Loadsgood wrote:

I didn't include popup blocking in the list because IE already has a built in popup blocker (Service Pack 2 update for XP)

Loadsgood wrote:

<rant>
"I want IE to support standards. Waa waa waa!" The only thing that doesn't support standards is website programmers. IE makes standards. So all standards should support IE, not the other way around.

sbc wrote:

You will never get another browser that works the same way as Internet Explorer for Windows. Even IE for Mac works differently - so that shows even Microsoft can't do that.

jamie wrote:

sbc wrote: You will never get another browser that works the same way as Internet Explorer for Windows. Even IE for Mac works differently - so that shows even Microsoft can't do that.

let's see what bosworth and beda come up with over at google..

Loadsgood wrote:

<rant>
...
So get over it people, either change browsers or shut the F*** up!!!!!!!!!
...

Loadsgood wrote:

"I want IE to support standards. Waa waa waa!" The only thing that doesn't support standards is website programmers. IE makes standards. So all standards should support IE, not the other way around.

Tom Malone wrote:

Except for the standards complience, i thing ie is a great browser, and most of the bad press is uncalled for.

Minh wrote:

Loadsgood wrote:<rant> ... So get over it people, either change browsers or shut the F*** up!!!!!!!!! ...

Wow, that's pretty inflamatory language. I'm not sure I like how this forum has become. Please make it stop.

Minh wrote:

Wow, that's pretty inflamatory language. I'm not sure I like how this forum has become. Please make it stop.

Loadsgood wrote:

No, my app isn't free - I use NIS '04 (Norton Internet Security 2004) for my popup blocking needs.

I didn't include popup blocking in the list because IE already has a built in popup blocker (Service Pack 2 update for XP)

sbc wrote:

<snip>
The whole point of standards is somewhere to aim for. It does not mean you can't define your own (after all innerHTML was a Microsoft invention, but was implemented by other browser as it is so useful).

The things some people want are implemented by third parties (tabbed browsing with Maxthon), but some are not possible, unless Microsoft does them (CSS compliance, alpha transparent PNG's).
<snip>

phunky_avocado wrote:

I'm glad someone raised that point.  I think that most of the people who complain about IE's perceived lack of standards support are web designers and DHTML programmers and not web application developers.

phunky_avocado wrote:

I'm glad someone raised that point.  I think that most of the people who complain about IE's perceived lack of standards support are web designers and DHTML programmers and not web application developers.

Steve411 wrote:

LoadsGood. You're the bomb! Someone who doesn't hate IE, great! Down with the rest! As you can see 99% of the visitors to my blog user MSIE! I wonder how many users that visit Mr.Scoble's blog still browse with IE. Perhaps post that on here?

Steve411 wrote:

LoadsGood. You're the bomb! Someone who doesn't hate IE, great! Down with the rest! As you can see 99% of the visitors to my blog user MSIE! I wonder how many users that visit Mr.Scoble's blog still browse with IE. Perhaps post that on here?

Maurits wrote:

If you really want 99% of your site's users to use IE, just do this:

< !--[if IE] >
Hey, welcome to my site, man...
< ![endif]-- >
< ![if !IE] >
Get a real browser
< ![endif] >

Omit the spaces after < and before > to get the full effect

Rossj wrote:

If I had a euro for every time I went to a site with Firefox to be told the site only works with IE or Netscape, I'd be rich. Well better off anyway.  I wish they'd put a button on most of these sites called "I'll take my chances".

Loadsgood wrote:

"I want tabbed browsing. Waa waa waa!" Well put this up your pipe and smoke it. Now do you want tabbed browsing?

Maurits wrote:

1) User Agent Sniffing
There's a plugin for Firefox - User Agent Switcher - that allows you to (temporarily) change the User-Agent header to whatever you like.

1. *Easily* create your own plugins with a simple scripting language like Javascript?
2. Access a wealth of *Free* plugins (like ad-blocker or bug-me-not) written by users for users?
3. Make the Links bar act more like a real menu?
4. Clear your Saved Form Information in less than 30 seconds?
5. Apply skins?
6. Have Tabs that work right? (none of the programs that profess to do it for IE work right).
7. Be sure that standards based development (not *lock-in* based) is driving the feature set?

sneakyhybrid wrote:

If you absolutely need to reach all those people to make an extra buck, then your product ain't worth selling.  Get out while you can.

WayneB wrote:

Clear your Saved Form Information in less than 30 seconds?

Sven Groot wrote:

Unless you have absolutely no idea how to work with the Internet Options, I think this on is possible at least.

sneakyhybrid wrote:

If you take 300,000,000 user agents, take away 6,000,000 Firefox, 12,500,000 Opera and 25,000,000 Other, you are still left with 250,000,000+ IE.

So, if it looks good in IE, don't change it.

Loadsgood wrote:

Steve411 wrote: LoadsGood. You're the bomb! Someone who doesn't hate IE, great! Down with the rest! As you can see 99% of the visitors to my blog user MSIE! I wonder how many users that visit Mr.Scoble's blog still browse with IE. Perhaps post that on here?

Yes, go me!

Hey Steve, are you going to be the second person who I know actually likes IE? (Myself, being the first). But it would be better if I didn't have to see this on the link you have there:

object88 wrote:

There are bugs in IE, but you still want to use it, right?  A bug in something does not make me stop wanting it.

object88 wrote:

Tabbed browsing saves me untold amounts of screen clutter.

Blkbam wrote:

Anyway I love IE.  It supports all of the pages I visit, it loads fast, I can switch from IE to WE without looking like I hit a webserver with no default page and thier upgrades (yes the FF people haven't figured out how to do this yet) don't break my previous plugins (this one either).

Blkbam wrote:

So does a second monitor.

Blkbam wrote:

FF has bugs but no one has found them yet.  The more it is used the more people will find in it.

WayneB wrote:

Furthermore, I can have 16 pages open in a single process. Internet Explorer would be using 16 different processes.

sneakyhybrid wrote:

My ONLY wish is for IE7 to TOTALLY, not partially, conform with CSS3, XHTML 2.0 and XML 1.1 and THEN add their "we are different, therefore the best" extras.  After that, watch the other companies follow suit.

jamie wrote:

Re: sneakyhybrid

I do have IE and FF.  Sure tabbed browsing is nice..  I checked it out today.  But after only 5 minutes on the web with FF, I found errors on major websites.  Like overlapping columns. 


...to name but one of HUNDEREDS

bsilby wrote:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234233

There seems to be a real difficulty getting dhtml to look as good in the moz browsers as it does in IE.

In this case it does look like it's related to the Win32 implementation of Firefox.  My fave quote from the bug report

Bugzilla wrote:

> is it playable on Linux?

Only very marginally (with a bit of practice I managed to play for 5-6 minutes
or so before getting caught by the robot things).

Loadsgood wrote:

I haven't heard any speech from the Safari/Opera users. Is this because those browsers are so bad that they bring up a lot of errors? Or is it because not many C^9ers use Saf/Op? If there is any Saf/Op users out there, speak up and tell us why Saf/Op is better than IE. Even though IE is still the best browser. And nothing will change that.

Rossj wrote:

I tried it in FF and it doesn't play well at all (and also eats all my CPU)
but on IE it's fine. Given that I love that game I guess I *do* have an excuse to keep IE around now.

Very cool game though I can see me playing that a lot tonight

Willy Duitt wrote:

WayneB wrote: What about advertising? Do you have any free plugin that let's you right-click on a banner or other ad and say "Block all images from *.doubleclick.*"?

Yes, it's called the host file...

It can be said that the secure and safe use of Internet Explorer is in direct proportion to the intelect and knowledge of the user...

And it is my feeling that those whom are lacking in either intelect or knowledge should use an alternate browser... Not only to protect them from themselves but to also protect us from their stupidity for having their machines compromised...

Perhaps the answer lies in requiring the successful completion of a Internet Explorer Saftey Course much like the US's firearms safety course which is required in order to get a liscence to hunt (surf)... Afterall, I doubt anyone would knowingly give a loaded firearm to a child or imbecile (at least not without prior training of its safe use and inherent dangers)....

Viva: We must protect our children and imbeciles!!!

.....Willy

Willy Duitt wrote:

Yes, it's called the host file...

1. Go to web page with crummy adverts.
2. Right click banner, click properties, highlight image src URL, copy.
3. Minimize browser, open Windows Explorer, navigate to C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\Etc\
4. Open hosts file with Notepad.
5. Insert new entry with 127.0.0.1 or 0.0.0.0, whatever.
6. Restore IE window, look at your page. Adverts are still there.
7. Refresh the page, Adverts are still there.
8. Finally, figure out that you must close all instances of IE for it to use the new hosts file.
9. Re-navigate to your page.

1. Go to web page with crummy adverts.
2. Right click banner, click Adblock Image.
3. Click OK on the resulting dialog. Image disappears immediately.

Willy Duitt wrote:

It can be said that the secure and safe use of Internet Explorer is in direct proportion to the intelect and knowledge of the user...

bsilby wrote:

I'm glad you enjoy the game. I've written quite a few arcade style dhmtl games to date. It runs a bit more consistently in FF on Linux, but (as you've observed) it runs best in IE.

bsilby wrote:

Someone mentioned Safari...my dhtml games run on the latest Safari (the earlier versions of Safari don't seem to accept the key events I use). They are a little slow in Safari

WayneB wrote:

Willy Duitt wrote:Yes, it's called the host file...

You:

1. Go to web page with crummy adverts.
2. Right click banner, click properties, highlight image src URL, copy.
3. Minimize browser, open Windows Explorer, navigate to C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\Etc\
4. Open hosts file with Notepad.
5. Insert new entry with 127.0.0.1 or 0.0.0.0, whatever.
6. Restore IE window, look at your page. Adverts are still there.
7. Refresh the page, Adverts are still there.
8. Finally, figure out that you must close all instances of IE for it to use the new hosts file.
9. Re-navigate to your page.

Me:

1. Go to web page with crummy adverts.
2. Right click banner, click Adblock Image.
3. Click OK on the resulting dialog. Image disappears immediately.

Furthermore, how do you block URL patterns like http://www.somesite.com/ads/* with the hosts file? (You can't.)

Blkbam wrote:

object88 wrote: Tabbed browsing saves me untold amounts of screen clutter.

So does a second monitor.

Sven Groot wrote:

Maurits wrote:1) User Agent Sniffing There's a plugin for Firefox - User Agent Switcher - that allows you to (temporarily) change the User-Agent header to whatever you like.

God, I hate those kinds of plugins. I sometimes do User Agent sniffing, but not to limit access to certain browsers, but to exclude browsers that I know don't work.