Apple Announces Apple TV, iPhone, Name Change

The article and Apple's 'magical' iPhone unveiled

After having a first look on iPhone, LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT. Previously I was planning to by Sony Ericsson W950i. So now I have to redefine my own thoughts.

Wow, Phone, Wow. [A]

Don't jump befor you look.  It is not as great as steve made it out to be.  It is not even close to compare it to the current smart phones.  It is very far behind.  The design is nice, but that is about it.

Raghavendra_Mudugal wrote:

The article and Apple's 'magical' iPhone unveiled

After having a first look on iPhone, LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT. Previously I was planning to by Sony Ericsson W950i. So now I have to redefine my own thoughts.

Wow, Phone, Wow.

Yeah, the device isn't really much more than the sexiest beast of a cell the world has seen.

Seriously, it looks amazing and I can't wait for gen 2 with 3g. Hopefully they'll sell it unlocked for real money and not locked for 599€. I'd gladly pay 599 for it but then it better be without a carrier.

joem83 wrote:

Don't jump befor you look.  It is not as great as steve made it out to be.  It is not even close to compare it to the current smart phones.  It is very far behind.  The design is nice, but that is about it.

I don't know how can you tell that it's behind.

It's extremely small, it had 3d animations so probably it has a nvidia/ati 3d chip inside, it will probably have a much longer battery life than current windows mobile phones (jobs didn't announce the standby time but it should be an average 200-300 hours) and probably it will get plenty of ports of of linux/BSD applications by enthusiasts.

As you may know the only other competitor in that market, nokia, has decided to lock down the phones from symbian v9.0. Now only certified applications can run on it and this choice is pratically decimating the number of applications available for their phones. I really think that their decision is going to cost them a lot, during their battle against apple.

I read that the Apple iPhone will be running Mac OS X, is this correct?

It seems more of a smart phone to just a phone really, I like the design, and there seem to be some pretty slick features.

Angus Higgins

Angus wrote:

I read that the Apple iPhone will be running Mac OS X, is this correct?

It seems more of a smart phone to just a phone really, I like the design, and there seem to be some pretty slick features.

Angus Higgins

Probably the same way my phone runs Windows! Mobile 2003

And I'm hearing now that this thing won't support third party apps (unless you're making a deal with Apple like Google or Yahoo).

It's interesting that it runs OS X. I don't know of any popular x86 or PPC processors for cell phones, most use XScale, ARM, SH4, MIPS, etc. If it does indeed run "real" OS X, though, I'm guessing it's x86 to unify the company behind one architecture. Maybe some sort of Transmeta Crusoe? On the outside chance it's PowerPC I would guess that Freescale would be a likely supplier.

DCMonkey wrote:

Probably the same way my phone runs Windows! Mobile 2003

Windows Mobile and Windows XP have very little in common except for the name. I would think the Windows equivalent of Jobs' claim would be a phone running XP Embedded since it is (apparently) binary compatible with XP Home/Pro.

Angus wrote:

I read that the Apple iPhone will be running Mac OS X, is this correct?

Check this Spec. It tells more about iPhone.

TimP wrote:

DCMonkey wrote:Probably the same way my phone runs Windows! Mobile 2003

Windows Mobile and Windows XP have very little in common except for the name. I would think the Windows equivalent of Jobs' claim would be a phone running XP Embedded since it is (apparently) binary compatible with XP Home/Pro.

Somewhere I read that the next major version of the Windows Mobile platform ("Photon", H1 2008) is going to be rebuilt on top of the Windows CE codebase.

OS X is built on Darwin, with the Mach micro kernel...all of the drivers are modular, so a very small version of the OS should be possible.  Of course, since it's prolly going to be a closed ecosystem, lots of the apis and sdks that are included with the desktop version of the OS won't be included.  So, unless they're using "OS X" as some kind of abstract trademarky thing, I'd expect Apple is actually using the same codebase for the iPhone as they use for PPC and x86/x64.  Just not nearly as much of it .

The only hardware advantage over a Sony Ericsson P990 is the screen resolution, everything else is on par at most. The iPhone doesn't have autofocus, it doesn't have UMTS, etc.
The P990 has animations too (supports 3d too), also unsigned 3rd party applications do work on symbian v9/UIQ 3 if you want to.
Design of the iPhone is sweet, but i don't think that blind typing is really working without keys...

Avi Greengart wrote:

"If Apple builds a phone that is easy and genuinely pleasurable to use, the company will have a winner no matter how it is priced or sold."

Cingular to provide service for Apple cellphone

And my catch is, any how in look wise and touch screen UI, it is eye catching, like this ->

16 hours of playback with 4gb or 8gb of flash memory, and LOOKS, ah ha, i am there.

DCMonkey wrote:

And I'm hearing now that this thing won't support third party apps (unless you're making a deal with Apple like Google or Yahoo).

What fun is it if you can't write anything for it?

cescotto wrote:

It's extremely small, it had 3d animations so probably it has a nvidia/ati 3d chip inside, it will probably have a much longer battery life than current windows mobile phones (jobs didn't announce the standby time but it should be an average 200-300 hours) and probably it will get plenty of ports of of linux/BSD applications by enthusiasts.

From the iPhone page on Apple's website:
Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
So basically if the radio is active it has about 5 hours of life.  On my Cingular 8525 I get about 36 hours if I have the radio active (live data connection).  I get about 4 days of standby time.  And it has 3G.  I'm surprised at Apple to release 'new' hardware that is already behind the curve (no 3G and what appears to be poor battery life).

I love reading through their website..  they are 'redefining what you can do with a mobile phone'..  yet my phone does just about everything theirs does as did my previous phone.  The only 'innovative' thing they have is the multi-touch display.  Otherwise I've had all that technology for the last year or so.

sodapop wrote:

From the iPhone page on Apple's website:
Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
So basically if the radio is active it has about 5 hours of life.  On my Cingular 8525 I get about 36 hours if I have the radio active (live data connection).  I get about 4 days of standby time.  And it has 3G.  I'm surprised at Apple to release 'new' hardware that is already behind the curve (no 3G and what appears to be poor battery life).

iPhone:

• Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing

Cingular 8525:

• 5 hours (300 mins) of Talk time

So battery life is really the same.

As for audio they say

• Up to 16 hours Audio playback

For the iPhone and that's playing better quality audio than internet radio station so I suppose if you loaded lower rate audio files it could last longer.  In the end the real kicker is that both phones probably last 5 hours doing talk, internet or video.

Setting a radio station and leaving the screen on standby is not browsing.

GRiNSER wrote:

The only hardware advantage over a Sony Ericsson P990 is the screen resolution, everything else is on par at most. The iPhone doesn't have autofocus, it doesn't have UMTS, etc.
The P990 has animations too (supports 3d too), also unsigned 3rd party applications do work on symbian v9/UIQ 3 if you want to.
Design of the iPhone is sweet, but i don't think that blind typing is really working without keys...

Where did you see the iPhone does not support autofocus?  Not seen that on the specs page.

So the P990 has a web browser that can handle the Acid2, supports RSS, auto rotates when you tilt you phone on it's side.  Allows you to browse you music by categories or cover art. Has visual voicemail, can merge a call in two touchs of the screen.  Interact with google maps so you can locate a business for example then click to call. Has a photo manager than can do slideshows with effects, allows you pinch/stretch a photo just using your fingers.  Will sync with PC, Mac and Internet services seamlessly. And can all be done without a stylus.  If it's that new and innovative why no big launch, why didn't all the other mobile manufacturers share prices drop when it was announced?  If it's that crap the why did the stock market react so suddenly to the announcement?

I have a 3G phone now and the network support and coverage is laughable.  Maybe in a few years time it will be as good as existing networks but by then Apple will probably release a phone to support it.

It is not extremely small.  there are 3 other devices smaller and/or thiner then the iPhone.  The battery is not replaceable and lasts 5 hours. Current WMphones battery life has been easy 8-12 hours. (This is from my customer's phone)  They system is closed and is not not being opened to developers.  My customers have been able to get smart phones for$ 100 - $200 with a service plan.  Apple has told cingular they they can't attach a plan to the device.
http://scobleizer.com/2007/01/10/the-iphone-reality-distortion-field/
http://paul.kedrosky.com/archives/2007/01/10/the_five_bigges.html
http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html

Most of the techies are not impressed with this device at all.  They only thin from apple that has any real effect is their name change.

cescotto wrote:



I don't know how can you tell that it's behind.

It's extremely small, it had 3d animations so probably it has a nvidia/ati 3d chip inside, it will probably have a much longer battery life than current windows mobile phones (jobs didn't announce the standby time but it should be an average 200-300 hours) and probably it will get plenty of ports of of linux/BSD applications by enthusiasts.

As you may know the only other competitor in that market, nokia, has decided to lock down the phones from symbian v9.0. Now only certified applications can run on it and this choice is pratically decimating the number of applications available for their phones. I really think that their decision is going to cost them a lot, during their battle against apple.