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sakisp — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:43:11 GMT

IE7 is a great update to old 6.x, but screen drawing is very slow.

I have installed beta3 in three different machines, my testing computer (3.4ghz/2Gb Intel), a second one (3.4/2Gb) and my laptop (2.2G/1G) and page vertical scrolling is much slower than 6.0 on all of them. Even text-only webpages scroll very slowly when using mouse wheel.

I thought that something might be wrong with installation so I've installed XP from scratch, updated with all hotfixes and IE7b3. Same results...

Finally I've tried with extoff, although I don't have any third party extensions installed, and with Cleartype disabled but no help. BTW I had exactly the same experience with all IE7 betas and every page I visited, including c9.

Some of my colleagues who tried IE7 betas, had the same slowness issues.

Any idea?

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UnoriginalGuy — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:19:12 GMT

I've been a long time IE user, both 5, 6 and now 7 though all its public betas, and I have never noticed slow scrolling. I do scroll but I also use the mouse down "fast scroll" functionality too.

Was the same mouse used on all three machines?

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leighsword — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:23:51 GMT

Internet Option -> Reset...

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sakisp — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:30:30 GMT

All mice used on desktop machines, are same type, MS Intellimouse Explorer + latest Intellipoint software ( I did tried without IP with same results). On laptop I used its own pointing device.

I don't think that a mouse cause this slowness, IE6 and all other apps work great. I've read many similar user reports in newsgroups and MS own blogs.

leighsword wrote:

Internet Option -> Reset...

I did that without success...

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Jason Cox — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:37:45 GMT

I know this bug existed a few builds ago on Windows Vista, but I wasnt aware of any issues on Windows XP.

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yman — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:57:08 GMT

I have found sometimes that FireFoxy struggles to scroll over certain types of images in a web page, it stutters while you scroll.

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Nitz Walsh — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:09:53 GMT

Actually in general I find the scrolling smoother than IE6. Opera still rules in this department, IE6/7 will be a littly chunky on some pages with lots of flash animations for example. Opera is silky smooth on every PC I've tested it on, but IE7 is probably the second closest. Scrolling speed is definitely not a grip with IE7 for me - it was somewhat in earlier builds, but B3 runs very nicely.

What I did find annoying was that on my GF's machine (XP2500, 512 megs, 6600 GT 128 meg), is that switching between tabs wasn't instant - there was a "redraw" of the screen that was quite noticeable. Firefox/Opera on her system is instant.

On my system (2 gig A64 3200, 256meg 7600GT) it's also instant, there's no flickering or "repainting" visible when switching tabs. It's not ram, it can't be processor speed because the difference between out processors isn't as great as the difference in tab switching. Shouldn't be video cards either as the 2D speed between us is basically indentical, the 7600GT is only faster than the 6600GT in 3D operations.

Anyone else get this? Her system is very clean and not running a ton of extra crap.

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Peter Gurevich [MS] — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:17:20 GMT

Sakisp, thanks for the feedback.

We have been really focusing on improving the scrolling expereince in IE7. We have made a lot of recent fixes that have dramatically improved the scrolling performance. I am not seeing the scrolling issues you must be seeing. Can you provide some specific examples? We want to make IE the fastest browsing expereinc out there and would really appreociate any assistance you can provide.

Thanks

Peter Gurevich
IE Performance PM

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blowdart — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:22:09 GMT

I tried to report a scrolling/repaint not happening issue today, except the submit bug form barfed on me. Maybe it didn't like an MHT

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UnoriginalGuy — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:59:41 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote:

That's good to hear Peter - want to know how you've got it "fast enough"?

Load up Opera. Go to www.msnbc.com. Click the middle mouse button to get the free-scoll icon, and move the mouse up and down to scroll the page quickly.

Now do the same with IE7. See the difference?

I can go up and down the page in just under three seconds using IE 7 beta 3.

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Nitz Walsh — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:09:09 GMT

Peter Gurevich [MS] wrote:

Sakisp, thanks for the feedback.

We have been really focusing on improving the scrolling expereince in IE7. We have made a lot of recent fixes that have dramatically improved the scrolling performance. I am not seeing the scrolling issues you must be seeing. Can you provide some specific examples? We want to make IE the fastest browsing expereinc out there and would really appreociate any assistance you can provide.

Thanks

Peter Gurevich
IE Performance PM

That's good to hear Peter - want to know when you've got it "fast enough"?

Load up Opera. Go to www.msnbc.com. Click the middle mouse button to get the free-scoll icon, and move the mouse up and down to scroll the page quickly.

Now do the same with IE7. See the difference?

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Nitz Walsh — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:07:47 GMT

UnoriginalGuy wrote:

I can go up and down the page in just under three seconds using IE 7 beta 3.

Well, of course - any browser could do it that amount of time, "speed" really isn't the issue here, it's smoothness. IE will be choppy on that page, Opera scrolls as smoothly as a videogame.

It's not a huge issue of course, heck it's not really an "issue" per-se - just that Opera is sublime in this aspect and it would be nice for IE7 to match it.

Edit: Actually, I tried it again, and the problem with the choppiness (at least on www.msnbc.com and others, depends on the content) is that it makes it difficult to use free-scroll to accurately go to a point on the page quicky. With IE7, you can start scrolling quite smoothly as long as you start out slow, but as you ramp up the speed it quickly *lurches* - there's not enough intermediate steps between speeds, and the choppiness at the higher speeds makes it even more difficult.

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LaBomba — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:39:11 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote:

Peter Gurevich [MS] wrote: Sakisp, thanks for the feedback.

We have been really focusing on improving the scrolling expereince in IE7. We have made a lot of recent fixes that have dramatically improved the scrolling performance. I am not seeing the scrolling issues you must be seeing. Can you provide some specific examples? We want to make IE the fastest browsing expereinc out there and would really appreociate any assistance you can provide.

Thanks

Peter Gurevich
IE Performance PM

That's good to hear Peter - want to know when you've got it "fast enough"?

Load up Opera. Go to www.msnbc.com. Click the middle mouse button to get the free-scoll icon, and move the mouse up and down to scroll the page quickly.

Now do the same with IE7. See the difference?

Are you running XP or Vista?

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sakisp — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:23:37 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote:

Load up Opera. Go to www.msnbc.com. Click the middle mouse button to get the free-scoll icon, and move the mouse up and down to scroll the page quickly.

Now do the same with IE7. See the difference?

That's exactly what I meant. I can see the same difference when comparing IE6 and IE7 with many different webpages, even text-only.
IE7 rendering is indubitable fast but scrolling is choppy and much slower than IE6 (or other browser). It is very noticable with long text only formated pages, like IEblog long posts, W3C documentation pages, google groups etc.
All testing done with fast video cards (ATI X800xt, X1800xt) and resolution 1600x1200x32bit (maximized IE6/7 window).

Peter Gurevich [MS] wrote:

We want to make IE the fastest browsing expereinc out there and would really appreociate any assistance you can provide.

I really hope so Peter, IE used to be very fast and IMHO, browsing performance is much more preferable than a nice looking UI or a bunch of new features.

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Nitz Walsh — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:28:58 GMT

LaBomba wrote:

Are you running XP or Vista?

XP.

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Niklas — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:02:57 GMT

The scrolling is smooth for me but I'm finding that it seems to hold up on certain elements of the page (even on this page)

I'm using a logitech mouse with 3 line scroll size.

When I get it certain lines on the webpage my scroll event is "soaked up" i.e. I scroll but nothing happens the first time, I scroll again and off it goes

Just thought I'd add that I'm XP(sp2) IE7 beta 3 Intel 3ghz nVidia 6800.

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Shark_M — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:30:52 GMT

Maybe you guys need to test IE7 in slow machines, because the vast majority of users have less powerfull machines than the IE7 developer teams are using. So maybe test it in ones with average ability, and limited resources. If IE7 is fast in those then it would be fast in a powerfull machine too.

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shreyasonline — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:27:30 GMT

Shark_M wrote:

Maybe you guys need to test IE7 in slow machines, because the vast majority of users have less powerfull machines than the IE7 developer teams are using. So maybe test it in ones with average ability, and limited resources. If IE7 is fast in those then it would be fast in a powerfull machine too.

I have tried Firefox and IE7 on a 400Mhz 256MB RAM. Firefox is much better than IE, less scrolling problem, fast switching between Tabs, even Tabs open fast in Firefox.

Shreyas Zare

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gtstaruk — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:46:08 GMT

Hi i had the same problem with a slow scrolling mouse i manged to fix it by setting the mouse scroll to 1 line and then setting it back to 3 lines. Seems to have worked. Logitech mouse (standard scroll mouse and software) windows xp sp2 ie7 beta 3.

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Nitz Walsh — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:21:51 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote:

What I did find annoying was that on my GF's machine (XP2500, 512 megs, 6600 GT 128 meg), is that switching between tabs wasn't instant - there was a "redraw" of the screen that was quite noticeable. Firefox/Opera on her system is instant.

Actually with futher usage, I also find scrolling speed on her machine is atrocious depending upon the site. On some sites it's perfectly fine - on others, like cnn.com, it's absolutely dreadful.

On my system, cnn.com is very smooth. On hers- chop city. The processor difference doesn't come close to explaining the dramatic difference - is this an AGP vs. PCI-E issue?

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mesostinky — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:07:48 GMT

I have this exact problem and its killing me because I really think beta 3 is a great browser.

I know my laptop is old, Inspiron 5000 PIII 600, 512MB, etc but IE 6.0 simply does not have this problem. Neither do Firefox 1.5 or Opera 9.

I've have this problem with all of the betas and have tried everything to fix it to no avail. There just has to be something about this new engine that is causing this chopiness.

A perfect example is deviantart.com. At the top with the thumbnails its pretty choppy. Towards the bottom I only see text on the right and its back to normal scrolling.

Edit - Its not just about photo slowing a page down. This page scrolls perfectly fine. http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/g6_samples.html Clicking on 6MP photo and scrollng it works perfectly. It just seems to come down to certain page elements causing chopiness.

Any thoughts?

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saurus — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:53:26 GMT

hello all. i created an account on channel9 specifically to add my thoughts on IE7 rc1 scrolling.

i too find it very very jerky and slow on certain webpages and it is the only thing that puts me off using IE7 as my future browser

it seems to occur on certain webpages, mainly long discussion forums , the channel 9 forum seems ok but a really bad example is at :

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1

(click on any of the longer posts with 20+ replies)

please MS can we fix this issue, i dont really want to use firefox as my browser but its so much mooother on these problem pages

my system:

P4 2.4C
Asus P4P800 MB
1GB ram
6600GT
WDC raptor x2 in raid 0

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sakisp — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:19:05 GMT

saurus wrote:

...i too find it very very jerky and slow on certain webpages and it is the only thing that puts me off using IE7 as my future browser

Seems that isn't fixed in IE7 final. It is the widget styling that cause this slow rendering when scrolling. Not only slows down scrolling speed but also uses a lot of CPU resources, especially when pages contain many buttons, input boxes etc.

Try to disable visual styles (Internet Options - Advanced - Enable visual styles on buttons and controls in webpages). I did that and IE7 scrolling performance is equal to IE6.

I wonder what IE7 developers have changed to styling code and made it so slow. Maybe optimized it for Vista?

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jgr — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:51:38 GMT

Since I installed IE7, I find that other programs have slower screen updates. For example, one program where it is more noticeable is Freecel. On this computer, when I won and the cards all went to the top it was impossible to follow them because they just suddenly seemed to all pop up at the same time. Now, I can definitely see that they are quickly going up one at a time.

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petknep_home — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:37:39 GMT

jgr wrote:

Since I installed IE7, I find that other programs have slower screen updates. For example, one program where it is more noticeable is Freecel. On this computer, when I won and the cards all went to the top it was impossible to follow them because they just suddenly seemed to all pop up at the same time. Now, I can definitely see that they are quickly going up one at a time.

The only thing that comes to mind is ClearType. I believe the setting is Inetcpl.cpl (Internet Control Panel) -> Advanced -> Multimedia -> Always use ClearType for HTML rendering.

See if you get a repro after disabling that.

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mjdbb1 — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:58:55 GMT

I haven't seen this in other programs, but ClearType doesn't affect the scrolling problem or screen refresh problem in IE7.

The only setting I've found to make a difference is the "Enable visual styles...in webpages" setting.

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jgr — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:26:46 GMT

Tried that and it's no different. In any case, changing something to do with HTML will not improve operation of the video for other programs.

I installed Firefox2 in my other computer and it did not slow down anything. In fact IE7 slowed down the first computer I mentioned to the point that my second (slower CPU) looks fast in comparison.

My conclusion.. If Microsoft can't improve this situation, it's bye-bye for IE7 in my home. I'm even now getting somewhat worried about what problems Vista is going to cause.

I guess the winners here will be Intel and AMD since we'll need faster computers just to keep up with bloatware OS.

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intelman — Sun, 05 Nov 2006 06:10:08 GMT

Slow scrolling definitely exists in IE7. Feel the speed of this site in IE7 while scrolling http://videogames.yahoo.com/gamereview?cid=1993979114&tab=reviews&page=0&eid=491072

Try it in Firefox, it seems to scroll smoother.

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stealth916 — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 06:32:29 GMT

I too have found this site because I was Googling for 'IE7 scroll speed'. I too have gone through the trouble of joining just to add another unbiased report of the same problem.

I too have an issue with IE7 scroll speed. It is maddening. It makes browsing a very unpleasant experience. I thought the problem would be fixed in the release version of IE7 but I am very dissapointed to report that it has not been.

I currently manage ~500 Win XP machines via WSUS. There is no way I am pushing this problem out to my users when it is released to SUS next week

Presently I am going to obtain the latest version of the Intellipoint mouse driver, as I use a Microsoft mouse. Many people, particularly Logitech users, have reported that a mouse driver update will fix this problem.

If the mouse driver doesn't help, I am uninstalling IE7 and going back to IE6, where I know scroll speed is not a problem.

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ElucidWeb — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 06:50:24 GMT

Yeah I have this same issue and im running a dual core system with 2 gb of memory. Its odd, its really bad though. I just recently noticed on a web board with gif's on it and now I noticed some freezing issues while using zillow.com

The worst I have ever seen was from this url http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.php?showtopic=6212 on that thread. Its very very bad for some reason (I hunted that thread down so I hope you try it lol) but its very very choppy scrolling on it.
I think its the Bryant or whatever banners. Hope that helps you track down the problem!

Eric

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Rowan — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:45:59 GMT

Do you have any addons installed?

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androidi — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:00:17 GMT

In the Vista RC2 build 7.0.5744.16384 there are following issues that might be fixed in Vista RTM I haven't checked yet:

1. If page has been 99% rendered but some last item is taking a lot of time, eg you can view the page but some page visit counter takes long time to update, scrolling in this state is very choppy with mouse wheel and does not even work every wheel click.

2. medium sized but long animated gifs, ones in the megabyte range eg 100x200 pixels and 2 MB size cause very high cpu usage, EVEN when IE is not the active app. If I have IE minimized and am playing a game I can easily notice if the page last open in IE has a animated gif running. This is on 1.5 ghz P-M single core and having IE take ton of cpu (50-80%) to render a single gif is ridiculous when it isn't even visible.

I have Adobe PDF Reader, MS media player, Shockwave/Flash addons installed but were not active during the above scenarios.

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MB — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:21:08 GMT

sakisp wrote:

I wonder what IE7 developers have changed to styling code and made it so slow. Maybe optimized it for Vista?

I have it installed on both XP and Server-2003 and have no issues at all with either speed or scrolling.

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PerfectPhase — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:38:37 GMT

ElucidWeb wrote:

Yeah I have this same issue and im running a dual core system with 2 gb of memory. Its odd, its really bad though. I just recently noticed on a web board with gif's on it and now I noticed some freezing issues while using zillow.com

The worst I have ever seen was from this url http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.php?showtopic=6212 on that thread. Its very very bad for some reason (I hunted that thread down so I hope you try it lol) but its very very choppy scrolling on it.
I think its the Bryant or whatever banners. Hope that helps you track down the problem!

Eric

I have the same problem on that page, though I dont think it's a scrollling problem directly, for me the CPU usage is 50% (dual core so one processor maxed) while on on that page, hit back and cpu drops to near zero. I have several pages I know of that have the same problem, one even pushes the CPU usage to 95%. If I switch tabs off the page the CPU drops to zero. This is a clean XP-MCE machine with IE7 (no betas ever installed).

I don't see the same problem on our 2003 servers though.

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stealth916 — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:08:54 GMT

After updating to the latest MS mouse drivers - I have to report that the IE7 Scrolling problem still exists.

For the first time I also watched my CPU load for iexplore.exe - and it goes to 100% when I scroll the page I will refrence below.

Regardless of plugins - this problem is NOT exhibited on IE6. So no one should have to go down the 'what plug in do you have' road to solve this mangy little bug. There are more reports of this problem being independently reported every day - found via Google.

I will add one interesting observation however: The problem IS NOT EXHIBITED if I hold my mouse over a BLANK area of the page!?!

Here is an example:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/index.php

That page has horrid scrolling in IE7 with the mouse wheel. HOWEVER - if you hold your mouse cursor to the far left and get to a white space on the page - the problem GOES AWAY. You can scroll the same page smoothly if your mouse is not over the main table or any text??? Oh well - that's the way it is for me with the latest Intellimouse driver - your mileage may vary.

It is a farce; I have no choice but to go back to IE6 for a couple of months until this gets sorted out. Now I'll be adding a few extra months of testing to the IE7 pilot group for good measure too, before rolling it out with WSUS.

In this case, the '7' in IE7 is a good estimate of the year tick this century that it will see the light of day in my enterprise.

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MB — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:12:29 GMT

For me, scrolling doesn't seem like an issue, but I always have smooth scrolling disabled... as it annoyed me even in IE6.

On the other hand... Animations and Flash in IE7 will see my CPU max out within a second or so... and the CPU fan on my PC roars like a Jumbo approaching V2... I half expect the box to rotate and take off. Everyone in the office knows when I'm looking as "moving" stuff.

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JChung2006 — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:28:49 GMT

I am curious what sort of graphics hardware the people with slow scrolling IE problems have in their PC's.

I have a decent ATI card (top of the line, c. 2004-05) and have not experienced any of the scrolling problems mentioned in this thread, not even on any of the several URL's pointed out as examples in this thread.

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stealth916 — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:59:43 GMT

This is a plain and simple comparison of browsers: Many that do not have the problem, and one that DOES, on MANY TYPES of reference hardware. The common denominator is IE7.

It doesn't matter what video card, CPU, mouse, etc you have. Those items may affect the DEGREE to which you are afflicted by this IE7 mouse scrolling problem. But let's be clear: many people with various reference systems are reporting this problem. It *IS* an IE7 problem.

Here is another fine example, one I am sure you are all familiar with:

http://slashdot.org/

Again, if you scroll over the white space to the side - it goes much faster.

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sakisp — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:12:46 GMT

Scrolling issue is very noticeable when using IE maximized with a hires screen. Scrolling a webpage on 1600x1200 requires much more resources than same page on a 1280x1024 screen.
Although I use fast systems equipped with 2-4GB RAM and very fast video cards, I still have this problem with most webpages, when scrolling them with mouse wheel.

The only fix I've found so far, is to uncheck "Enable visual styles on buttons and controls..." option in IE7 advanced settings thus I assume that something is going wrong with web control theming code.

I wonder why so far nobody from MS IE team has commented on this issue!

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PerfectPhase — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:41:20 GMT

stealth916 wrote:

Again, if you scroll over the white space to the side - it goes much faster.

Same here on the pages I have issue with.

BTW this page has no flash, no animated gifs etc.

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Mark301594 — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 06:49:13 GMT

IE6 didn’t exhibit any jaggedness whatsoever when page scrolling, but IE7 is a completely different story. I’m glad I finally found this discussion thread because this problem has been driving me mad!

I hope Microsoft resolves this problem soon... because this is quickly becoming unbearable.

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Nitz Walsh — Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:43:17 GMT

So...any IE developers want to chime in here? Are they aware of the issue?

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PetKnep — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:30:49 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote:

So...any IE developers want to chime in here? Are they aware of the issue?

No (but I'm sick of the n-million bumps so I will) and yeah. Stop bumping the thread. It's been reported. The past 10 bumps were enough.

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MB — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:41:56 GMT

PetKnep wrote:

Nitz Walsh wrote: So...any IE developers want to chime in here? Are they aware of the issue?

No (but I'm sick of the n-million bumps so I will) and yeah. Stop bumping the thread. It's been reported. The past 10 bumps were enough.

Well, I'll bump it again just for you... tool.

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PetKnep — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:06:05 GMT

MB wrote:

Well, I'll bump it again just for you... tool.

Ad hominem attacks aren't very useful for getting your point across.

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MB — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:30:08 GMT

PetKnep wrote:

MB wrote:
Well, I'll bump it again just for you... tool.

Ad hominem attacks aren't very useful for getting your point across.

If MS screwed up and people want to say that something doesn't work, then I don't give a rats how "annoyed" you get by the thread being bumped... and you can take you holier-than-thou attitute and jam it, sunshine.

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PetKnep — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:34:05 GMT

MB wrote:

PetKnep wrote:

MB wrote:
Well, I'll bump it again just for you... tool.

Ad hominem attacks aren't very useful for getting your point across.

If MS screwed up and people want to say that something doesn't work, then I don't give a rats how "annoyed" you get by the thread being bumped... and you can take you holier-than-thou attitute and jam it, sunshine.

We've got the issue filed.

As for the issue of my attitude, I'm not the one name calling here. Take a chill pill, grab a cup of tea and take a deep breath. It's just the internet. I'm not trying to rile anyone up here.

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MB — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:04:49 GMT

PetKnep wrote:

MB wrote:

PetKnep wrote:

MB wrote:
Well, I'll bump it again just for you... tool.

Ad hominem attacks aren't very useful for getting your point across.

If MS screwed up and people want to say that something doesn't work, then I don't give a rats how "annoyed" you get by the thread being bumped... and you can take you holier-than-thou attitute and jam it, sunshine.

We've got the issue filed.

As for the issue of my attitude, I'm not the one name calling here. Take a chill pill, grab a cup of tea and take a deep breath. It's just the internet. I'm not trying to rile anyone up here.

What? -- read your own post again and tell me who has the attitude issue.

Here's a news flash for you buddy... you are a Microsoft Employee... I'm a Microsoft CUSTOMER.

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PetKnep — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:26:12 GMT

MB wrote:

PetKnep wrote:

MB wrote:

PetKnep wrote:

MB wrote:
Well, I'll bump it again just for you... tool.

Ad hominem attacks aren't very useful for getting your point across.

If MS screwed up and people want to say that something doesn't work, then I don't give a rats how "annoyed" you get by the thread being bumped... and you can take you holier-than-thou attitute and jam it, sunshine.

We've got the issue filed.

As for the issue of my attitude, I'm not the one name calling here. Take a chill pill, grab a cup of tea and take a deep breath. It's just the internet. I'm not trying to rile anyone up here.

What? -- read your own post again and tell me who has the attitude issue.

Here's a news flash for you buddy... you are a Microsoft Employee... I'm a Microsoft CUSTOMER.

I'm helping you with your issue. You are calling me names, getting angry and telling me to put things up my butt. Once again, it's just the internet, you should go have a cup of tea.

We can take this offline so we aren't boring everyone else. If you have any other problems with me or IE 7, go ahead and email me petknep at microsoft.

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Nitz Walsh — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:03:07 GMT

PetKnep wrote:

No (but I'm sick of the n-million bumps so I will) and yeah. Stop bumping the thread. It's been reported. The past 10 bumps were enough.

While MB's responses consisting of childish insults can hardly be excused, this type of response isn't exactly indicative of professional behavoir either.

A simple "Yes, we're aware of it" would have sufficed, which would have resulted in a "Good to hear, thanks!" response from myself. We clearly want IE7 to be better so it can be our main browser, politely asking about a speed problem (which is very significant to some people, especially as no other browser has this) should not result in such a snarky tone.

Hate to break it to you, but while informal, this isn't Usenet. Gawd knows if I responded in that style when I was represeting my organization, I would have gotten a stern boot up the (I need to watch my language).

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BruceMorgan — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:26:43 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote:

Hate to break it to you, but while informal, this isn't Usenet. Gawd knows if I responded in that style when I was represeting my organization, I would have gotten a stern boot up the (I need to watch my language).

You're missing one of the points of Channel9.

Peter isn't representing Microsoft on Channel9, he's representing himself and while he happens to be a Microsoft employee (same as me) he's not on company time, he's not paid to do this, and his points and comments are his own. As long as he doesn't voilate his employment agreement by discussing "Microsoft Confidential" information, he can say what he wants.

If you want us to represent Microsoft, then chances are you get dead silence on anything controversial because we're not the people paid to talk about anything controversial.

If you want us to represent Microsoft, then when it comes to bug reports or other problems, we'll send you to http:///support.microsoft.com and call it handled. Peter and I are both paid to develop software, not support it, and certainly not support it for free.

But most people here seem to want actual interaction from Microsoft employees visiting Channel9. And that means you don't get to pull out this "you're an employee, and I'm a customer" crap like you're yelling at the airline counter clerk.

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LaBomba — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:33:24 GMT

Somebody from the team could have if they wanted to, commented that it's a known issue and the bumping would then have ceased.

if you didn't want to comment on the issue, that's also fine, your right.

Continue to ignore but then don't get pissed at a user for trying to bring their issue to somebody's attention.

peter's being a little touchy, nobody is forcing him to read this thread.

just my 2 cents. [A]

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Nitz Walsh — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:21:32 GMT

BruceMorgan wrote:

But most people here seem to want actual interaction from Microsoft employees visiting Channel9. And that means you don't get to pull out this "you're an employee, and I'm a customer" crap like you're yelling at the airline counter clerk.

Spare me the melodrama please, I'm not the one hurling insults here. Please indicate what you believe in my posts constitues as "yelling", I'd love to see it. You truly believe "Hey, any IE developers want to comment on this" equates to the abuse an airline clerk receives? You can't be serious.

No one is asking for the level of interaction that you would expect from paid support, just a small degree of professionalism in response to an honest question (that had a smiley attached, btw). The response was uncalled for, and frankly as mentioned the "bumps" wouldn't have been necessary if someone had just responded with "Yes, it's a known issue". Issue solved, and it would have been recieved with thanks.

And btw, the "bumps" were people chiming in with their own experience - much of this thread was about that, as all bug-related threads are. My question was posted a whopping *one day* after the last post. The picture you're painting of poor developers being hounded simply does not coincide with reality.

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BruceMorgan — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:44:17 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote:

BruceMorgan wrote:

But most people here seem to want actual interaction from Microsoft employees visiting Channel9. And that means you don't get to pull out this "you're an employee, and I'm a customer" crap like you're yelling at the airline counter clerk.

Spare me the melodrama please, I'm not the one hurling insults here. Please indicate what you believe in my posts constitues as "yelling", I'd love to see it. You truly believe "Hey, any IE developers want to comment on this" equates to the abuse an airline clerk receives? You can't be serious.

No one is asking for the level of interaction that you would expect from paid support, just a small degree of professionalism in response to an honest question (that had a smiley attached, btw). The response was uncalled for, and frankly as mentioned the "bumps" wouldn't have been necessary if someone had just responded with "Yes, it's a known issue". Issue solved, and it would have been recieved with thanks.

And btw, the "bumps" were people chiming in with their own experience - much of this thread was about that, as all bug-related threads are. My question was posted a whopping *one day* after the last post. The picture you're painting of poor developers being hounded simply does not coincide with reality.

The latter part of my post was in response to the broader context, not just the part of your post I quoted. MB was yelling with the "Microsoft CUSTOMER" bit - you did not. I should have said "people don't get to yell at us", not "you". Apologies. MB's insults are what is getting Peter riled up...

Nitz, I don't think you don't get to expect professionalism just because we're Microsoft employees. Common courtesy, perhaps, but not professionalism.

While I personally believe in always taking the high road (although I don't always live up to that), I don't think anyone should expect us MS employees to ignore insults and put up with crap. So don't be surprised if we respond in kind.

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Nitz Walsh — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:23:27 GMT

BruceMorgan wrote:

The latter part of my post was in response to the broader context, not just the part of your post I quoted. MB was yelling with the "Microsoft CUSTOMER" bit - you did not. I should have said "people don't get to yell at us", not "you". Apologies. MB's insults are what is getting Peter riled up...

Thank you for the apologies, appreciated. When you only quote my post though, it does tend to indicate you're directing at least the bulk of your comments in response to it alone, hence my confusion.

I agree that MB's response was extremely juvenile, and commented as such.

BM wrote:
"While I personally believe in always taking the high road (although I don't always live up to that), I don't think anyone should expect us MS employees to ignore insults and put up with crap. So don't be surprised if we respond in kind."

Of course not - no one is defending MB's rantings here, any MS employee would have full recourse to smack him down after those insults. I just felt the initial respone to my query (which I felt was innocent enough) didn't warrant the annoyed tone.

BTW, I just checked and IE7's scroll speed is still slow. What the hell are you guys doing over there?!?

(SMILEY! SMILEY!)

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BruceMorgan — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:43:04 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote:

BTW, I just checked and IE7's scroll speed is still slow. What the hell are you guys doing over there?!?

(SMILEY! SMILEY!)

The long awaited official answer to why IE7's scrolling speed is slower on some pages:

Because

Now you know.

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SecretSoftware — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:02:52 GMT

Nitz Walsh wrote: BTW, I just checked and IE7's scroll speed is still slow. What the hell are you guys doing over there?!?

(SMILEY! SMILEY!)

They might be day dreaming as usual , re: IE8

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Nitz Walsh — Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:49:57 GMT

Why don't we ask Michael Richards the reason for IE7's slow scrolling?

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taylormaai — Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:07:40 GMT

Fantastic. That jerky scrolling was driving me nutz on a few of my favorite sites. The un-checking the "Enable visual styles on buttons and controls on webpages" (found under TOOLS|INTERNET OPTIONS|ADVANCED(tab)) appears to have resolved the issue. It's now smooth scrolling. Thanks for the *tip*.

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California_mike — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:22:50 GMT

We upgraded all our PC's in the house to use IE7, and my entire family immediately noticed the newly introduced slowness. Microsoft products just keep getting better!

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mjdbb1 — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:00:41 GMT

Any news about whether this issue is going to be addressed?

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DiabloNY — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:05:02 GMT

It's almost March 2007, and this laggy/slow wheel scrolling problem hasn't been solved yet.

As a poster mentioned above, the slow scrolling problem disappears when you move the mouse pointer to a blank area (or white space) on the page you are scrolling in.

I have found that this scrolling issue happens when viewing ANY forum thread, where there are many posts (about 100 or so) shown at once. It seems that the CPU gets bogged down by IE7 if the mouse pointer is in the middle of the page. If you move the mouse pointer off to the side, and scroll while pointing to a blank area, the scrolling is smooth, and lag-free.

The "enable visual styles" solution solves a different problem - it only helps fix those pages that are using the visual styles buttons and such.

I really hope this problem is fixed soon. This is the only thing keeping me from switiching over from FireFox.

D.

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DiabloNY — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:13:05 GMT

BUMP!!! [A]

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intelman — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:45:09 GMT

IE7 Scrolling is terrible. And some websites are worse than others. Like this one. http://videogames.yahoo.com/gamemain?cid=1993122107&tab=&page=0&eid=-1

It scrolls fine in Firefox 2.0.0.3 for me. But in IE7, it is pretty choppy.

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DiabloNY — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:57:55 GMT

This is a perfect description of the problem I have. BUMP!!!

stealth916 wrote:

After updating to the latest MS mouse drivers - I have to report that the IE7 Scrolling problem still exists.

For the first time I also watched my CPU load for iexplore.exe - and it goes to 100% when I scroll the page I will refrence below.

Regardless of plugins - this problem is NOT exhibited on IE6. So no one should have to go down the 'what plug in do you have' road to solve this mangy little bug. There are more reports of this problem being independently reported every day - found via Google.

I will add one interesting observation however: The problem IS NOT EXHIBITED if I hold my mouse over a BLANK area of the page!?!

Here is an example:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/index.php

That page has horrid scrolling in IE7 with the mouse wheel. HOWEVER - if you hold your mouse cursor to the far left and get to a white space on the page - the problem GOES AWAY. You can scroll the same page smoothly if your mouse is not over the main table or any text??? Oh well - that's the way it is for me with the latest Intellimouse driver - your mileage may vary.

It is a farce; I have no choice but to go back to IE6 for a couple of months until this gets sorted out. Now I'll be adding a few extra months of testing to the IE7 pilot group for good measure too, before rolling it out with WSUS.

In this case, the '7' in IE7 is a good estimate of the year tick this century that it will see the light of day in my enterprise.

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Jedis — Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:37:02 GMT

I registered just to post on this thread.

IE7 scrolling is horrid on Vista. I'm having the same problem as the posters in this thread. CPU Usage jumps to 100% when scrolling a website.

... Also if I type at normal speed in this WYSIWYG editor, CPU usage jumps to 100%. This was not the case in XP running IE6.

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DiabloNY — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:33:45 GMT

IE7 slow scrolling has caused me to sign up for this web site too! BUMP!

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sakisp — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:37:34 GMT

DiabloNY wrote:

IE7 slow scrolling has caused me to sign up for this web site too! BUMP!

Unfortunately there is no solution to this issue yet. I'm pretty sure that MS will do nothing before IE8. Even that I doubt it will be any faster.
Do you remember the gold coding rule for new software versions: "smaller - faster - more efficient"? If so then forget it, it doesn't apply any more

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DiabloNY — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:06:11 GMT

sakisp wrote:

DiabloNY wrote: IE7 slow scrolling has caused me to sign up for this web site too! BUMP!

Unfortunately there is no solution to this issue yet. I'm pretty sure that MS will do nothing before IE8. Even that I doubt it will be any faster.
Do you remember the gold coding rule for new software versions: "smaller - faster - more efficient"? If so then forget it, it doesn't apply any more

Do you know the cause of the problem, by any chance? I can't believe this crap...

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androidi — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:35:55 GMT

DiabloNY wrote:

This is a perfect description of the problem I have. BUMP!!!

stealth916 wrote: After updating to the latest MS mouse drivers - I have to report that the IE7 Scrolling problem still exists.

For the first time I also watched my CPU load for iexplore.exe - and it goes to 100% when I scroll the page I will refrence below.

Regardless of plugins - this problem is NOT exhibited on IE6. So no one should have to go down the 'what plug in do you have' road to solve this mangy little bug. There are more reports of this problem being independently reported every day - found via Google.

I will add one interesting observation however: The problem IS NOT EXHIBITED if I hold my mouse over a BLANK area of the page!?!

Here is an example:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/index.php

That page has horrid scrolling in IE7 with the mouse wheel. HOWEVER - if you hold your mouse cursor to the far left and get to a white space on the page - the problem GOES AWAY. You can scroll the same page smoothly if your mouse is not over the main table or any text??? Oh well - that's the way it is for me with the latest Intellimouse driver - your mileage may vary.

It is a farce; I have no choice but to go back to IE6 for a couple of months until this gets sorted out. Now I'll be adding a few extra months of testing to the IE7 pilot group for good measure too, before rolling it out with WSUS.

In this case, the '7' in IE7 is a good estimate of the year tick this century that it will see the light of day in my enterprise.

I disabled java script, it had no effect but moving the mouse cursor over the lines that separate columns and rows in makes CPU go wild, with a lot of the following in stack trace:

mshtml.dll!DllGetClassObject+0x.......

To me that doesn't tell enough to pinpoint the issue but there might be something about the stylesheet or other visual options in that page that make it heavy to process.

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intelman — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:56:14 GMT

Does anyone that can fix this actually read this? Firefox seems a lot more appealing because of this issue.

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PaoloM — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:04:57 GMT

intelman wrote:

Does anyone that can fix this actually read this?

Did you read this thread or are you just jumping in now?

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intelman — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:32:00 GMT

I've contributed and read.

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DiabloNY — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:11:58 GMT

androidi wrote:

DiabloNY wrote: This is a perfect description of the problem I have. BUMP!!!

stealth916 wrote: After updating to the latest MS mouse drivers - I have to report that the IE7 Scrolling problem still exists.

For the first time I also watched my CPU load for iexplore.exe - and it goes to 100% when I scroll the page I will refrence below.

Regardless of plugins - this problem is NOT exhibited on IE6. So no one should have to go down the 'what plug in do you have' road to solve this mangy little bug. There are more reports of this problem being independently reported every day - found via Google.

I will add one interesting observation however: The problem IS NOT EXHIBITED if I hold my mouse over a BLANK area of the page!?!

Here is an example:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/index.php

That page has horrid scrolling in IE7 with the mouse wheel. HOWEVER - if you hold your mouse cursor to the far left and get to a white space on the page - the problem GOES AWAY. You can scroll the same page smoothly if your mouse is not over the main table or any text??? Oh well - that's the way it is for me with the latest Intellimouse driver - your mileage may vary.

It is a farce; I have no choice but to go back to IE6 for a couple of months until this gets sorted out. Now I'll be adding a few extra months of testing to the IE7 pilot group for good measure too, before rolling it out with WSUS.

In this case, the '7' in IE7 is a good estimate of the year tick this century that it will see the light of day in my enterprise.

I disabled java script, it had no effect but moving the mouse cursor over the lines that separate columns and rows in makes CPU go wild, with a lot of the following in stack trace:

mshtml.dll!DllGetClassObject+0x.......

To me that doesn't tell enough to pinpoint the issue but there might be something about the stylesheet or other visual options in that page that make it heavy to process.

Good insight. Anybody know what that means?

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PaoloM — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:35:02 GMT

intelman wrote:

I've contributed and read.

So you are aware that an issue has been filed and it will be considered.

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DiabloNY — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:10:39 GMT

Is it inefficiency of the programming? Could it have something to do with the fact that IE7 does "true zooming" (zooms text AND graphics, rather than text ONLY), and therefore "sees" web pages differently than the typical browser? This might require more processing power, and the CPU has to work hard to redraw the pointer icon when you wheel scroll over graphics and borders and whatnot... I dunno.. Just a stab...

Or..... is it just a glitch that Microsoft overlooked?

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DiabloNY — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:32:26 GMT

Bump.

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PaoloM — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:13:05 GMT

Ok, I'm getting tired of this.

Stop bumping this thread.

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momus — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:02:51 GMT

On a reasonably fast computer, 1Mb mem, v. fast cable connection.

In IE7 most of the web sites work fine, but SOME are very slow in displaying and horribly slow and jerky scrolling makes them unusable.

Cases:

1. Due to "fill" in the background of the page. When I save the page locally on my computer it is still slow, but when I edit (with Word) and remove fill, the jerky problem goes away.   The fill on the slow pages is usually done with tightly spaced horizontal lines.   I've noticed this problematic "fill" on many jerky-scroll web sites.
For an example see:   http://www.warsawvoice.pl/

2. CNBC.com new site.     It has just been fixed!!!   Until two days ago it was atrociously slow with terribly jerky scrolling ( and I've complained to CNBC a few times).
When I just went to check, it scrolls fine now!   I could not edit that page locally, but the new page shows a black background displaying first and then the content.   I guess that the problem could have been also related to "fill" in the background.

With any lack Microsoft will fix this problem in the next few years...

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DiabloNY — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:46:24 GMT

momus wrote:

On a reasonably fast computer, 1Mb mem, v. fast cable connection.

In IE7 most of the web sites work fine, but SOME are very slow in displaying and horribly slow and jerky scrolling makes them unusable.

Cases:

1. Due to "fill" in the background of the page. When I save the page locally on my computer it is still slow, but when I edit (with Word) and remove fill, the jerky problem goes away.   The fill on the slow pages is usually done with tightly spaced horizontal lines.   I've noticed this problematic "fill" on many jerky-scroll web sites.
For an example see:   http://www.warsawvoice.pl/

2. CNBC.com new site.     It has just been fixed!!!   Until two days ago it was atrociously slow with terribly jerky scrolling ( and I've complained to CNBC a few times).
When I just went to check, it scrolls fine now!   I could not edit that page locally, but the new page shows a black background displaying first and then the content.   I guess that the problem could have been also related to "fill" in the background.

With any lack Microsoft will fix this problem in the next few years...

The Warsaw Voice page you link is smooth for me.

This is NOT smooth if you keep the pointer in the middle of the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

But this IS smooth:
http://www.msnbc.com

How did you fare for these links?

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DiabloNY — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:56:06 GMT

Bump.

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JonathonW — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:05:29 GMT

DiabloNY wrote:

Bump.

The IE team is looking into it. There's no need to keep on bumping this thread, it's not going to get you anywhere.

If I were a moderator, I'd lock this thread and ban you. Guess it's a good thing I'm not a mod.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:19:42 GMT

You could check your mouse settings... with my MS Natural Laser 6000 (or summit like that) you can have program specific settings, perhaps you (or a fiddler family member or summit) has turned mouse sensitivity down low?

I had this problem, thats what my brother did for me. I switched to FireFox as its a much better program and i havent looked back. and yes, Opera owns.

L

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sakisp — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:24:24 GMT

Lloyd_Humph wrote:

I switched to FireFox as its a much better program and i havent looked back.

Firefox ? No thanks, I prefer living with IE7 issues

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DiabloNY — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:37:43 GMT

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:

DiabloNY wrote: Bump.

The IE team is looking into it. There's no need to keep on bumping this thread, it's not going to get you anywhere.

If I were a moderator, I'd lock this thread and ban you. Guess it's a good thing I'm not a mod.

The IE team has had a long-enough time to fix this issue. If we keep this thread active and keep discussing the issue, there's a possibility that someone talented might be able to solve (or at least find the cause of) this problem.

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PaoloM — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:07:44 GMT

DiabloNY wrote:

The IE team has had a long-enough time to fix this issue.

The IE team will put a fix for this issue out probably in the SP1 or IE8 timeframe.

Stop bumping this thread, as it will not expedite any kind of resolution this way.

DiabloNY wrote:

If we keep this thread active and keep discussing the issue, there's a possibility that someone talented might be able to solve (or at least find the cause of) this problem.

Are you implying that nobody "talented" took a look at this?

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DiabloNY — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:21:06 GMT

PaoloM wrote:

DiabloNY wrote: The IE team has had a long-enough time to fix this issue.

The IE team will put a fix for this issue out probably in the SP1 or IE8 timeframe.

Stop bumping this thread, as it will not expedite any kind of resolution this way.

DiabloNY wrote: If we keep this thread active and keep discussing the issue, there's a possibility that someone talented might be able to solve (or at least find the cause of) this problem.

Are you implying that nobody "talented" took a look at this?

No.

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PaoloM — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:11:21 GMT

DiabloNY wrote:

PaoloM wrote:

DiabloNY wrote: The IE team has had a long-enough time to fix this issue.

The IE team will put a fix for this issue out probably in the SP1 or IE8 timeframe.

Stop bumping this thread, as it will not expedite any kind of resolution this way.

DiabloNY wrote: If we keep this thread active and keep discussing the issue, there's a possibility that someone talented might be able to solve (or at least find the cause of) this problem.

Are you implying that nobody "talented" took a look at this?

No.

So why did you say

there's a possibility that someone talented might be able to solve (or at least find the cause of) this problem.

One last time: the bug is filed. It will be fixed when there's time to fix it. A fix will be released when it's time to ship fixes.

Stop
bumping
this
thread.

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Deactivated User — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:24:28 GMT

Post removed at user's request.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:08:11 GMT

im sure many people would swear by those "fiddly geek things". Evidently you have no use for them, but please, dont bother insulting the people who do. I do, however i use geek as a badge of pride (not really).

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DiabloNY — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:45:53 GMT

PaoloM wrote:

DiabloNY wrote:

PaoloM wrote:

DiabloNY wrote: The IE team has had a long-enough time to fix this issue.

The IE team will put a fix for this issue out probably in the SP1 or IE8 timeframe.

Stop bumping this thread, as it will not expedite any kind of resolution this way.

DiabloNY wrote: If we keep this thread active and keep discussing the issue, there's a possibility that someone talented might be able to solve (or at least find the cause of) this problem.

Are you implying that nobody "talented" took a look at this?

No.

So why did you say

there's a possibility that someone talented might be able to solve (or at least find the cause of) this problem.

One last time: the bug is filed. It will be fixed when there's time to fix it. A fix will be released when it's time to ship fixes.

Stop
bumping
this
thread.

I didn't imply, nor say, that those who looked at this problem are not talented.

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sakisp — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:19:47 GMT

BobTurbo wrote:

Firefox looks like ancient software compared to IE7. The IE team did a great job.

I wouldn't say that IE team did great job. It's the Firefox developers who did much worst.
In any case, IE7 is still the best in terms of stability although it lacks many features found in both FF and Opera.

PS (@PaoloM): I have a high degree of respect for all MS developers. However I still wonder how all these talented people, didn't notice IE7 slowness before finalizing the code ...

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Ucsbguy — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:50:22 GMT

sakisp wrote:

In any case, IE7 is still the best in terms of stability although it lacks many features found in both FF and Opera.

Solution: http://www.ie7pro.com/ and http://enhanceie.com
Most of the features that power users love so much about Fx and Opera are not things that my mother would not use and never understand.

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You can't handle my name — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:27:34 GMT

"The IE team will put a fix for this issue out probably in the SP1 or IE8 timeframe."

I sure as hell hope it this slow scrolling does get fixed, I'm a web dev and wanting to use transparent png files on websites can add a nice touch, but the scroll speed in IE7 just kills that idea off most the time, depending on how much area the png covers, FF seems to handle transparent png's a little better, but FF sucks without a ton of strap on extensions.

Also you think them IE team guys could also include a better looking image icon for the MMB scroll whenever this next IE release comes out...^{(hmm I wonder if FF3 will be out before it?)} ..The current one looks rubbish, what with its jaggy pixel circle.. I mean take a look at the transparent one used Firefox, at least do something like that, its a cosmetic thing, but as maxthon still uses this engine I still see it.. did I say it looks ugly?

~~Solution:~~ ~~http://www.ie7pro.com/~~ ~~and~~ http://enhanceie.com/">~~http://enhanceie.com~~

Much better solution: http://www.maxthon.com

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sakisp — Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:09:35 GMT

Ucsbguy wrote:

Solution: http://www.ie7pro.com/ and http://enhanceie.com/"> http://enhanceie.com

Hmm, never liked the add ins idea and my experience from most, if not all extensions, is very very negative.

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DiabloNY — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:41:06 GMT

sakisp wrote:

Ucsbguy wrote: Solution: http://www.ie7pro.com/ and http://enhanceie.com/">http://enhanceie.com

Hmm, never liked the add ins idea and my experience from most, if not all extensions, is very very negative.

I agree.

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IE7EatsAllCPUWhileScollingSlowly — Wed, 16 May 2007 20:35:01 GMT

sakisp wrote:

saurus wrote:
...i too find it very very jerky and slow on certain webpages and it is the only thing that puts me off using IE7 as my future browser

Seems that isn't fixed in IE7 final. It is the widget styling that cause this slow rendering when scrolling. Not only slows down scrolling speed but also uses a lot of CPU resources, especially when pages contain many buttons, input boxes etc.

Try to disable visual styles (Internet Options - Advanced - Enable visual styles on buttons and controls in webpages). I did that and IE7 scrolling performance is equal to IE6.

I wonder what IE7 developers have changed to styling code and made it so slow. Maybe optimized it for Vista?

Disabling Visual Styles helps a bit, but I really can't understand why IE 7 has to eat all CPU-cycles just to scroll when IE 6 didn't?

I have never tried making a web-browser, but I can't help wondering how this is done? Isn't possible to just render more than the visible part that is in the window right now in a "superbitmap" and when the user scroll just show another part of that superbitmap? Of course that wouldn't work on very long and/or wide web-pages, but it could be done bit by bit while the user is scrolling.

The way it works now I assume the rendering is done "on-the-fly" while the user is scrolling? Which would lead to a lot of work being done over and over again every time the webpage is moved a bit.

Playing with figures, a screen resolution of 1024x768x3 (24-bit color) would take 2,25 Mb of memory (uncompressed bitmap, that is). If one would make a superbitmap five times that, it's a little more than 11 Mb. That nothing to what IE 7 already uses! And I think most people (having 1GB or more in all new machines) would at least appreciate the possibility to choose more memory consumption for less CPU consumption!

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coryking — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:59:31 GMT

Prefix: Next build - you guys need to make it easy to copy & paste the build number from the about page in IE7

IE7 build 7.0.6000.016448 - Vista Ultimate 32bit, 2gig ram, fast processor.

This page is slow & jerky:
http://videogames.yahoo.com/gamereview?cid=1993979114&tab=reviews&page=0&eid=491072

Any comment pages from my own site:
http://www.photographica.org/story/comments/2007/5/8/6240/44545

In addition, it takes a noticable amount of time to activate the tab these are loaded into. I'll be watching this thread, but is there a work around? Is there a something I could do with CSS / Javascript to stop this?

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Springmike — Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:53:32 GMT

Had the same problem and it was my Video Card Driver.

Go to Start>Control Panel>System>Hardware>Device Manager>Display Adapters If you have the Yellow Question Mark then Install the Drivers for the Vid Card. Or, cheack for an update and then uninstall and reinstall the driver.

Worked PERFECTLY for me.

Running XP SP2 & IE7

The choppy scroll WAS driving me nuts as well.

Hope this works for ya'll

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julman99 — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:25:16 GMT

Hi, i am a developer and I've been experiencing the slow scroll problem.

Can yo be more specific about the "fill" problem??

Thanks

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mulletboy2 — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:10:41 GMT

Hi guys,

I'm quite shocked by the attitude of some. "Don't bump the thread" or "Wait until Microsoft releases a patch". Why bother using a forum if that's all of the help you're going to be? Moreover, why be a web developer if you're going to wait for everything to be fixed for you?

Anyway, enough of that little rant...

I came across this thread earlier, having stumbled across the same IE7 bug. A little reading around and experimenting and I've come up with a possible solution. It won't work all of the time, but it may help some people around the bug (even prior to MS's imminent fix ) -

The problem came up on a site I didn't write, so I had to dig around. I found that the offending css was a single line calling a background image, and that said image was 1 by 2 pixels. Opened it in Photoshop and found it was empty - ok, so its a single transparency level png.

I didn't experience the 100% CPU usage described above, but I wondered why a single image would make so much of a difference to the redraw speed. My answer was confirmed when I enlarged the image.

The cause of the slow redraws appears to be the number of times the bg image tiles, so if possible, make your bg images larger. I went up to 1000*1000px and on a page with about 10 folds, my redraws are now instantaneous.

Hope this helps someone, and sorry if I've stepped on any toes

Mark

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crashdavissport — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:19:13 GMT

I was experiencing the same problem with IE7 and the very slow scrolling issue on XP Home. Example...when you tried to use the scroll wheel on the mouse, it would scroll 1 pixel at a time for 3 to 4 lines then jump an entire page. Same thing happened with the scroll bar on the right side of the screen.

I went to Microsoft's website, and found a patch that was made for SP2 and SP3 to update the browser and it did fix it. However, next time my Live Update came on, it overwrote that fix, because the update was newer than the patch.

So after getting a little frustrtaed, I Googled the issue, and came up with the issue. It was the new SP3 Phishing Filter issue. Microsoft has an update that eliminates the problem and doesn't make the live update want to overwrite.

Here is the brief overview of the patch from Microsoft:

Overview

This update resolves a performance issue with the Phishing Filter. When visiting certain web pages, the Phishing Filter may increase CPU usage while evaluating the page contents and the system may become slow to respond. This problem occurs on pages that contain multiple frames or when multiple frame navigations occur quickly. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.

Go to: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=EF6EA470-D51C-4BE5-A15B-74430E9E2AD4&displaylang=en

I hope this helps!