Online Features Comparison
Protect against hardware failure
with
Windows Complete PC Backup and Restore
-- I have Norton Ghost --
Easier business networking connectivity
with
Networking Center and
Remote Desktop
-- uh, Networking Center is on Home Premium, so that's a false ad --
-- Remote Desktop; why is this compelling? --
Better protect your data
against loss with
Windows BitLocker Drive Encryption
-- I'm just not paranoid enough (yet) --
I see no compelling reason to choose Ultimate > Home Premium.
What gives?? What's not mentioned? Surely something more!
:O
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JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater
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Sampy
And I come back to you now - at the turn of the tide
Ultimate Extras (like DreamScene)
We (Microsoft) use Enterprise as our official desktop but most of us Nine team members use Ultimate since we need Movie Maker and all the other consumer media features.
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Bas
It finds lightbulbs.
Personally, I did it for Remote Desktop and Backup + Restore. I don't have Ghost, and I use RDP a lot at home. Also, I'm keen to see what sort of extra's come out.
But it's obviously a personal choice. There's no universal reason to pick Ultimate.
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JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater
Sampy wrote:
Ultimate Extras (like DreamScene)
We (Microsoft) use Enterprise as our official desktop but most of us Nine team members use Ultimate since we need Movie Maker and all the other consumer media features.
Sampy,
Home Premium has Movie Maker and "all other consumer media features" -- am I wrong?
Ultimate offers onlythreetwo extras? Two?
1) DreamScene
2) BitLocker (redundant == not an Extra, just Ultimate only)
3) Texas Hold'em Poker game
I don't get it! What's up? Are there oodles more to come?
Phreaks, I need a double on the rocks after that pwnage...
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Remote Desktop is my most used application, so its pretty essential. IIS is not limited on Ultimate, and I believe sub-system for UNIX is also only on ultimate ( i have yet to find any explanation about how this actually works ).
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if you ask me, ultimate is a waste of money in a biz environment. come to think of it, its a waste of money in the home also.
compared to the business edition, ultimate adds media center functionality, bitlocker, dvd/movie maker, and games. bitlocker is the only component that makes sense for the business user.
as for premium, ultimate adds business connectivity, "complete backup/restore", and bitlocker. why backup/restore isn't a standard feature is beyond me.
as for dreamscene, its a toy! and playing texas hold 'em by yourself is pathetic.
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By and large there is no reason. But there are a lot of people out there who live by the 'more = better' approach. If they are daft enough to pay over the odds for features they'll never need then I don't see anything wrong in taking their money.
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Ultimate is for when you need to join a domain AND use Media Center at the same time.
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A better approach might have been to make a single version and have all the additional functionality in add-on modules.
Start with plain old Vista (aka Basic). Then give the user the ability to add Media Center, Business Connectivity, Data Security, Data Protection, DVD Creation, Games, etc. Since Vista has a universal media and allows on-the-fly upgrades this seems like a no-brainer way to get the best product for the user. -
Sampy
And I come back to you now - at the turn of the tide
JohnAskew wrote:
Sampy wrote: Ultimate Extras (like DreamScene)
We (Microsoft) use Enterprise as our official desktop but most of us Nine team members use Ultimate since we need Movie Maker and all the other consumer media features.
Sampy,
Home Premium has Movie Maker and "all other consumer media features" -- am I wrong?
Right but we also need all the business features as well on the Nine team so we use Ultimate. My comparison in my second paragraph was Enterprise vs. Ultimate not Home Premium.
Ultimate is for people who want every feature of Windows. If that's not you, then don't buy it. There are more Ultimate Extras in the pipe and it will continue to grow so there are advantages to Ultimate but if they aren't worth the price to you, don't buy! -
JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater
Thanks, Sampy.
I just found the compelling reason to buy Ultimate > Home Premium.
You cannot upgrade from XP pro to Home Premium, only a clean install. You can do it with Ultimate, however.
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JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater
Windows Marketplace
Yes, you can burn a DVD of the downloaded files, but you will need to copy files locally on your machines before they running. You are also eligible to receive software fulfillment—a DVD or 5 CDs--from Microsoft (you pay only shipping and handling). You will be able to request your DVD or CD copy through out Windows Vista Fulfillment page beginning in March.
Can I burn a copy of the upgrade version of Windows Vista I have purchased?
Prolly going for Ultimate given the in-place install - upgrade.
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JohnAskew wrote:
Online Features Comparison
Protect against hardware failure
with Windows Complete PC Backup and Restore
-- I have Norton Ghost --
Easier business networking connectivity
with Networking Center and Remote Desktop
-- uh, Networking Center is on Home Premium, so that's a false ad --
-- Remote Desktop; why is this compelling? --
Better protect your data
against loss with Windows BitLocker Drive Encryption
-- I'm just not paranoid enough (yet) --
I see no compelling reason to choose Ultimate > Home Premium.
What gives?? What's not mentioned? Surely something more!
Ermm ... isn't this the point? If you don't feel you need to use Ultimate, don't use it. If Home Premium gives you all you need use it. I don't really see the point of this post. Its like when I install SQL Server at work . I don't need Enterprise so I use Standard. That's why there are different editions. Simple really. -
JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater
Read the two replies above your own and you'll see the reason for this post -- discovery.
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Here's what I don't understand...
I too use RD to control my home desktop pc (XP Pro) from work or even from the laptop in the other room. Am I to understand that Home Premium gives you outgoing RD (client) but no way to run the terminal service portion? I wouldn't want to have to go to Ultimate just for that, so would the other usual suspects for terminal services work on a Vista HP pc (e.g. LogMeIn, VNC, etc.)?
The yellow dot between XP Pro and Home Premium indicates "requires clean installation." How would this work if I buy an upgrade license for Home Premium? Would the Vista setup see that I have XP Pro and force a clean install, or would it not allow the upgrade at all? Instead of "requires clean installation," do they really mean "requires full (not upgrade) version of Vista?" I prefer clean installs, but I've read a lot about how the upgrade versions of Vista require the old OS already on the pc. This, combined with the yellow dot caption, confuses me.
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JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater
I've installed Home Premium recently and the 'upgrade' portion of the install is disabled completely. The price break is all you get with Home Premium upgrade due to an existing XP license.
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Thanks for your reply, John.
When you installed Vista HP on your XP Pro pc, did you HAVE to run the setup from within XP, or did you boot from the dvd? It sounds like the upgrade "option" is unavailable, and it will always wipe out the XP install at the start of the Vista install. That would be ok, I suppose, but I still don't like having to install XP first, just to have Vista wipe it out.
Gary
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