Who is going to watch the WWDC Keynote tomorrow?

(And by watch I mean observe by any means) I know for one I that will be. That's right, I'm an Apple fanboy and I can't get enough of this crap haha. Steve Jobs is outrageous onstage. Plus, I'm hoping they announce new displays. So even though this is a Microsoft website, how many here will be keeping up (Engadget, Ars, MacrumorsLive) on the keynote either while it's happening or shortly thereafter?

theshadguy wrote:

(And by watch I mean observe by any means) I know for one I that will be. That's right, I'm an Apple fanboy and I can't get enough of this crap haha. Steve Jobs is outrageous onstage. Plus, I'm hoping they announce new displays. So even though this is a Microsoft website, how many here will be keeping up (Engadget, Ars, MacrumorsLive) on the keynote either while it's happening or shortly thereafter?

Don't forget to play Bingo! And yes, I'll be watching, in fact I'll probably use our software to show updates on the big screen.

What is "our software" that you're referring to? I checked out your website but maybe I'm missing it haha. I'm intregued though, showing updates on the big screen sounds nifty

theshadguy wrote:

What is "our software" that you're referring to? I checked out your website but maybe I'm missing it haha. I'm intregued though, showing updates on the big screen sounds nifty

Digital Signage (the URL above is mine, not works).

I will after I replace the Fuel Pump in my truck.

During which I will probably have a piping glass of O+ and sacrifice my Dog Sammy Davis Jr. to the dark lord.

Didn't think they where doing Live Streaming of it?

1- I don't believe they will be streaming it live.
2- I also don't belive they will stream it using Windows Media Stream, or have it in a WMV or open format.  Will not use QuickCrap.

ben2004uk wrote:

Didn't think they where doing Live Streaming of it?

No, they aren't. By watching it I mean following say, Engadget's coverage of it while the Keynote is happening. Obviously not quite as good as a stream of it, but it's the best we can get, I believe.

Ohhhhh boy am I excited. Gawd I'm a nerd...

theshadguy wrote:

Ohhhhh boy am I excited. Gawd I'm a nerd...

One hour to go - time to boot the big screen.

Safari for Windows? WTF! Wasn't expecting that.

So will there be a Silverlight plugin for Safari on Windows in the works?

  I am feeling kinda disappointed, almost despondant.  Let's hope the video impresses me a little bit more, but I don't feel that iPhone apps as web-apps is a good idea, and in fact is pretty lame.

  Not my favourite ever keynote [C]

Rossj wrote:

Let's hope the video impresses me a little bit more, but I don't feel that iPhone apps as web-apps is a good idea, and in fact is pretty lame.

It's actually more or less what I was hoping for. I wanted web-enabled widgets. They're allowing web apps with access to the iPhone's features like making calls. Mostly the same thing, except there may not be any way to use the app if the phone doesn't have internet access.

Rossj wrote:


but I don't feel that iPhone apps as web-apps is a good idea, and in fact is pretty lame.

Agreed. I wish we'd all stop using technology suited for displaying formatted text and images with a small amount of interactivity as if it's a good platform for application development, both on- and offline.

Rossj wrote:


  I am feeling kinda disappointed, almost despondant.  Let's hope the video impresses me a little bit more, but I don't feel that iPhone apps as web-apps is a good idea, and in fact is pretty lame.

  Not my favourite ever keynote

This depends on how you look at it really.

The Core Animation stuff I've been seeing in WPF demos for quite some time. The Finder seems to have evolved into Window Explorer, and the biggest news is that Apple has started porting applications to Windows. Does this mean that somewhere in the depths of Apple, there is a Cocoa framework for Windows in the works?

I still reckon that we are seeing the evolution of OSX away from an operating system, and more towards a set of services for supporting the Apple environment.

And what exactly were expecting for iPhone applications? Did you really think that they'd crammed the whole OSX into a phone?

Nope, what you have is a basic phone OS running just enough fluff to run Dashboard apps. Full blown applications on phones is for geeks, and Apple's forte is not geeks.

Yes, it was a 'zune of a keynote' as a friend of mine described it. Nothing in there that I feel the need to splash out on a new Mac for (especially since I ordered a vista machine a few days back), but I think it was pointer to Apple's future in online services and consumer devices.

Bas wrote:



Rossj wrote:  but I don't feel that iPhone apps as web-apps is a good idea, and in fact is pretty lame.

Agreed. I wish we'd all stop using technology suited for displaying formatted text and images with a small amount of interactivity as if it's a good platform for application development, both on- and offline.

Exactly how much work do you think folk really want to do on a mobile phone?

Ray6 wrote:

The Core Animation stuff I've been seeing in WPF demos for quite some time.

The big difference is that Core Animation will work with any NSView (Control equiv) whereas WPF insists on you writing new code, and even then if you use something like ActiveX it doesn't partake in the composition.  But you are right, Microsoft was there first - even though we'll have to wait for non-Beta versions of the tools.

Ray6 wrote:

the biggest news is that Apple has started porting applications to Windows. Does this mean that somewhere in the depths of Apple, there is a Cocoa framework for Windows in the works?

Now if that were true, that would certainly change my mind about the keynote, although I suspect they used Carbon (which isn't a million miles from Win32 at least conceptually).

Ray6 wrote:


And what exactly were expecting for iPhone applications? Did you really think that they'd crammed the whole OSX into a phone?

They could have let other people ship Dashboard widgets like they do - sure it is only JS/HTML but with Cocoa extensions if you want then - but I am not sure they have suggested anything other than 'add a favourite to Safari'.

Rossj wrote:



Ray6 wrote: The Core Animation stuff I've been seeing in WPF demos for quite some time.

The big difference is that Core Animation will work with any NSView (Control equiv) whereas WPF insists on you writing new code, and even then if you use something like ActiveX it doesn't partake in the composition.  But you are right, Microsoft was there first - even though we'll have to wait for non-Beta versions of the tools.

I actually think that the MS way is fair enough, I think at this stage, we need new applications, rather than stuff that just gets bolted on to old crusty stuff. There's too much of that on the Windows platform already.
And these days, I don' t think it really matters too much who was there first. The new finder is looks like Windows Explorer, and I'm happy with that, since I always thought MS had the right idea there anyway.

Rossj wrote:



Ray6 wrote: the biggest news is that Apple has started porting applications to Windows. Does this mean that somewhere in the depths of Apple, there is a Cocoa framework for Windows in the works?

Now if that were true, that would certainly change my mind about the keynote, although I suspect they used Carbon (which isn't a million miles from Win32 at least conceptually).

Well doesn't Cocoa sit on top of Carbon anyway? So yes, they'd have Carbon underneath, but Cocoao running on top.

Haven't followed up this link, but it looks like an interesting read.

Rossj wrote:



Ray6 wrote:  And what exactly were expecting for iPhone applications? Did you really think that they'd crammed the whole OSX into a phone?

They could have let other people ship Dashboard widgets like they do - sure it is only JS/HTML but with Cocoa extensions if you want then - but I am not sure they have suggested anything other than 'add a favourite to Safari'.

Well that's just it, I don't think they have anything in there aside from a browser and few supporting services. Apparently, the iPhone browser might not even support Flash.
So I think we can start to move away from this idea that the iPhone somehow carries a full OSX stack, and see it for what it is; a less-than-smartphone that is aimed squarely at consumers.

Update:

I see your point; the fact that they do not support Cocoa, means that they're not as powerful as the widgets you get on the Mac desktop.