DOM-viewer App?

Anybody know of a great DOM-viewer application? I thought about this today, and figured it would be great to have a graphical representation of any page opened in IE. I've found some DOM-viewers, but they require you to copy/paste all of your code...that doesn't work for several reasons, but the biggest I can think of is that much of the DOM can be generated late, and not early. So if I have javascript create 98% of my DOM, then I cannot use a copy/paste DOM-viewer...

anybody know of an application that works well, and also renders a pages javascript-based DOM?

Firefox has a good DOM viewer... unfortunately, it's not IE.

The IE developer toolbar has a good DOM viewer, you can even change CSS/Properties of elements at runtime through it.

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=71881


Its in beta, but I've been using it for over 6 months now with no problems. Not sure about its IE7 support as I don't run it yet.

PreachingLlama wrote:

The IE developer toolbar has a good DOM viewer, you can even change CSS/Properties of elements at runtime through it.

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=71881


Its in beta, but I've been using it for over 6 months now with no problems. Not sure about its IE7 support as I don't run it yet.

I have been using it in IE7 with no problems yet (2 weeks)

Nvu (pronounced N-view)

http://www.nvu.com/download.php

hope this helps [A]

Try DevToolBar. It has many goodies.

Rotem

PreachingLlama wrote:

The IE developer toolbar has a good DOM viewer, you can even change CSS/Properties of elements at runtime through it.

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=71881


Its in beta, but I've been using it for over 6 months now with no problems. Not sure about its IE7 support as I don't run it yet.

Ah! Heck ya....IE is hooked up I just downloaded this, and it's exactly what I wanted...the FF DOM Viewer wasn't cutting it for me.

jsampsonPC wrote:



PreachingLlama wrote:The IE developer toolbar has a good DOM viewer, you can even change CSS/Properties of elements at runtime through it. http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=71881 Its in beta, but I've been using it for over 6 months now with no problems. Not sure about its IE7 support as I don't run it yet.

Ah! Heck ya....IE is hooked up I just downloaded this, and it's exactly what I wanted...the FF DOM Viewer wasn't cutting it for me.

What does it lack that you want?

Firebug contains a very useful inspector as well. I have yet to find anything as good as this for IE. I also think the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox is better than the IE developer toolbar. Why are addons for Firefox so much better than those for IE (plus the vast majority are free as well)?

sbc wrote:



 

What does it lack that you want?

Firebug contains a very useful inspector as well. I have yet to find anything as good as this for IE. I also think the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox is better than the IE developer toolbar. Why are addons for Firefox so much better than those for IE (plus the vast majority are free as well)?

Let us know what you'd like to see in the IE developer toolbar. We are continuing to work on it and have what we think are some useful features planned.

Thanks
-Dave

Massy,

One thing I would like to see in the DOMviewer part of the IE Toolbar is a graphical representation similar to the Class Diagram in VS2005. If I could see my DOM at any moment in the same way I view my class diagrams, that would be awesome Oh, and it would be nice if it were vector, too...so we can zoom in and out for large DOMs with many nested elements.

sbc wrote:


What does it lack that you want?

Firebug contains a very useful inspector as well. I have yet to find anything as good as this for IE. I also think the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox is better than the IE developer toolbar. Why are addons for Firefox so much better than those for IE (plus the vast majority are free as well)?

Well, for one thing, FF wouldn't even display my DOM...why? I don't know. I have my doctype in, I have proper HTML structure, etc. I'm viewing locally, so maybe that is why - but I doubt it.

IE on the other hand viewed it perfectly, and it creates a tree-view of nested elements, which when selected highlight themselves on the page. Not only that, but I can perform latebinding-fashioned modifications to the styles on every element. That in itself is cool.

I prefer to the FF toolbar to the IE one right now, but with regards to the DOM area, IE is by far better IMHO.

Thirdly, FF and its ADD-ONS ARE NOT FREE! Think I'm wrong? You should read Joel Spolsky's article, "Strategy Letter V".

jsampsonPC wrote:



sbc wrote: What does it lack that you want? Firebug contains a very useful inspector as well. I have yet to find anything as good as this for IE. I also think the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox is better than the IE developer toolbar. Why are addons for Firefox so much better than those for IE (plus the vast majority are free as well)?

Well, for one thing, FF wouldn't even display my DOM...why? I don't know. I have my doctype in, I have proper HTML structure, etc. I'm viewing locally, so maybe that is why - but I doubt it.

IE on the other hand viewed it perfectly, and it creates a tree-view of nested elements, which when selected highlight themselves on the page. Not only that, but I can perform latebinding-fashioned modifications to the styles on every element. That in itself is cool.

I prefer to the FF toolbar to the IE one right now, but with regards to the DOM area, IE is by far better IMHO.

Thirdly, FF and its ADD-ONS ARE NOT FREE! Think I'm wrong? You should read Joel Spolsky's article, "Strategy Letter V".

IE is pretty good when it comes to the DOM inspection aspect.

RE: Firefox add-ons
Many people have not spent anything (or donated) in getting these tools, so for them, it is free. Not everyone is motivated by money - but by giving away free products they show technical prowess and make themselves promising prospects for future employment. Some may even have a full time job and do it in their free time with no ulterior motives.

DMassy wrote:

Let us know what you'd like to see in the IE developer toolbar. We are continuing to work on it and have what we think are some useful features planned.

Thanks
-Dave

Added a few suggestions to the Wiki. Hopefully the next version of the toolbar will be much better.

sbc wrote:

IE is pretty good when it comes to the DOM inspection aspect.

RE: Firefox add-ons
Many people have not spent anything (or donated) in getting these tools, so for them, it is free. Not everyone is motivated by money - but by giving away free products they show technical prowess and make themselves promising prospects for future employment. Some may even have a full time job and do it in their free time with no ulterior motives.

SBC, you didn't read the article. It doesn't matter if you don't spend any money on the applications...that's - dare I say - irrelevant Read the article, and you will see that even if you spend $0 on the app, and $0 to make it...it still is NOT FREE

jsampsonPC wrote:



sbc wrote:IE is pretty good when it comes to the DOM inspection aspect. RE: Firefox add-ons Many people have not spent anything (or donated) in getting these tools, so for them, it is free. Not everyone is motivated by money - but by giving away free products they show technical prowess and make themselves promising prospects for future employment. Some may even have a full time job and do it in their free time with no ulterior motives.

SBC, you didn't read the article. It doesn't matter if you don't spend any money on the applications...that's - dare I say - irrelevant Read the article, and you will see that even if you spend $0 on the app, and $0 to make it...it still is NOT FREE

That is how most people equate free though - i.e. they think "if I didn't spend any money on an application it is free".

SBC, just read the aritcle and you'll see my point. Why it's wrong to call FF or it's addons "Free". It will open you eyes, and you'll feel a new conviction about calling it free And you'll also see WHY they are "free". It's not to give people a bunch of software that they can use so the world is a better place...it's to make more money - blow your mind that giving things away for "free" makes you more money? Read the article.

jsampsonPC wrote:

SBC, just read the aritcle and you'll see my point. Why it's wrong to call FF or it's addons "Free". It will open you eyes, and you'll feel a new conviction about calling it free And you'll also see WHY they are "free". It's not to give people a bunch of software that they can use so the world is a better place...it's to make more money - blow your mind that giving things away for "free" makes you more money? Read the article.

Firefox and addons are complements (which I guess is what you are getting at). However, most of those who download these are not giving the developers behind them any money. It is the bigger customers that deploy the apps that end up paying for fixes, consultations etc.

I guess you don't think there is anyone who writes software and gives it away 'to make the world a better place' exists then? It is a pity that you think everyone is out to make money.