||hordak3000 wrote: I don't want no windows stripped off mediaplayer and everything else and I don't think that something like this would be useful to any customer.
You claim you don't think, perhaps you don't know
. I can think of at least a few corporate environments that could do without WMP if it meant they saved on licensing costs.
I don't care paying money for good software. I don't see why everyone thinks everything has to be very cheap just because it's software.
And especially corparate environments pay so much money for "the good support" to companies like redhat, sun or ibm that saving a few bucks for a windows without media player would not make much of a difference.
I would rather say the media player so far was a free addon.
But I wouldn't go to a car vendor as well and get them put the steering wheel and seats out to get the car cheaper. Or maybe requesting an open source car free of charge.
||hordak3000 wrote: I can't see why it Microsoft's fault that their competitors completely suck in any possible way.
Logical fallacy, this is no bearing on the court judgement or the results.
And you're saying Quicktime/iTunes/iPod "sucks in [every] possible way" compared to WMA/WMP/Zune?
I'm just saying let the customers decide which software they wanna use. It sucks if you have to start downloading all that crap because you don't have anything out of the box with your operating system. I don't think that's in the interest of the customer.
I, personally don't like Quicktime (it can't even do movies fullscreen unless you buy the pro version) and itunes as well gives me the creeps.
I don't like the ipod as well because I hate being bound to to itunes for using it.
But that goes for Zune as well, I guess.
Although the ipod is a good example that the customer can decide very well what he likes without being patronised by the eu.
||hordak3000 wrote: I can install some (I need to watch my language) software like the realplayer even with windows media player installed.
Believe it or not, but there are more media-players in the world besides Real and WMP, what about:
- MediaPlayer Classic
- DivX Player
- iTunes Videos
- ...and those are just ones I can count off the top of my head.
Of course there are. But does Microsoft keep me from installing those if I think Windows Media Player is not enough for me? I think not. So what good are the eu decisions here?
||hordak3000 wrote: With all the new features in vista the eu polticians will go crazy. I can already image they go "too many features, what about the competitors, why is this not such a prehistoric software like our linux system, microsoft
has to sell a command line only version or we will sue them for big money, etc.
New consumer "product" features in Vista? Whatever.
But I recognise having a media player in an OS distro is essential nowadays, and that the EU were being a bit boneheaded on this descision, they're not going to fine Microsoft for Aero since it puts SphereXP out of business.
And you're wrong about Linux, check out the latest Ubuntu and Fedora releases, they've got more features (and a 3D windowing system to boot) than Vista, not to mention bundled programs. Tell me how PBrush compares to GIMP. They're far from "prehistoric".
I use Ubuntu myself from time to time and redhat linux at work besides Windows. Gnome and KDE are nice but they are far behind Vista. Not only do they show a lack in concept, their performance is also far from satisfying.
As for the software that comes with Ubuntu, it is right, they have a lot useful of useful tools bundled there. And PBrush. Well, maybe that's something Microsoft has forgotten. But at least no one will sue them for having an image editing software bundled with
their operating system.
And FYI, Microsoft is releasing a command-line version of Windows.
Check it out
(search for "Core")
Ok, I know. But that's a server product. I was thinking more of the windows for the masses.
||hordak3000 wrote: "Will that help me as a customer? No and absolutely not.
True, it doesn't help the consumer, but it's the principle
It's the principle, but I think the european politicians should draw their attention to more urgent matters than trying to prove a point no one benefits from.
||hordak3000 wrote: And as I also work as a software developer I can say the following: Microsoft does more for the developers to build good software applications than any other company in the world.
I'm sure the Apple guys would disagree with you on that one.
Apple really does a good job there. But having to port their software for the intel platform, if the apple developers would really say that apple is doing more than microsoft then they should have a look at what microsoft has to offer.
||hordak3000 wrote: So what will new eu restrictions help me as a software developer except from delaying vista and not being able to keep up to date? Nothing. Those people who are making the eu decisions against Microsoft don't even help
themselves. Their work ist completey useless and proves nothing but their own brain damage.
You're following an unproved hypthesis about the EU delaying the release of Vista, having been refuted by the EU Courts
. Microsoft was just taking an easy jab at them.
That may be true. But it's the least microsoft should do against those boneheaded fools.