The first one could well be loderunner, one of the first high res windows games. If you're talking about DOS though, it could be monster bash or one of the commander keen series, or perhaps cosmo's cosmic adventure, if you want to get back to EGA days. The second one is most likely Jill of the Jungle by Epic Megagames, I can't count the hours I spent on that. I think I could still whip up a config.sys for every possible EMS or XMS memory configuration required Smiley