PS3 delay upsetting some people

Some cool artwork made specifically for Sony, scroll down on that link to see it all.

Anyone else get the feeling Sony might be circling the drain?

And don't say it can't happen; that's what everyone said about Pan Am. Enough bad decisions and mis-management can destroy ANY company.

jb43081 wrote:

Anyone else get the feeling Sony might be circling the drain?

And don't say it can't happen; that's what everyone said about Pan Am. Enough bad decisions and mis-management can destroy ANY company.

I would expect many people are thinking the same thing. How is Nintendo and Sega doing these days?

And Wii shall inherit the Xmas sales!

Basically Sony really said...

"You know we wanted to force blu-ray on you and make you pay for it when all you wanted was a games console. Well we are having problems with the drive you don't want so you can't have it yet! Yes we screwed even more!"

Another_Darren wrote:

And Wii shall inherit the Xmas sales! Basically Sony really said..."You know we wanted to force blu-ray on you and make you pay for it when all you wanted was a games console. Well we are having problems with the drive you don't want so you can't have it yet! Yes we screwed even more!"

True.I've been reffering to the PS3 on my blog as "... the gaming console no one can afford that  supports a standard no one gives a fat rats (I need to watch my language) about."I don't want to get into a "Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD" tirade, especially since they both have their issues, but I think that Sony is looking at another Betamax here.

jonorossi wrote:

 jb43081 wrote: Anyone else get the feeling Sony might be circling the drain?And don't say it can't happen; that's what everyone said about Pan Am. Enough bad decisions and mis-management can destroy ANY company.I would expect many people are thinking the same thing. How is Nintendo and Sega doing these days?

If it was ONLY their gaming console that would be one thing. Sony seems to have been standing in the middle of a (I need to watch my language) storm lately;Sales of their big-ticket consumer electronics are downDRM-Rootkit-gate"Your laptop battery es-plode"Sinking untold fortunes into Blu-Ray and the PS3... might be a tough Christmas for them...

While the online reputation of PS3 is (I need to watch my language) I believe they will do quite fine with the general public.

All SONY resources have been re-allocated to helping with the recent battery recalls.
Fall 2007

jb43081 wrote:

True.I've been reffering to the PS3 on my blog as "... the gaming console no one can afford that  supports a standard no one gives a fat rats (I need to watch my language) about."I don't want to get into a "Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD" tirade, especially since they both have their issues, but I think that Sony is looking at another Betamax here.

How can you make this judgement when you've never seen a game like Killzone on a HDTV at 1080i in Dolby Suround 5.1 being played in front of you. Judge it when you see it.

It's easy to judge the Wii, because we've seen the Wii quality of graphics for the mast 5+ years on the PS2, XBox and PC.

I see the Wii as a dinky little thing I'd toss in the kids playroom hooked up to the little TV. I see the PS3 as something I'll have right beside my home theater system hooked up to my big DLP TV.

How many people have that type and size of screen?  I know for sure I don't, not in the family budget.  So no matter how cool it looks at 1080i and how sweet it sounds w/ Dolby Digitial 7.1 sound, I'm not going to buy it as its not in the budget.

Harlequin wrote:


How can you make this judgement when you've never seen a game like Killzone on a HDTV at 1080i in Dolby Suround 5.1 being played in front of you. Judge it when you see it.

How long can games companies get away with releasing yet another game where you just run around in circles shooting people/aliens/monsters with various weapons and only differentiating by the quality of the graphics.

If graphics quality were the only factor in playing games why is there such a big retro scene? One word - gameplay.  I'd much rather buy a game where I could come back to it time and time again and still find interesting things in there, than play a game once for 5 hours and then  never touch it again.

Kids - don't know what they're missing

If you can't afford it, then you're not in it's target audience. It doesn't mean it's going to "suck" because of that.

I can't afford a nice Maserati Coupe or a new Ferrari, but it doesn't mean their crappy cars.

Harlequin wrote:



How can you make this judgement when you've never seen a game like Killzone on a HDTV at 1080i in Dolby Suround 5.1 being played in front of you. Judge it when you see it.

It's easy to judge the Wii, because we've seen the Wii quality of graphics for the mast 5+ years on the PS2, XBox and PC.

I see the Wii as a dinky little thing I'd toss in the kids playroom hooked up to the little TV. I see the PS3 as something I'll have right beside my home theater system hooked up to my big DLP TV.

The better technology doesn’t always win. The BetaMax was a far superior technology than VHS but Sony shot themselves in the foot (price and license) and lost the race.

 

Hitching the success of Blue ray with PS3 will probably kill at least one of them.

 

The Wii will be the winner of the next round of consoles due to keeping it cheap and keeping it simple.

Rossj wrote:

How long can games companies get away with releasing yet another game where you just run around in circles shooting people/aliens/monsters with various weapons and only differentiating by the quality of the graphics.

Very true. People forget that our eyes/minds adapt very quickly and we can be absorbed by both DS-level games as well as PS3 HD games.

It's all about gameplay/interactivity -- and this is where Sony is in tons of trouble. They have no Xbox Live Arcade ecosystem. Each developer is expected to come up w/ their own. PS3 games are expen$ive to make (gotta fill out that realism factor) and expen$ive to buy. Will developers continue to develop exclusive titles?

They're having trouble making PS3's (from 2 mils at launch to 500,000 -- from 4 mils by end-of-year to 2 mils).

They're having trouble keeping deadlines -- from Nov (sweet holiday buying season) to March (that's gotta hurt)

It's just not a good time to be Sony right now.

Minh wrote:


They're having trouble keeping deadlines -- from Nov (sweet holiday buying season) to March (that's gotta hurt)

It's just not a good time to be Sony right now.

From what I've read, their running out of blue led's from suppliers. This affects both the PS3 and the external XBox HD-DVD drive.

Harlequin wrote:

From what I've read, their running out of blue led's from suppliers. This affects both the PS3 and the external XBox HD-DVD drive.

Yah, that's what I heard, too. They're also not getting very good yields from the Cell processors. They taught us in software school to reduce dependencies, I guess it's also true in the hardware world.

Harlequin wrote:


How can you make this judgement when you've never seen a game like Killzone on a HDTV at 1080i in Dolby Suround 5.1 being played in front of you. Judge it when you see it.

How can you? Sony have yet to demo a game on the production version of the PS3.  They recently added a GPU to the system as they were have problems with video on the cell.  Nobody has actuall reviewed a PS3 production game on a production PS3.

The laughable part is they recently demo'd the .... wait for it ..... PS3!  They finally knocked up a production case for reviewers to see, yet they wouldn't let anyone touch it and they wouldn't connect it up and turn it on.  They only backs the rumours that the PS3 production has still not started yet the will ship 500,000 on launch date?  I definately wouldn't one of them, just imagine how many times you'd have to send it back to be fixed.

Harlequin wrote:


It's easy to judge the Wii, because we've seen the Wii quality of graphics for the mast 5+ years on the PS2, XBox and PC.

mast, last... whatever.  Well the official specs show the GPU is 3-4x better than the GameCube and I was happy with the GameCube.  The Wii is about playing games in new wayw with new and fun games to play, whilst you can play the 32 variants of the original first person shooter for the PS3.  Also the Sony RRP for the games are a ripoff too.

Also a lot of the game development houses are complaining how hard it is to develop the PS3 games due to the cell, so I wonder how many new titles will be available at the launch of the PS3 to the Wii.

Harlequin wrote:

If you can't afford it, then you're not in it's target audience. It doesn't mean it's going to "suck" because of that.

I can't afford a nice Maserati Coupe or a new Ferrari, but it doesn't mean their crappy cars.

So if I want a games console I don't want a PS3?  Since the 'hard core gamer' market is smaller than the console market then fine, Sonycan have it.  But when a developer develops a new game they will chose the biggest market Xbox360 and Wii, whilst the PS3 will get rehash of old PS2 games.

The problem with the PS3 is the extra cost of having blu-ray when not required.  The PS3 can do 1080i graphics without the drive, take the drive away and it'd be half the price, ship on time and probably sell better.  Gamers are being used by Sony to win the format wars.