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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Which distribution do you like the most?&nbsp; I personally have 5 I play with, Xubuntu, Zenwalk, RHEL 5, SLED 10 and Oracle Enterprise Linux.&nbsp; I personally like Zenwalk and Xubuntu as my favorites of them all but which one in here is the favorite?&nbsp; for my
 traditional UNIX boxes I have BSD and Solaris 10.&nbsp; I also have an older AIX box but I dont use it much.<br></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I mostly install GNU/Linux to either mess around with or to code on and build Haiku.
<br>
<br>
For playing around I tend to stick with what get's me up and running the quickest which usually tends to be Ubuntu. I like the mix between the relative stability of Debian and the &quot;bleeding edge&quot; mentality of OpenSuSE.
<br>
<br>
For coding I stick with a minimal, console-based enviroment I've cobbled together on top of Arch. No huge fan of their packaging system but I like it's bare-bone style and ease of managment.
<br>
<br>
Edit: I also have&nbsp;three Unix systems gathering dust in a closet, one DEC Alpha PWS500AU running Tru64 and two SGI Indigo2 of which one is running IRIX 6.5 and the other one's for spare parts.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>When I test for portability I run Slackware since I actually have a clue what its doing especially with the init scripts.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Cut my teeth on Fedora Core 2 and 3 back in late 2004. I used Fedora exclusively until August 2005. Switched to Ubuntu Server on a whim in October 2005 because it was the newest distro at the time and the only one which supported NVIDIA SATA. I really
 liked the Debian style package management and the vast amount of packages so I installed it on my desktop machine, too. Around June 2006 I lost some of my enamoration with Ubuntu 6.06 due to hardware issues and went SUSE for the summer. With 6.10 I'm back
 to Ubuntu and looking forward to 7.04.<br>
<br>
On the UNIX side, I've used Solaris at school and AIX on an RS/6000&nbsp;I have.&nbsp;I've barely touched Tru64 and HP-UX. Of the four, AIX is probably my favorite. I like smitty a lot. Dabbled with the BSDs but haven't used any particular one long enough to have much
 of an opinion.<br>
<br>
On the fringe, not really Unix, but POSIX compatible, is OpenVMS. I've run that on emulated VAX as well as a real Alphastation and I think it's pretty cool, but I'm not nearly as comfortable with it as I am with Linux/Unix, although I'd like to get better with
 it.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I tried RedHat about 5 or 6 years ago and currently use OpenSUSE 10.0, which I'm a fan of. I've also worked with Ubuntu and while I like the apt-get functionality, I am under the impression that it tries to be too easy for new users and makes some features
 more complicated. I haven't worked with it enough to be sure of that, but that's just my impression, especially with scanners and the fact that it didn't have the ability to compile software from source until installing make and a compiler. As for Unix I don't
 usually work with it and only have tried HP-UX which I can't really say much about</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>My personal preference is Debian (for servers, but I haven't had a linux desktop since I left my job at a university), and it's what I use for my personal servers and the asterisk (voip pabx) at the office. For work we use RHEL, but that decision was made
 long before I joined.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>People here dont run Linux.&nbsp; They think of it as a toy.&nbsp; Serious Linux users dont come to Channel 9.&nbsp; No serious computer scientist uses Windows.<br></p>]]></description>
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<div>corona_coder wrote:</div>
<div><br>
Serious Linux users dont come to Channel 9<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
So that makes you... ?</p>]]></description>
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		<dc:creator>Rotem Kirshenbaum</dc:creator>
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<div>corona_coder wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;No serious computer scientist uses Windows.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
And your credentials and authority to make such a statment are....?</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This is my first post on Channel 9.&nbsp; I've been watching videos and reading the forums for a long time but the abhorrent, spiteful attitude of a certain &quot;corona_coder&quot; has forced me to make a post.<br>
<br>
Dear corona_coder,<br>
<br>
Personally I think your attitude stinks.&nbsp; Before you get on your &quot;I'm so much better than you because I use Linux&quot; soapbox can I just say that I run Linux too. Ubuntu 6.10 and Whitebox&nbsp;to be precise. I work for a small company in the UK and look after their
 IT infrastructure.&nbsp; We have 4 servers here each running Ubuntu and we have Linux on the majority of our desktops.&nbsp; Some users are running Windows 2000, we also have some Macintosh's in our design platform. We all communicate via Samba and NFS.<br>
<br>
On my desk I have 4 machines each with differing operating systems : Mac OS 10.4, WhiteBox Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu 6.10 Desktop, Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional (SP4). No one operating system is better than the other. All have their plus points, all have
 their minuses.<br>
<br>
When you say serious computer scientists don't use Windows does that include me?&nbsp; I would say that I'm a serious computer scientist - having a first class honours degree in Computer Science. Hell, I remember when doing my degree we focused an awful lot on Windows
 NT4.0 and the upcoming NT5.0 (Windows 2000). I had to read David Solomon's and Mark Russinovich's &quot;Inside Microsoft Windows 2000&quot; from cover to cover and memorise to pass one of my vital exams. So I'm not a computer scientist?<br>
<br>
I think you really do need to come down from your high horse mate. I love Linux just as much as you do but I really don't see the point of coming on a forum like this with the main intention of winding people up.&nbsp; First of all it's very childish and second
 it's not fair.&nbsp; We all feel very passionate about what we do. Yes, that includes the Microsoft guys too.
<br>
<br>
The majority of the world uses Windows and will do for an awful long time yet.&nbsp; Deal with it. If you want to get the message across that you think Linux is a much better platform than I think you can do it so much better and in a much more grown up manner.&nbsp;
<br>
<br>
I've been pushing Linux for years and seeing clowns like you come onto forums like this and behave the way you do makes me sick!<br>
<br>
You came on here not long ago and declared that you were making your last ever post on channel 9.&nbsp; For the sake of the Microsoft guys here and also the vast majority of decent Linux users, please do send us your last post.&nbsp;
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I like Ubuntu. It's no nonsense, easy to setup and maintain. I also like SuSE.<br>
<br>
I used to like Fedora, but the mess with upgrades has turned me off them. Plus apt-get &gt; yum anyday. <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt='Smiley' /></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I have an Ubuntu 6.06 LTS install on a secondary hard drive on this computer. I like it because it is really user-friendly (although there are still major differences between this and the Windows XP experience), and it is generally easy to operate.<br>
<br>
I have had problems with it, but that is probably due to the fact that in Linux one does tend to have to know a lot more about how things work than when using Windows XP. (One example is the &quot;xorg.conf&quot; file to set up multiple monitors; it took me a while to
 do it, when in Windows XP it takes about 30 seconds).<br>
<br>
Angus Higgins<br></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>SpongeBob, I'd like to welcome you and your kicking corona_coder's àss. I think you should post here more often; your attitude towards technology could have a positive influence on the discussions on C9.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Fedora Core 6<br>
Gentoo<br>
Debian<br>
<br>
It is hard to say which one is &quot;the best&quot;. They are all different and I like them all. My main computer has FC6 so I'm using it mostly.<br>
<br>
I have PC-BSD and OpenSolaris installed also.<br></p>]]></description>
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<div>SpongeBobSquarePants wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;This is my first post on Channel 9.&nbsp; I've been watching videos and reading the forums for a long time but the abhorrent, spiteful attitude of a certain &quot;corona_coder&quot; has forced me to make a post.<br>
<br>
Dear corona_coder,<br>
<br>
Personally I think your attitude stinks.&nbsp; Before you get on your &quot;I'm so much better than you because I use Linux&quot; soapbox can I just say that I run Linux too. Ubuntu 6.10 and Whitebox&nbsp;to be precise. I work for a small company in the UK and look after their
 IT infrastructure.&nbsp; We have 4 servers here each running Ubuntu and we have Linux on the majority of our desktops.&nbsp; Some users are running Windows 2000, we also have some Macintosh's in our design platform. We all communicate via Samba and NFS.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
And you come here why?&nbsp; Personally I think you are full of it but which ones perform the best.&nbsp; Im willing to bet your Linux boxes.<br>
<br>
<blockquote><div class="quoteText"><br>
On my desk I have 4 machines each with differing operating systems : Mac OS 10.4, WhiteBox Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu 6.10 Desktop, Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional (SP4). No one operating system is better than the other. All have their plus points, all have
 their minuses.<br>
</div></blockquote><br>
<br>
Oh great use that weak a$$ excuse when you try to counter someones argument.&nbsp; All have their pluses and minuses, well Windows has more minuses than pluses my friend.<br>
<br>
<blockquote><div class="quoteText"><br>
When you say serious computer scientists don't use Windows does that include me?&nbsp; I would say that I'm a serious computer scientist - having a first class honours degree in Computer Science. Hell, I remember when doing my degree we focused an awful lot on Windows
 NT4.0 and the upcoming NT5.0 (Windows 2000). I had to read David Solomon's and Mark Russinovich's &quot;Inside Microsoft Windows 2000&quot; from cover to cover and memorise to pass one of my vital exams. So I'm not a computer scientist?<br>
</div></blockquote><br>
<br>
Education is so highly over rated these days.<br>
<br>
<blockquote><div class="quoteText"><br>
I think you really do need to come down from your high horse mate. I love Linux just as much as you do but I really don't see the point of coming on a forum like this with the main intention of winding people up.&nbsp; First of all it's very childish and second
 it's not fair.&nbsp; We all feel very passionate about what we do. Yes, that includes the Microsoft guys too.
<br>
</div></blockquote><br>
<br>
I have found Linux admins to be far more passionate and far more knowledgeable than their Windows counterparts.<br>
<br>
<blockquote><div class="quoteText"><br>
The majority of the world uses Windows and will do for an awful long time yet.&nbsp; Deal with it. If you want to get the message across that you think Linux is a much better platform than I think you can do it so much better and in a much more grown up manner.&nbsp;
<br>
</div></blockquote><br>
<br>
Not if government agencies keep banning it.<br>
<br>
<blockquote><div class="quoteText"><br>
You came on here not long ago and declared that you were making your last ever post on channel 9.&nbsp; For the sake of the Microsoft guys here and also the vast majority of decent Linux users, please do send us your last post.&nbsp;
<br>
</div></blockquote><br>
<br>
Am I the only one thats hearing violins here?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>&#65279;Fedora Core 6<br>
Gentoo<br>
Debian<br>
<br>
It is hard to say which one is &quot;the best&quot;. They are all different and I like them all. My main computer has FC6 so I'm using it mostly.<br>
<br>
I have PC-BSD and OpenSolaris installed also.<br>
</div>
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<br>
Didnt the patron of this thread claim he uses PC-BSD and OpenSolaris<br>
<br>
Erisan=rjdohnert?<br></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>OpenSuse running on a Toshiba Laptop.&nbsp; I tried Ubuntu 6, but I couldn't get the wireless card to work under that.&nbsp; Before that, I tried Ubunto 5.something, Fedora and Slackware.</p>]]></description>
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<div>corona_coder wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;
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<td><strong>Erisan wrote:</strong> <i>&#65279;Fedora Core 6<br>
Gentoo<br>
Debian<br>
<br>
It is hard to say which one is &quot;the best&quot;. They are all different and I like them all. My main computer has FC6 so I'm using it mostly.<br>
<br>
I have PC-BSD and OpenSolaris installed also.<br>
</i></td>
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<br>
<br>
Didnt the patron of this thread claim he uses PC-BSD and OpenSolaris<br>
<br>
Erisan=rjdohnert?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
And didn't you say sometime ago that it was your &quot;last post&quot;?<br>
<br>
beer28=blatzcoder=thumbtacks=corona_coder?</p>]]></description>
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<div>corona_coder wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;People here dont run Linux.&nbsp; They think of it as a toy.&nbsp; Serious Linux users dont come to Channel 9.&nbsp; No serious computer scientist uses Windows.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
Interesting.&nbsp; I've been using Linux for nearly 10 years now.&nbsp; I do development on Linux boxes.&nbsp; I've a CS degree and am very serious about applying it.&nbsp; Yet my preferred platform is Windows.<br>
<br>
Now, do you want to stick to facts, or do you want to continue being political.&nbsp; Continue being political, and you'll find yourself banned.<br>
<br>
I really hate trolls with out a brain.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I've been using Gentoo for around 4 years as my main OS and really love it.&nbsp; I've also given Ubuntu a look and found it to be a very nice distrobution.&nbsp; I also use straight debian at times, usually when I just need to get a bare bones server installed
 quickly for development work.<br></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dude, first of all, if your so scary talented at computers, learn to use proper quote tags. Heck, my eight year old nephew can figure it out!<br>
<br>
Also:<br>
<br>
<blockquote>
<div>corona_coder wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;Oh great use that weak a$$ excuse when you try to counter someones argument.&nbsp; All have their pluses and minuses, well Windows has more minuses than pluses my friend.</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
First of all, I've yet to see you make a real argument. And no, &quot;Linux is better than Windows because I said so and EVERYBODY&nbsp;knows it!&quot; is not an argument. As far as I can tell it's the ranting of an immature moron who parots something he heard to make himself
 sound smarter than he is.<br>
<br>
<blockquote>
<div>corona_coder wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;I have found Linux admins to be far more passionate and far more knowledgeable than their Windows counterparts.</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
And I'm sure you are a completely objective, unbiased source of information on this. I'm a Windows developer. I'm EXTREMELY passionate about what I do, and I bet I've forgotten more about Windows development than you'll EVER&nbsp;know about Linux development.<br>
<br>
By the way, we have about a dozen Java developers at my company. A couple weeks ago&nbsp;one of them asked me to go the bookstore with him to help him find a book to learn .NET. Read into it what you will.<br>
<br>
<blockquote>
<div>corona_coder wrote:</div>
<div>Not if government agencies keep banning it.</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
All the &quot;government banning&quot; of Windows I've seen have been either driven by FUD or hatred of Microsoft and the idea of [gasp!] actually having to pay for software. I've yet to see what I consider to be a credible, technical reason for such a ban.
<br>
<br>
And to those goverments all I can say is good luck. It may work for them, and that's fine. But I don't respect any knee-jerk decision made out of fear or hatred.<br>
<br>
<blockquote>
<div>corona_coder wrote:</div>
<div>[quote]<br>
You came on here not long ago and declared that you were making your last ever post on channel 9.&nbsp; For the sake of the Microsoft guys here and also the vast majority of decent Linux users, please do send us your last post.&nbsp;
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am I the only one thats hearing violins here?</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
He's got a point; I seem to remember your fabled &quot;last post&quot; as well. Too bad it didn't stick, but it proves what I think most of us already knew; you are an attention seeking liar. Your arguments have no points, and no one should believe anything you say,
 not even &quot;Hello.&quot;</p>]]></description>
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<div>sirhomer wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;
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<table>
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<td><strong>wkempf wrote:</strong> <i>&#65279;
<blockquote>
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<td><strong>corona_coder wrote:</strong> <i>&#65279;People here dont run Linux.&nbsp; They think of it as a toy.&nbsp; Serious Linux users dont come to Channel 9.&nbsp; No serious computer scientist uses Windows.<br>
</i></td>
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<br>
Interesting.&nbsp; I've been using Linux for nearly 10 years now.&nbsp; I do development on Linux boxes.&nbsp; I've a CS degree and am very serious about applying it.&nbsp; Yet my preferred platform is Windows.</i></td>
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<br>
I find that a little scary.&nbsp;<img src="/emoticons/emotion-8.gif" border="0"> But whatever floats your boat.
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
What's scary about it?<br>
<br>
I appreciate the power and flexibility of a *nix system.&nbsp; But they simply are not user friendly.&nbsp; I could go on for days explaining why, but Linux zealots won't agree and won't argue intelligently about the point.&nbsp; So, for &quot;fun&quot;, I'll dig deep into a Linux
 box (I'm a total geek, so learning this stuff is fun for me), but when it comes to day to day usage I'd really rather be able to just get the job done.&nbsp; That counts *nix out, sorry.<br>
<br>
Back on the originally topic:<br>
<br>
I first used RedHat, way back when.&nbsp; Hated it.&nbsp; Completely.&nbsp; Then I switch to Mandrake for a while (that gives you an idea of the time frame), because it was a fairly easy system to get up and running.&nbsp; However, frustrations with package management drove me
 away.&nbsp; DLL hell has nothing on RPM hell.&nbsp; I then switched to Gentoo.&nbsp; If you want to learn the ins and outs of Linux, there aren't many distros that are better.&nbsp; Slackware would get your hands even dirtier, but portage was too nice of a package manager for
 me to not prefer Gentoo.&nbsp; However, I later found myself wanting to &quot;just get things done&quot;, which for me meant installing new packages, which despite the very flexible and nice interface of portage, was still too time consuming in Gentoo because all packages
 are source packages.&nbsp; (Yes, I know there are binary packages for Gentoo, but no one uses them, for a reason.)<br>
<br>
Last distro I used was SUSE.&nbsp; I liked most things about SUSE.&nbsp; It really did make many things easy to do.&nbsp; However, for me there were still two issues.&nbsp; First, a lot of the services I run didn't have management consoles in YAST (putting make in the drudgery
 of fighting config files) unless you were running the enterprise version, which I couldn't justify the cost of.&nbsp; Second, and a bit more important, I wound up back in package management hell.&nbsp; I wanted to run packages that weren't in the main distribution,
 but were available in the numerous public contrib repositories advertised by the SUSE web sites.&nbsp; Shouldn't have been a big deal, then, right?&nbsp; Wrong.&nbsp; I'd find that package A from one contrib site would conflict with package B from another, and eventually
 even the supported packages would have broken dependencies.&nbsp; All just from using Yast and advertised repositories.<br>
<br>
I plan to try Ubuntu at some point, but I've been too busy this past year.&nbsp; I'm also planning to give one of the BSDs a whirl.&nbsp; If nothing else, I'm hoping the user community there will be more intelligent.&nbsp; I can do with out the Beers of the world, and I've
 had to deal with a lot of them over the years while using Linux.&nbsp; And before said trolls attack me here... I belonged to a LUG for nearly 3 years, developed cross platform software using Linux, and probably know the system better than most of the trolls that
 would be here.&nbsp; So don't bother.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I did a vendor count a while back in Oct 2006.<br>
Ubuntu seems a favorite with Linux vendors.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/23168/">http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/23168/</a><br>
<br>
Vendor count<br>
<br>
Desktops:<br>
<br>
24 (18.05%) Ubuntu<br>
20 (15.04%) Suse<br>
19 (14.29%) Fedora<br>
18 (13.53%) Linspire<br>
11 (8.27%) Redhat<br>
8 (6.02%) Debian<br>
8 (6.02%) Xandros<br>
6 (4.51%) Mandriva<br>
5 (3.76%) Gentoo<br>
4 (3.01%) Centos<br>
4 (3.01%) Slackware<br>
2 (1.50%) mephis<br>
1 (0.75%) ELX<br>
1 (0.75%) Frontier<br>
1 (0.75%) Icepack<br>
1 (0.75%) PclinuxOS<br>
<br>
<br>
Laptops/Notebooks:<br>
<br>
13 (22.03%) Ubuntu<br>
10 (16.95%) Fedora<br>
10 (16.95%) Suse<br>
5 (8.47%) Debian<br>
5 (8.47%) Redhat<br>
4 (6.78%) Centos<br>
3 (5.08%) Linspire<br>
3 (5.08%) Mandriva<br>
2 (3.39%) Gentoo<br>
2 (3.39%) Slackware<br>
1 (1.69%) emperorlinux<br>
1 (1.69%) mandrake<br>
<br>
Distrowatch ranks Ubuntu at the top.<br>
See the rankings (scroll lower right).<br>
<br>
<a href="http://distrowatch.com/">http://distrowatch.com/</a><br>
<br>
I prefer Debian based versions i.e. Debian and Ubuntu.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></p>]]></description>
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<div>Sven Groot wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;I like Ubuntu. It's no nonsense, easy to setup and maintain. I also like SuSE.<br>
<br>
I used to like Fedora, but the mess with upgrades has turned me off them. Plus apt-get &gt; yum anyday.
<img src="/emoticons/emotion-1.gif" border="0"></div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
Yes but Fedora and RedHat are far more secure than most other distributions&nbsp;with SELinux, Exec-Shield, Compile Time Buffer Checks, ELF Data Hardening, Restricked Kernel Memory Access, Stack Smash Protection, Buffer Overflow Detection, and Variable Reordering.
 That is complemented with the usual&nbsp;non-Root by default, sudo/gksudo, file remove verification by default, and&nbsp;near&nbsp;perfect&nbsp;hole patching record.<br>
<br>
BTW, Apt-get runs on Fedora with no problems. The Smart package manager is better than both, however. <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt='Smiley' /></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Fedora and Dead Rat may be secure, which is excellent for corp needs, but for the home-user SELinux is a major pain in the a$$. Had some major issues with the fglrx driver and SELinux which eventually lead to me turning off SELinux just to get it to shut
 up. <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt='Smiley' /><br>
<br>
Not a very pleasurable user experience.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:49:05 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>ddewbofh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind words Tommy <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt='Big Smile' />&nbsp; Now that I've broken my duck I might make a few more posts.<br>
<br>
Personally I prefer Ubuntu right now.&nbsp; I've always had a soft spot for Debian based systems and Edgy is by far and away the best version of Linux I've used on the desktop, and the server too to mention it.<br>
<br>
I run Whitebox linux on one of my boxes at work.&nbsp; Mainly for testing purposes really - and for nostalgia as it's built on RHEL. I got into Linux on Redhat and did my RHCE (Red Hat Certified Engineer for all you trolls out there) back in the day of RH8. I still
 think 7.3 was the best OS the guys at Red Hat released. Ahh... back in the day <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-4.gif' alt='Tongue Out' /><br>
<br>
oh, and by the way Mr CC, My iBook performs the best out of all the machines on my desk. <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt='Big Smile' />&nbsp;<br>
<br>
<br></p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:57:47 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>SpongeBobSquarePants</dc:creator>
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<div>ddewbofh wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;Fedora and Dead Rat may be secure, which is excellent for corp needs, but for the home-user SELinux is a major pain in the a$$. Had some major issues with the fglrx driver and SELinux which eventually lead to me turning off SELinux just to get it to shut
 up. <img src="/emoticons/emotion-1.gif" border="0"><br>
<br>
Not a very pleasurable user experience. </div>
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<br>
<br>
There are new&nbsp;features in FC6 that make managing SELinux easier and&nbsp;more intuitive. I believe even more are coming come in FC7.<br>
<br>
Anyway, after I learned about all these security features I wont touch another distro that does not have them, except OpenSUSE, which at least has AppArmor.<br>
<br>
That said, I'm not using pure Fedora Core. I am making my own&nbsp; derivative that will attempt to address some the issues raised in recent threads: better dependency checking,&nbsp;fewer choices, less Windows-like,&nbsp;nicer installation&nbsp;of legal&nbsp;closed&nbsp;drivers* and&nbsp;&nbsp;more
 intuitive&nbsp;setup of NTFS-3g and&nbsp;NDISwrapper. All the nice system-config-* tools in Fedora will be included as well.<br>
<br>
I think I may do a better job than some after 15 years using Windows and no relgious&nbsp;zealotism in sight.<br>
<br>
However, I'm not sure I'll be releasing this to the masses because I do not wish to dedicate my life supporting an OS&nbsp;with thousands of users bugging me. <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-5.gif' alt='Wink' /><br>
<br>
Maybe I'll share with some niner's who use Linux and arn't crippled by a GPL mindset. &nbsp;<img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt='Smiley' /><br>
<br>
<br>
*Legal proprietary drivers are&nbsp;usually&nbsp;user-mode&nbsp;binary drivers that that&nbsp;link against the&nbsp;kernel via a GPL-compatable&nbsp;interface stub.<br>
<br>
Example: Fglrx, Nvidia, ...</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:00:43 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Xaero_Vincent</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>RHEL and Fedora Core straight up.<br></p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:50:19 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>pottymouth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><blockquote>
<div>jb43081 wrote:</div>
<div>&#65279;
<blockquote>
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<td><strong>corona_coder wrote:</strong> <i>&#65279;No serious computer scientist uses Windows.<br>
</i></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
And your credentials and authority to make such a statment are....?</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
I thought you joined the Air Force to meet woman?<br>
<br>
Couldn't pass the physical? <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-5.gif' alt='Wink' /><br>
<br>
<img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-11.gif' alt='Cool' /><br>
<br>
PS &nbsp;No serious Computer Scientist writes applications that are used by millions of people each day. <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt='Big Smile' /></p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:00:15 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>raymond</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;I uses Fedora Cores and Redhat at work and found that they are easily manageable.<br>
<br>
At home I'm so geeky and found LFS quite interesting... Everything is under control, and would change at your will, but required excessive amount of time to maintain. (Think of buying a car as individual parts and assemble the car yourself according to the
 blueprint in the package.) <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-4.gif' alt='Tongue Out' /><br>
<br>
Cyber_rigger: Why quote maps of others when this discussion focus on users of Channel 9?<br>
<strong></strong></p>]]></description>
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		<dc:creator>cheong</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I run Ubuntu Linux and have been since the Warty Warthog, I contribute to the Ubuntu documentation team nad I also helped write
<u>The Official Ubuntu book</u> however in my day to day job I run windows and consult on windows for a living.<br>
Why?&nbsp; Cause for corporations it is just better management wise then any *nix is.&nbsp; Two words: Group Policy, should sum it all up.<br></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm using OpenSUSE 10.2 on my laptop right now.&nbsp; I tried to use Ubuntu after Yast trashed my install during a kernel update, but it didn't agree with being installed to an external drive, so I went with the distro that I knew I could get working.<br>
<br>
I'm using Gnome with the built in Metacity WM right now, might try Beryl later if I feel like it.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This thread was started not to start a flamewar, nor to start a Windows vs Linux argument.&nbsp; I was just curious what Linux distro was the most popular here.&nbsp; I know the MS labs run several incarnations of Linux although I dont know of many more up there
 that run it outside Bill Hilfs group.&nbsp; Please, I said a NICE conversation.<br>
<br>
BTW, I know of several serious computer labs that run Windows.&nbsp; I had heard that the Ghost Rider movie and Star Wars Episode 3 were rendered on Windows x64 machines.&nbsp;
<br></p>]]></description>
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