Truth Happens - RedHat Linux

*sigh* an MVP who can't even spell "Truth"

That explains pleanty

That tells me nothing, it's just some crap edited together nicely.

And some of the qoutes are downright wrong.

Oh well guys! Year of the Linux desktop for sure!!!

....sorry, I had to start breathing again....I can only hold it for so long....


If you produce 1 marginally useful program and  post it for us to see, we'll all take you a little bit more seriously.

Or, I guess, you could make millions on a text-rendering engine....there's a huge market for them...

Ugh... What a load.

On a related note, Mark Twain is quoted as saying "I hate quotations."

The reason why he said that, I beleive, is that people have an annoying habit of borrowing someone else's word, smugly applying them to their own point of view, and then acting as if that by itself qualifies as an untouchable argument.

That particular Ghandi quote is one of the most prevalent examples of this phenomenon. It does, I think, succintly capture the evolution of conflict--a pattern of escalation if you will. You can't just reference it as foretelling your inevitable victory, however, because the pattern is meaningless without context.

For example, I could just as easily apply it to Microsoft. They started out as a scrawny company hawking software for hobbyist computers. DOS 1.0 didn't even support subdirectories. At various points in their history, they've been derided as an also-ran, mocked as a provider of shoddy goods, attacked as a ruthless competitor, and emerged as market leaders. So are they always going to win? Frankly, that's a stupid question. You can't know without looking at the particular situation.

Unless RedHat's getting checkins from Mount Sinai, they'd do well to cut the crap and present a more thoughtful case.

EDIT: Oops. The quotation is actually Ralph Waldo Emerson's. You can find it in its entirety along with related ones here.

"Turth Happens"... Type-O perhaps?

Linux desktop?... Not until 99% of fragmentation is demolished. 500+ distributions need to be terminated and one official set of Linux operating systems need to be formed by vendor collaberation. Can you do that Blatz? Go for it bud!


Regards,
Vincent

"Hey, Rocky... watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!"

"Again ??"

"This time FOR SURE!!"

blatzcoder wrote:



ScanIAm wrote:If you produce 1 marginally useful program and  post it for us to see, we'll all take you a little bit more seriously. Or, I guess, you could make millions on a text-rendering engine....there's a huge market for them...

At this point, I'm not looking for "huge markets", although I do have some fairly big ideas (no, I'm not going to roll yet another Linux distro either). Then again, you personally have yet to produce a single line of code so I'm not taking your opinion too seriously anyway.

I doubt you actually take yourself seriously

blatzcoder wrote:



leeappdalecom wrote: blatzcoder wrote:  ScanIAm wrote: If you produce 1 marginally useful program and  post it for us to see, we'll all take you a little bit more seriously. Or, I guess, you could make millions on a text-rendering engine....there's a huge market for them... At this point, I'm not looking for "huge markets", although I do have some fairly big ideas (no, I'm not going to roll yet another Linux distro either). Then again, you personally have yet to produce a single line of code so I'm not taking your opinion too seriously anyway. I doubt you actually take yourself seriously

Why are you doubting that I can write code? You're going to have to come up with a better argument than that soon.

Im not doubting it but actions speak louder than words my friend, you certainly talk a good game. If your not worried then i'd be happy in the fact that your a good coder and don't need to try and convince people of that fact without any proof

Let me sum any and all posts/threads created by Blatz.  "You better watch out when I release this kick a$$ code that I'm going to write one day and one day lupload it and release it and it will be the best written program ever in the world.  One day I'll get to it, I promise, you need to belivee me..."

blatzcoder wrote:



 

Well, considering that the majority of people that post here don't seem to code in any way, yet they are full of opinions (Manip comes to mind), I guess I do sort of stand out.

Why would you stand out?  As far as we can see, you don't seem to code in any way either, despite your assertions to the contrary.

You could put just about any bull you wanted at the end of that video and it would be no more or less "insightful" than it is now.

Linux is a great server OS no doubt... I am a damn Linux user, and am running a Linux machine here right NOW! But the claims that Linux advocates make are as holey as swiss cheese ... "Linux is secure" "Linux is stable" "Linux is free" "Linux is fast" none of it is true.

Of course it has elements of truth in it but so would similar quotes with Windows, OS X, OS/2, UNIX, or BSD in place of Linux.

From my experience the MOST ignorant people are the advocates for any operating system, be it Linux, Windows, Mac OS X et al.

And that old saying about "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" is justified in retrospect. I've never heard of anyone using that saying before they were successful and it holding true. On top of that Linux can never "win." 

 

blatzcoder wrote:

 Well, considering that the majority of people that post here don't seem to code in any way, yet they are full of opinions (Manip comes to mind), I guess I do sort of stand out.

You what? ... I'm ALWAYS coding... But what do my opinions have to do with my coding? ...  And why are you attacking me? ... MOST people on Channel 9 don't post code, but yet we all happily discuss development and software... Why are you picking on me in particular?

You're the only one claiming that your going to write this, and write that... I've never said I'd write a program as part of a discussion that I remember. 
 

What distro of Linux are you running?

And what about the Windows box?

blatzcoder wrote:



Manip wrote:Linux is a great server OS no doubt... I am a damn Linux user, and am running a Linux machine here right NOW! But the claims that Linux advocates make are as holey as swiss cheese ... "Linux is secure" "Linux is stable" "Linux is free" "Linux is fast" none of it is true.

Okay. I have two systems at home. One Linux, one Windows (see, I'm not Beer, I do watch the competition). The Linux one has been very stable, and it works great as a desktop OS. I'm not having issues, but perhaps you have a messed up installation. Funny, it was a free installation, it is stable, and seems quite fast.

People just dont get it, yes Linux distros can be used as a desktop OS in the same way Windows can but try letting a novice user have a go on the Linux desktop and see how they get one installing their favourite Office app or upgrading their messenger app, or trying to get their wireless network setup. Windows beats any distro of Linux at this hands down and therefore will continue to dominate the desktop market until Linux can come up with something other than 'Its Fee!' wow great but that Compaq i bought from PC World had Windows XP on it whats wrong with that?  I use SUSE 10 at home to do lots of MySql, Perl, Php development on Im a big Linux fan but people need to have a reality check its for professionals not Joe Bloggs down the road.

leeappdalecom wrote:

People just dont get it, yes Linux distros can be used as a desktop OS in the same way Windows can but try letting a novice user have a go on the Linux desktop and see how they get one installing their favourite Office app or upgrading their messenger app ...

I agree with you, but just want to correct you on a point. You say that "novice" users can't use Linux desktop, and you are of course right. But more to the point even the users that could use Linux on the desktop like me don't want to use Linux...

It isn't that I couldn't do whatever I wanted to do, it is that I don't want to have to do that. I'd spend more time fighting with the Operating System than I would actually getting any work done.

Frankly if I have to write and or compile my own drivers so I can print out a simple document then an Operating System isn't worth my time. If I can't use my 3D card because there is no driver, the OS isn't worth my time. If I have to open up a terminal and hack a make file to install a program then an OS isn't worth my time. And if 95% of my files break an OS isn't worth my time.

I mean for crying out loud, the last two times I installed Linux, my monitor didn't work (the screen went black after install) and my network card wasn't detected.

Manip wrote:



leeappdalecom wrote:People just dont get it, yes Linux distros can be used as a desktop OS in the same way Windows can but try letting a novice user have a go on the Linux desktop and see how they get one installing their favourite Office app or upgrading their messenger app ...

I agree with you, but just want to correct you on a point. You say that "novice" users can't use Linux desktop, and you are of course right. But more to the point even the users that could use Linux on the desktop like me don't want to use Linux...

It isn't that I couldn't do whatever I wanted to do, it is that I don't want to have to do that. I'd spend more time fighting with the Operating System than I would actually getting any work done.

Frankly if I have to write and or compile my own drivers so I can print out a simple document then an Operating System isn't worth my time. If I can't use my 3D card because there is no driver, the OS isn't worth my time. If I have to open up a terminal and hack a make file to install a program then an OS isn't worth my time. And if 95% of my files break an OS isn't worth my time.

Yep true, when I bought my new laptop the first thing I did was flatten the HD and install a SUSE 10/Windows MCE duel system, did my Centrino wireless work with SUSE 10 first time? course it didnt, this is the kinda thing that would put people off using Linux that and the fact the you need to find the right distro then choose KDE/Gnome, average Joe doesnt need this extra level of complexity he wants the windows experience, get the latest version and install it or leave what comes out of the shop on it with all your wireless, office, messenger blah blah blah already setup.

blatzcoder wrote:



BenZilla wrote:Oh well guys! Year of the Linux desktop for sure!!!

Hopefully it will be when I'm done with it.

blatz coding the Linux desktop?

I'm scared.

If this is followed up by MSFT announcing that vistawillship is becoming the head of marketing, I'm building a bunker because the apocalypse is at hand.