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UPDATE 2008 - This thread is 2+ years old. It was revived by another niner. No need to "discuss" this topic.


--Update-- This thread deals with White-space, not tables.


Over the years I have been using IE as my primary browser, simply because of it's popularity, and ease of use...now I'm getting sick of it.

I'll just bring in one suspect today, IE and table-rendering.

Did you know that

<td width="192" height="307"><img src="hi.jpg" width="192" height="307" /></td>

is different than

<td width="192" height="307">
    <?php
       $var = "hi";
       print "<img src=$var.".jpg" width=\"192\" height=\"307\" />";
    ?>
</td>

...Yes, they are both treated differently. The second will throw the parent <td> dimensions out of whack.

Do you know how I have to write the second in order for it to render properly?

I have to put ALL OF THE CODE in a single line! So it becomes this:

<td width="192" height="307"><?php $var = "hi"; print "<img src=$var.".jpg" width=\"192\" height=\"307\" />"; ?></td>

Annoyingly hard to read? I know, and that's how my source-code has to look in order for IE to properly render a <td><img></td> with fixed widths in both elements.

So, where do I file my complaint for IE to get 'fixed' so I can actually have some source-formatting in my code? Smiley

Regards,
Jonathan Sampson

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https://connect.microsoft.com/IE

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<td width="192" height="307"><?php
       $var = "hi";
       print "<img src=$var.".jpg" width=\"192\" height=\"307\" />";
?></td>

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Eithe way, this shouldn't be a problem; IE should eliminate all white-space when processing, so as to not have this problem.

<td>something</td>

should be treated the same as

<td>
    Something
</td>

period Smiley

Thanks for the input though, and I will double-check when I get to the house on my lunch break.

Jonathan

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If you have errors in your document, IE goes into garbage rendering mode and the result becomes unpredictable.

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ZippyV wrote:
I just checked at W3: there is no height and width in td.

If you have errors in your document, IE goes into garbage rendering mode and the result becomes unpredictable.


That's almost a non-issue though; the point still remains that IE handles both code-blocks differently, regardless their height and width in HTML or CSS.

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However, FireFox handles both blocks in the same way. IE has no consistnecy on this problem...but I have not tested with IE7 - so I don't know if this problem was addressed or not.

I just wish they all adhered to the suggested code-standards Smiley

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I think there's ways around this, but I seriously can't remember the last time I used a table. Chances are if you're having issues with tables than you're not using them correctly, I mean why create a table cell just for an image?

You should get a few results searching for white space bugs and such on Google.

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I'm not going to post the actual code, since it would be a bunch of space-waster.

I believe I'm using the table correctly; but correct me if I'm wrong.

Show me the correct table-using-method and I'm sure IE will still use both ways differently.

Regards,
Jonathan

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jsampsonPC wrote:
I believe I'm using the table correctly; but correct me if I'm wrong.

It's really simple. Tables should be used for tabular data, and only for tabular data. Not for layout.

Your sample is too small to determine whether you're breaking that rule (although putting an image in a cell wanting to specify the precise dimensions of the cells hints at a table used for layout purposes, I can't be certain of it).

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<table>
    <tr>
       <td><img src="names.jpg"></td>
       <td><img src="ages.jpg"></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
       <td>Sven Groot</td>
       <td>25</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
       <td>Jonathan Sampson</td>
       <td>23</td>
    </tr>
</table>

isn't treated the same as

<table>
    <tr>
       <td>
          <img src="names.jpg">
       </td>
       <td>
          <img src="ages.jpg">
       </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
       <td>
          Sven Groot
       </td>
       <td>
          25
       </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
       <td>
          Jonathan Sampson
       </td>
       <td>
          23
       </td>
    </tr>
</table>


This is tabular data, but still demonstrates my point.

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td.name {
    background-image: url(images/name.gif);
    background-repeat: no-repeat;
    width: 100px;
    height: 25px;
}
td.age {
    background-image: url(images/age.gif);
    background-repeat: no-repeat;
    width: 80px;
}
...
<td class="name">
    &nbsp;
</td>

<td class="age">
    &nbsp;
</td>
...

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I'm fully aware that there are ways to get around this problem; but what I'm trying to demonstrate is that in order for developers to get the results they want, they have to write little gimmick scripts to get by.

This is a minor bug, but one that I face more than I would like to. All of the browsers have these problems, this is just one with IE that is annoying me Smiley

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jsampsonPC wrote:
Yup; I could..but if StyleSheets are disabled, then the titles no longer display.

I'm fully aware that there are ways to get around this problem; but what I'm trying to demonstrate is that in order for developers to get the results they want, they have to write little gimmick scripts to get by.

This is a minor bug, but one that I face more than I would like to. All of the browsers have these problems, this is just one with IE that is annoying me


You have no idea how hard it can get, 'other' browsers are mostly fine, it's the other one that causes all the pain.

I highly doubt the IE team will give this bug much consideration, they won't even fix many of the big bugs.

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<img src="a.gif" alt="" />
<img src="b.gif" alt="" />

caused the images to have a space between them and in order to make them flush I had to change it to this:

<img src="a.gif" alt="" /><img src="b.gif" alt="" />

There's no seperation of layout/style and content there.

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AdamKinney wrote:
You should change the name to "whitespace rendering sucks" because it does.  Just last night I ran into the issue this:

<img src="a.gif" alt="" />
<img src="b.gif" alt="" />

caused the images to have a space between them and in order to make them flush I had to change it to this:

<img src="a.gif" alt="" /><img src="b.gif" alt="" />

There's no seperation of layout/style and content there.


That's because, at heart, Trident is still a HTML renderer rather than an XML renderer, so it treats whitespace differently (as if it were SGML)

...have you tried editing the whitespace:; property for the parent element?

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*clocks out*

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jsampsonPC wrote:
Very true; am I able to change the thread title?


Did you edit the subject field of the original post?

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jsampsonPC wrote:
Very true; am I able to change the thread title? If so, I will. Is it safe for a microsoft employee to be discussing this on a microsoft site? Pertaining to a microsoft application?


just click edit on the first post and change the title

edit: mvpstar beat me too it.  but its changed from here now

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BruceMorgan wrote:
Are you using quirks mode or strict mode?


Are you refering to CSS? This isn't a CSS issue from what I understand - but I could be wrong.

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jsampsonPC wrote:

BruceMorgan wrote: Are you using quirks mode or strict mode?


Are you refering to CSS? This isn't a CSS issue from what I understand - but I could be wrong.

Quirks mode vs. strict mode mainly affects CSS but also a few other things so it's definitely important to know. In case you didn't know, which mode is used depends on the DOCTYPE present in the HTML file. A HTML4.01 DOCTYPE (with both the public and system identifiers present) or higher (or an unknown DOCTYPE) will cause it to use strict mode. No DOCTYPE or an older one will cause it to use quirks mode.

An easy way to find out is to put the following script in your page:
<script type="text/javascript">
   alert(document.compatMode);
</script>

This'll prompt either "BackCompat" (quirks mode) or "CSS1Compat" (strict mode).

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jsampsonPC said:
Hmm, I'll checkout the white-space property when I get home...but to be honest, I have never used it before - could it be the answer to all of my problems? Smiley bah-da-da-dum! We'll see after I return from lunch.

*clocks out*
Hi, I have been searching all over for a discussion/resolution on this.  I realize this is an older post, but have you found a way to solve this rendering without having to put all of your images on the same line of code in the editor?  Thanks

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ScottWFB said:
jsampsonPC said:
*snip*
Hi, I have been searching all over for a discussion/resolution on this.  I realize this is an older post, but have you found a way to solve this rendering without having to put all of your images on the same line of code in the editor?  Thanks

display: block usually works.. but if not, use floating.. its not just an IE thing either..

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stevo_ said:
ScottWFB said:
*snip*

display: block usually works.. but if not, use floating.. its not just an IE thing either..

I don't recall ever experiencing this issue with anything but IE.

@ ScottWFB, no, I've found no solution. I haven't really noticed it lately though in IE7 - but that doesn't mean it won't creep up on me sometime in the future.

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jsampsonPC said:
stevo_ said:
*snip*
I don't recall ever experiencing this issue with anything but IE.

@ ScottWFB, no, I've found no solution. I haven't really noticed it lately though in IE7 - but that doesn't mean it won't creep up on me sometime in the future.

Firefox and IE do this with lists.. ie puts spaces in everything.. but firefox tends to put spaces above the list items.. you tend to only notice it when using lists to do horizontal menus.. floating always fixes the problem anyway.

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But hm... unless you need to use IE6, perhaps it is time to ditch the TABLE. The road was very hard for me, but I am very happy that I did ditch the TABLE now, no more mess! =)

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turrican said:

Yepp..

But hm... unless you need to use IE6, perhaps it is time to ditch the TABLE. The road was very hard for me, but I am very happy that I did ditch the TABLE now, no more mess! =)

Turrican,

I don't do table-based layouts if that is what you're suggesting. I'm strictly div-based with a strict doctype exclusive. The table in this thread (now 2 years ago) was for representing tabular data.

Jonathan

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This caused table layouts, like rounded corners, to fail in Netscape.

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stevo_ said:
ScottWFB said:
*snip*

display: block usually works.. but if not, use floating.. its not just an IE thing either..

There's another method that works well for images - img { vertical-align: top; }

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