

I hope Israel and Iran nuke either other and make the entire "Holy Land" uninhabitable for 10,000 years.

The civilians weren't the target, but you will believe whatever you want to.

<sarcasm>Keep reading Aljazeera.  You and I probably see eye to eye with their journalists on most issues.</sarcasm>

I don't really want to get into this with you again, Shark_M.  If you could have your way, what would it be?  A Palestinian state?  The destruction of Israel?  What would please you?

Larsenal wrote:

The civilians weren't the target, but you will believe whatever you want to.

<sarcasm>Keep reading Aljazeera.  You and I probably see eye to eye with their journalists on most issues.</sarcasm>

I don't really want to get into this with you again, Shark_M.  If you could have your way, what would it be?  A Palestinian state?  The destruction of Israel?  What would please you?

A religious/Historic theme park policed by the UN

Sigh...

Let's give this a little perspective. There are Palestinians who fire rockets (with no guidance) into an Israeli city (Sderot). Here's the thing, the IDF doesn't want to go in on the ground, that would cause much more havoc, and the PA doesn't police them, so the IDF has to resort to air strikes. Unfortunately, they sometimes miss, but you will note that they aren't deliberately targeting civilians, unlike the Palestinian terrorists. Also, keep in mind that a lot of these rocket attacks occur from the steets, people backyards, sometimes from buildings. Unfortunately, it puts Israel inbetween a rock and hard place.

So, lets see... how about this scenario... a group of people start shooting rockets into Vancouver from Seattle. The US decides that they don't mind, because the elected leaders all say that Canada shouldn't have the right to exist and death to all Canadians, so they don't even bother policing the terrorist Seattlites. What should Canada do? p.s. the UN says that you shouldn't retaliate, and the world doesn't cover any stories about the missile strikes. Oh yeah, Mexico, the UK, France, Russia and China all hate you too, and are funding the operations and sending missiles into Seattle to help the cause.

What bothers me the most is the duality of the reactions to each side. How many top news stories have you seen about the town of Sderot and the daily missile attacks? No, instead it is about how Israel is a big bully for actually trying to defend one of their cities from the daily attacks.

Granted, the rocket attacks haven't killed too many people to date (15 I think), but it has injured quite a few, and the daily threat has to wear on you.

How about this, how would you feel if Israel dropped their plan of targetted attacks on PA terrorists, and instead lobbed missiles into towns in Gaza (note: the missiles don't do as much killing, but they aren't targetted and commonly hit things such as school buildings)?

As far as the beach artillery shell thing, I still think that one is up in the air. The last I heard was that the IDF ruled out it being one of their shells based on tests from shrapnel in the wounded. There were some concerns about one of the wounded who came in to the Israeli hospital with all traces of shrapnel removed (even without it being medically necessary, which isn't normally done), which seems suspicious. Lastly, the Human Rights Watch folks are conceding that it might have been unexploded ordinance from a previous shelling, in which case I have to wonder why people would have been out on the beach there with their children in the first place.

Palestianian terrorists deliberately target as many civilians as possible. They target public buses full of children, restaurants filled with families. They even send children suicide bombers to do the murdering. And then to top it off they build bomb factories next to Palestinian schools and use human shields. The more death the better it is for them.

Where's your condemnation of terrorism?

Shark_M wrote:



Larsenal wrote:The civilians weren't the target, but you will believe whatever you want to. <sarcasm>Keep reading Aljazeera.  You and I probably see eye to eye with their journalists on most issues.</sarcasm> I don't really want to get into this with you again, Shark_M.  If you could have your way, what would it be?  A Palestinian state?  The destruction of Israel?  What would please you?

A religious/Historic theme park policed by the UN

As idealistic as it may be, doing that will just upset even more people. The next thing you know we'll have Israeli suicide bombers.

maniac78 wrote:

Palestianian terrorists deliberately target as many civilians as possible.

...always?

maniac78 wrote:

They target public buses full of children, restaurants filled with families. They even send children suicide bombers to do the murdering.

I'm only aware of a handful of suicide bombings carried out by those under 18, even less by those under 17, anyway whilst I'm aware of public bus bombings, I've never heard of a school bus bombing.

maniac78 wrote:

And then to top it off they build bomb factories next to Palestinian schools and use human shields.

Your source?

maniac78 wrote:

The more death the better it is for them.

"Better"? In what way?

maniac78 wrote:

Where's your condemnation of terrorism?

"One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"

I don't have an opinion

W3bbo wrote:

 I've never heard of a school bus bombing.

"Gaza Strip bomb targets school bus "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,400240,00.html

"Palestinian authorities placed the leader of the radical Islamic Hamas group under house arrest Thursday in the immediate aftermath of a deadly suicide bombing aimed at a school bus full of Jewish settler children."
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V118/N54/hamas.54w.html

"At the time of the Haifa bombing, bus No. 37 was carrying many high school and college students"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/26/ltm.01.html

Cairo wrote:



W3bbo wrote: I've never heard of a school bus bombing.

"Gaza Strip bomb targets school bus "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,400240,00.html

"Palestinian authorities placed the leader of the radical Islamic Hamas group under house arrest Thursday in the immediate aftermath of a deadly suicide bombing aimed at a school bus full of Jewish settler children."
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V118/N54/hamas.54w.html

"At the time of the Haifa bombing, bus No. 37 was carrying many high school and college students"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/26/ltm.01.html

Thanks for that

/me stands informed

W3bbo wrote:


...always?

Yes that's always the goal.

 

W3bbo wrote:


I'm only aware of a handful of suicide bombings carried out by those under 18, even less by those under 17, anyway whilst I'm aware of public bus bombings, I've never heard of a school bus bombing.

There have been many.

W3bbo wrote:


Your source?

Just a fact. Look it up yourself.

W3bbo wrote:


"Better"? In what way?

Just look at the world reaction to Palestinian terrorism. The more they kill  the more people hate Israel and support them in their quest to destroy it.

W3bbo wrote:


"One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"

In other words you support the willful and deliberate murder of innocent civilians.

maniac78 wrote:

In other words you support the willful and deliberate murder of innocent civilians.

Evidently you didn't read all of my posts, and this is clearly ad-hominem. I explicity said I don't have an opinion, I hate all parties equally.

W3bbo wrote:



maniac78 wrote:In other words you support the willful and deliberate murder of innocent civilians.

Evidently you didn't read all of my posts, and this is clearly ad-hominem. I explicity said I don't have an opinion, I hate all parties equally.

Then that makes you the worst one in the bunch.  At least the Palestinians and Israelis only hate (very roughly) one half of the population.  </kidding>

Larsenal wrote:



W3bbo wrote: maniac78 wrote:In other words you support the willful and deliberate murder of innocent civilians. Evidently you didn't read all of my posts, and this is clearly ad-hominem. I explicity said I don't have an opinion, I hate all parties equally.

Then that makes you the worst one in the bunch.  At least the Palestinians and Israelis only hate (very roughly) one half of the population.  </kidding>

heh, well as I said I'm all for saving civilian lives, but that's where my opinions end.

Well then you and Isralis are of the same opinion. Too bad the Palestinian terrorists are not.

maniac78 wrote:

Well then you and Isralis are of the same opinion. Too bad the Palestinian terrorists are not.

How did you get to that conclusion?

W3bbo wrote:

Shark_M wrote:Larsenal wrote:The civilians weren't the target, but you will believe whatever you want to.<sarcasm>Keep reading Aljazeera.  You and I probably see eye to eye with their journalists on most issues.</sarcasm>I don't really want to get into this with you again, Shark_M.  If you could have your way, what would it be?  A Palestinian state?  The destruction of Israel?  What would please you?A religious/Historic theme park policed by the UNAs idealistic as it may be, doing that will just upset even more people. The next thing you know we'll have Israeli suicide bombers.

And this is exactly where the whole misunderstandig lies. Isreal does not strike first. They will never strike back with suicide bombers. They strike back at the ones who cowardly kill ONLY civilians, women, children. When has the Hammas (sp?) attacked an israeli military installation? I believe never. Why? Cowards! What I don't get is the international press siding with the palestinians. Every human life lost is a tradegy, man, woman or child. What about the palestinian practice of using human shields? Don't forget, the poor (I need to watch my language)s are promised eternal life if they die defending the religious honor. Those civilians weren't there by chance or by force! They are martyrs, dying for what they believe in. They know exatcly the effects of a 'civilian' death in the western media. Our problem in the west is, we believe our media to be unbiased.btw, I don't think channel9 is a place to spread political propaganda, os I would encourage the mods to lock or even delete these kinds of threads. There are enough boards out there to voice these opinions.