Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Thu, 23 May 2013 20:52:41 GMT Thu, 23 May 2013 20:52:41 GMT Rev9 16 -16 -1 Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' Flip 3d seems to have this weird behavior, if you minize a window and then switch to it using flip3d, it stays minimized.

Now that is just crazy design. after all the whole point of using flip3d is to 'switch' to the window you select, if you have to 'unminimize' it by clicking on the taskbar then whats the point of it.

Yes, i know this is not a bug, this is a feature but someone care to explain me why?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/252377#252377 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:48:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/252377#252377 geeky123 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/geeky123/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' No repro here, the windows don't stay minimized.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/93364883ab9a4430b70c9dec0059a9e7#93364883ab9a4430b70c9dec0059a9e7 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:16:19 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/93364883ab9a4430b70c9dec0059a9e7#93364883ab9a4430b70c9dec0059a9e7 Sven Groot 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Sven Groot/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' Same here, no repro. They pop up as they should.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/11a9bff69cd34af695d89dec0059aa0f#11a9bff69cd34af695d89dec0059aa0f Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:19:57 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/11a9bff69cd34af695d89dec0059aa0f#11a9bff69cd34af695d89dec0059aa0f ddewbofh 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ddewbofh/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' I can't do that either.
Will you describe in more detail? A video would be nice..

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/a4bf19d9b25a48a999da9dec0059aa5e#a4bf19d9b25a48a999da9dec0059aa5e Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:22:24 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/a4bf19d9b25a48a999da9dec0059aa5e#a4bf19d9b25a48a999da9dec0059aa5e alwaysmc2 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/alwaysmc2/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' I've seen this same effect as when you somethimes hover over minimised apps on the task bar as well, something to do with the app invalidating it's self but not redrawing as it's minimised or some such so the DWM has no buffer to draw, can't remember the exact reason.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/f8ca5242f3e049558ba29dec0059aa37#f8ca5242f3e049558ba29dec0059aa37 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:23:09 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/f8ca5242f3e049558ba29dec0059aa37#f8ca5242f3e049558ba29dec0059aa37 PerfectPhase 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/PerfectPhase/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' Well then maybe i have 'special' version, but i can guarantee the windows are not popping back up for me unless they are 'not minimized' , ie are the back of some other window.


Also, I dont know whether this too is happening with you or not, but with firefox 2.0 if i minize it and do flip 3d, half the time (not always, but half the time) I see that instead of the firefox window, just a little title bar with the maximize/minimze/buttons on it and no client area.
I dont know whether this is a firefox or flip3d bug or feature but this is happening.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/3f70915d00f04aa290d29dec0059aa88#3f70915d00f04aa290d29dec0059aa88 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:27:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/3f70915d00f04aa290d29dec0059aa88#3f70915d00f04aa290d29dec0059aa88 geeky123 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/geeky123/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature'
geeky123 wrote:
Also, I dont know whether this too is happening with you or not, but with firefox 2.0 if i minize it and do flip 3d, half the time (not always, but half the time) I see that instead of the firefox window, just a little title bar with the maximize/minimze/buttons on it and no client area.
I dont know whether this is a firefox or flip3d bug or feature but this is happening.

That has to do with the issue PerfectPhase mentioned. When an app is minimised, it doesn't redraw, so the DWM uses the last cached version of the app's window to show in the thumbnail and Flip3D. But if the window started minimized, or was minimized when the DWM was enabled, there is no cached version to show.

It still shouldn't leave them minimized though.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/59012e7756c84e24b95d9dec0059aab2#59012e7756c84e24b95d9dec0059aab2 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:31:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/59012e7756c84e24b95d9dec0059aab2#59012e7756c84e24b95d9dec0059aab2 Sven Groot 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Sven Groot/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' I'm not able to reproduce it... Tried it several times.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/5c74bf86b1ab4b2b9d929dec0059aadb#5c74bf86b1ab4b2b9d929dec0059aadb Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:55:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/5c74bf86b1ab4b2b9d929dec0059aadb#5c74bf86b1ab4b2b9d929dec0059aadb Christian Liensberger 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/littleguru/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' Hmm, I am sure I experienced the same problem with 'My Expose' software (works similarly like flip 3d) - I remember I was thinking that this is one thing they should improve... but well this thing disappeared, and I can't reproduce it no matter what I try.. Maybe DWM was repaired with some update...

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/0fb160df023041169f909dec0059ab03#0fb160df023041169f909dec0059ab03 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:01:09 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/0fb160df023041169f909dec0059ab03#0fb160df023041169f909dec0059ab03 RoyalSchrubber 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/RoyalSchrubber/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature' Here is the image showing the flip3d bug with firefox.
Notice that the firefox window appears like a small tab instead of a full preview.
Also when you actually select it, it doesnt get mazimized.

http://i1.tinypic.com/2ppix6q.jpg

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geeky123 wrote:
Here is the image showing the flip3d bug with firefox.
Notice that the firefox window appears like a small tab instead of a full preview.
Also when you actually select it, it doesnt get mazimized.

http://i1.tinypic.com/2ppix6q.jpg
Do you have any plugins running in Firefox? Try disabling all your plugins/addons and see if it still repros.

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Jason Cox wrote:

geeky123 wrote:Here is the image showing the flip3d bug with firefox.
Notice that the firefox window appears like a small tab instead of a full preview.
Also when you actually select it, it doesnt get mazimized.

http://i1.tinypic.com/2ppix6q.jpg
Do you have any plugins running in Firefox? Try disabling all your plugins/addons and see if it still repros.


I've noticed that Firefox can have some strange minimize behavior even in XP, so seeing something like that doesn't suprise me.  It's most likely Firefox's fault.

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I also don't like the way the desktop has been added to the cycle in both Flip3D and normal alt+tab, because the desktop isn't a window! If I want the desktop I just press start+d.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/0d56efb866d841dba90a9dec0059abf6#0d56efb866d841dba90a9dec0059abf6 Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:28:33 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/252377-Weird-Flip-3d-behavior-bug-or-feature/0d56efb866d841dba90a9dec0059abf6#0d56efb866d841dba90a9dec0059abf6 Alexei Pavlov 16 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/BlackTiger/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Weird Flip 3d behavior - bug or 'feature'
geeky123 wrote:
Here is the image showing the flip3d bug with firefox.
Notice that the firefox window appears like a small tab instead of a full preview.
Also when you actually select it, it doesnt get mazimized.

http://i1.tinypic.com/2ppix6q.jpg


It's not a Flip2D bug. This is caused usually by Outlook and any attempt to open link from application. Each click on link opening 2 firefox windows, one with "zero size". I have it each day.

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Rowan wrote:
The thing that prevents me from using Flip3D is that you have to press alt+tab > tab (tab twice) to start switching windows. Or is that just a bug?

I also don't like the way the desktop has been added to the cycle in both Flip3D and normal alt+tab, because the desktop isn't a window! If I want the desktop I just press start+d.
It's a feature. Myself, I've gotten used to that in Flip 3D. Invoking Flip 3D lets me see everything I have open so I dont have to click through the taskbar and if I want to switch apps or check the status of something I have open, then I can tab through it.

I prefer Start+M myself, it minimizes all windows but leaves Sidebar open.

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