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RobertScoble wrote:>But I believe something very similar to this "scheme" that's going on was tested out on Hotmail and a few other Microsoft/MSN-owned websites before being tried out on the general internet....and then dropping out completely.
Hmmm, the thing I saw today really doesn't have much to do with email/hotmail at all. So, that tells me we're seeing two separate things.
My mind races! Glad I'm going to Mix for sure now.
I said it was tried out on the hotmail site, not that it had anything else to do with email.
But this was almost 8 years ago, it wouldn't have been done by the same department and Microsoft had a different strategy. Nevermind.
RobertScoble wrote:>And, if you don't think Podtech has deep problems, you should try reading that one little piece you wrote in which you talked about how tough it is to squeeze money out of video.PodTech has millions of dollars in revenues and is just about a year old.RobertScoble wrote:Your attacks demonstrate that you hate meRobertScoble wrote:but not that you know anything about PodTech's business.RobertScoble wrote:Our profit or loss is between us and our VCs (two of the best in the business, USVP and VenRock).RobertScoble wrote:Not between you and me.RobertScoble wrote:We have about 30 corporate sponsors and have more work than we can shake a stick at.RobertScoble wrote:If you want to worry about failed business ventures go look at Xbox or Windows Mobile. How many billions have been spent by Microsoft at those two?RobertScoble wrote:And you're trying to make a case about our bandwidth bills?RobertScoble wrote:>As for "those problems" - what are they? Could you list them? Could you give us solutions?Yes. I have listed them many times in the past. Do you want to see the email discussions I had with Bill Gates and Steven Sinofsky? And the emails they sent back? Innovators' Dilemma. Read it.RobertScoble wrote:Yes, I know this is a popularity contest and people love it when someone attacking them gets attacked. So, you won a battle of words with me. Congratulations. I'll send you a prize.RobertScoble wrote:Make sure you mention that on your employee review, you'll get a raise!RobertScoble wrote:Actually, Justin.TV has taken long-form videos to a whole new art level and that dude is more popular than both of us put together. I predict he'll be on David Letterman within a week.RobertScoble wrote:OK, so you don't like "long form." Maybe you would like Loren Feldman. He thinks my videos are long and boring and horrible. Or maybe you're just angling for a job at PodTech (we hired Feldman AFTER he did that video bashing me).RobertScoble wrote:>What is PodTech's Five Year plan?To make great content. Period.RobertScoble wrote:You might not have heard, but we've already spun out another company, called National Banana, which is working with Jerry Zucker (director of the movie "Airplane") where we're going to expand into Hollywood entertainment. Details are on CBS Marketwatch's site.RobertScoble wrote:Yeah, Zucker does deals with failing companies, and losers.RobertScoble wrote:(including taking Microsoft's side in a debate in the New York Times against Dave Winer, and giving Microsoft a "demo of the year" award last year. Search Google for "demo of the year." What comes up first?)RobertScoble wrote:The reason my trashing hurts is cause I said so many nice things about Microsoft over the years.RobertScoble wrote:And, I, unlike many other tech pundits and expertsRobertScoble wrote:have a raft of Microsoft's latest stuff. Media Center, Xbox, Vista, Office 2007.RobertScoble wrote:> There are people on the other end of your attacks, you moron.I've never called someone a moron. And, it's a rare day in Redmond when I take out an ad homimem knife the way you do. Glad to know you take the same medicine you dish out. Not.RobertScoble wrote:>You aren't qualified.Did Jeff make you "God" of all things technical? Interesting. I hope you got a good bump in level and pay for that one!RobertScoble wrote:>I'll check back later to see if you've written to tell me about how many feeds you watch, or about how I don't think Microsoft is in trouble (or whatever other words you'd like to put in my mouth).I'm not putting any more words in your mouth. You seem to have plenty there yourself.RobertScoble wrote:You attacked me last week, by the way, for pointing the camera at my face during the Zune video I did.RobertScoble wrote:Yet you didn't go through and look at the 600 videos I did while at Microsoft.RobertScoble wrote:But then I happened across one of your videos from the MS TechFest. You pointed the camera at your face the entire time and, not only did you do that, but you talked to the camera and ignored your interviewee the whole time and didn't look at him.RobertScoble wrote:Damn, I don't want anyone to think that you're more arrogant or narcissistic than me (it's a tough job attacking multi-billion-dollar companies instead of a small year-old startup)RobertScoble wrote:but, you sure seem like you're trying to take the top of that mighty mountain away from me.RobertScoble wrote:Do you really want to be known as more arrogant or narcissistic than Scoble?RobertScoble wrote:Yeah, that'll get you brownie points in building 18. Not.RobertScoble wrote:Mr. Jay is correct, though. I didn't used to like you either but after getting attacked by you over the past week I've come to enjoy you and your skills.
RobertScoble wrote:>Podtech is the next Google, and I know no hubris
Absolutely! My hubris is bigger than your hubris!
Rory, stay away from my hubris.
Ahh, this is almost as much fun as Twitter!
Oh, and Rory, can you whip up some scrambled eggs for me since you know you're better than me at running the kitchen? Thanks!
"My hubris is bigger than your hubris."
Hey Rory is your turn!
I'm sitting here with a popcorn & coke and wait for round two
I was busy searching for "demo of the year" to see what comes up first.
RobertScoble wrote:My mind races!
In the Special Olympics!
(With that, I'm off to bed. My work here is finished for the night.)
Rory, shouldn't you have your own entry in Encyclopedia Dramatica by now?
This kind of reminds me of an ancient clip from 2DTV (I think it was 2DTV) with Ariel Sharon (last Israeli Prime Minister for those who don't know) in. He had a fire in the kitchen, and went around somthing like this:
"Oh no! Perhaps this oil will help put out the fire.!" <huge rush of flames>
"Perhaps this vodka!" <more flames>
"Maybe these fireworks!" <etc... >
Kinda reminds me of this argument for some reason.
>Kinda reminds me of this argument for some reason.
How about this methane gas?
I was going to suggest a boxing match to sort this out, but I'm thinking to keep it more geeky perhaps there's some xBox game you can both play to sort out all this agression once and for all.
I've lost some respect for both Rory and Robert through all this, and I honestly don't care who's in the right. (Besides, I'm old enough to know generally both people are right, and both are wrong, it's just a question of proportions.) Although I'm not arrogant enough to believe that either of you care in the least about my opinion.
I'll happily sound patronising though by pointing out that perhaps you both should refrain from carrying on arguments when it's clearly past both of your bedtimes. (Act like children, get treated like them.)
>If you don't think Podtech is in deep trouble, then maybe you should read http://www.neopoleon.com.There's this brilliant guy over there who thinks Podtech is in all kinds of trouble, and he's way smart, and he's way loud, so he must be right.
He's definitely way smart. Way smarter than me.
>You're such a baby.
You're right, I am. Why you having a conversation with a baby if you're a grown up?
>responding to me at length while making yourself look like a doofus
What's wrong with being a doofus? You made being a doofus cool and I just want to be like you.
>I'd rather eat poop than read your site
Is that supposed to be an insult? Damn, my 13-year-old can flame better than you.
>I'll see your generic, dull, limp comeback, and raise you something at least a little clever (I'll also type it with just my left pinkie to show off):"Won battle of words against Robert Scoble" isn't worthy of a raise at Microsoft - we only get rewarded for accomplishments.
Sorry, I only have 1/4th the IQ that you have. So, slow down a little as I struggle to keep up with your greatness.
>I heard what you did to your cameraman down in the valley (berating him in front of a bunch of bigwigs for his bad camera skills - yours aren't so hot, muchacho, and that's a pretty lame way of providing someone with feedback).
There were something like two people in the blog house at that time. Your boss being one of them. Agreed it was a lame way to provide feedback. He didn't leave cause of that, though. But, who cares about the truth when you have a good insult to make? Oh, wait a second, I thought THAT bothered YOU when I did it. Now I'm confused. Blame it on my slow brain again.
>Your "trashing" doesn't hurt. It's just reckless and selfish.
Oh, right. We're back to this line again. Damn it I want to keep the "most egotistical" award to myself, Rory. But you keep trying to grasp it out of my hands and put it on your own shelf. Grrrrr.
>First off, it's "ad hominem"
You HAD to pick on my misspelling, didn't you?
Like I said, I'm trying to keep up with someone who has 400% my intellect. Sometimes I'll make mistakes just trying to keep up.
>Um. Jeff likes you, which is more than I can say for the rest of the people around here (you should hear the jokes about your old office and how many articles/photos about/of yourself that you put on the walls - I love it).
Well, great, I have a bunch of backstabbers who won't even have the balls to tell me I'm an arrogant buttwipe to my face. At least with you I get the real deal. I'd much rather hang around someone who isn't nice when they are getting something from me, then stabbing me in the back as soon as I'm out of sight. Freaking just stick the damn knife in my chest when I'm in front of you.
But, that sure explains a WHOLE lot about the culture there that I don't even want to revisit. That explains a whole lot why so many smart people don't stick around.
Good luck with that. I bet they are doing the same thing with you. Wonder what kind of jokes they are making behind YOUR back?
Jeff, though, is a straight up guy. If he doesn't like you he'll tell you to your face. I appreciate that in someone.
> You don't... seriously expect me to sit down and watch 600 videos you made, do you?
Absolutely not. But, let's not go there since we're both in the content business and if no one watches our videos then we're out on the street. Better go watch some more of yours so I can learn how to do it right.
>When I say you ignored your guest, I mean to say just that - you ignored him.
Really? Wild. I'm so glad you know exactly what I was doing. You're telling me you can't look at your camera and pay attention to your guest too? Damn, I have only 1/4 your IQ and I can do that. Either way, you focused on, what, five seconds out of a 40-minute video? Out of 200 videos I've done?
Congratulations for finding a moment of stupidness in my videos. There's probably a few others, but then you'll have to watch.
>Your reputation as the most arrogant and narcissistic person any of us will ever meet is still firmly in place.
Whew! I thought it was in danger there for a minute.
>ever since last week, there's been a steady stream of people coming to me to tell me all about their favorite Robert-is-a-doofus moments
Great! If anyone who worked with me can't give you at least five then they didn't really work with me very long.
Hell, read my wife's blog and you'll see even more.
>You really have no idea what people really think of you.
I'm sure they think I'm an arrogant, stupid, doofus, if what you write is any indication.
But, if all of that is true, why you wasting your time telling someone who has 1/4 the IQ points of you that he's an arrogant, stupid, doofus?
And why am I bothering to listen to someone who listens to backstabbing coworkers?
I don't know, but I think it has to do with that cartoon that Ross loaded in the forum earlier this evening.
Say hi to your co-workers at Microsoft. You know the ones. They have patent cubes on their shelves.
>Although I'm not arrogant enough to believe that either of you care in the least about my opinion.
I do care and, of course, you are right.
That said, it's hard to disengage.
I'll take your advice, though cause it's the most sound advice I've read here tonight.
Good night Rory.
I've lost some respect for both Rory and Robert through all this
QFT. Although I did get *some* initial enjoyment out of seeing Robert get a good shouting at for his attitude and his fickle-ness.
I dislike immensely Robert's Dvorak-like link whoring (dvorak slams Apple for hits though), and I hate seeing Rory getting wound up to the point where he thinks that responding to every comment from Robert is constructive (or funny or something).
Maybe you two could just like, stop talking, it is obvious that neither are going to change ... but slamming each other here just makes you both look bad.
W3bbo wrote:Rory, shouldn't you have your own entry in Encyclopedia Dramatica by now?
I'm actually hesitant to post anything for fear of being reduced and belittled to the size of a peanut by the Rory beat down machine. Honestly I expect much more professionalism from Rory being that this is a MS forum, and Scoble is a guest on it.
After all; if everyone’s point of view lined up exactly where would there be a conversation. If the point of view we express on this forum is expected to be lined up with the MS or Rory point of view, what is point of coming here to converse?
Scoble expressed a point of view that was IMO wrongly meet with a over exaggerated *public* attack on character (not just on Scoble). Instead of being meet with calm, intelligent, and productive debate about the issues expressed.
Regardless whether Scoble is right or wrong, Id expect someone that is part of the C9 team and Microsoft to step up and be the professional about the whole thing, instead of turning it into a (I need to watch my language) slap contest.
You guys remind me of my school friends, although slightly more literate.
They're talking about "Technology-X" - I'm sure it will take the world by storm.
Edit: I backed up the conversation just in case someone get's into their heads to delete this one.
For those of you playing the home game.
An Ad hominem attack is a logical fallacy. If I say, "Scoble is an idiot", I'm not presenting an Ad Hominem attack. If I say , "Scoble is an idiot, therefore he is wrong about this thing" and don't present any counter evidence, I'm presenting an Ad Hominem argument.
Saying, "Of course Rory would defend Microsoft, he works there" or "Scoble is just poting sour grapes because he doesn't work for Microsoft anymore" are also examples of Ad Hominem arguments.
Remember kids, insults are not Ad hominem.
Next time, we'll tackle the Strawman.
That being said, this kind of post by robert DOES fall into the "Scoble formula", if there is such a thing. Make a post based on inside information but make sure the post contains none of the inside information and just serves to essentially say "nyah, nyah. I know something you don't know and I'm not tell-ing!" And it was old even back in the Longhorn hyping days on his blog.
While we're on the subject, let's talk about "trolls".
There's no such thing as a troll poster or troll user. These are not the scandinavian ugly beings we're referring to here...
Troll is actually a verb. It comes from the fishing act of trailing some bait behind a boat to see if fish bites.
In Usenet terminology this meant an article posted with the sole purpose to rile up other users while not providing any real contribution to the discussion.