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corona_coder — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:38:31 GMT

Great article and I agree 100% with the author. Microsoft cannot and willnotl survive open source. we are winning. We are dwindling their marketshare, the OSS projects put out better software. This comes from Government officials as well. I predict in 2015 there will be no Microsoft, in 2009 OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows.

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JChung2006 — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:43:16 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

I predict in 2009 OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows.

QFE. corona_coder has clearly lost his mind.

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Ray6 — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:46:51 GMT

Yup.

Saw the article was from 'Free Source whatever', and stopped reading there ....

I predict plenty of emotion and no hard evidence.

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harumscarum — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:50:33 GMT

We willnotl survive past 2012.

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anand.t — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:57:02 GMT

what should I have for lunch now

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tsilb — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:04:18 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

Great article and I agree 100% with the author. Microsoft cannot and willnotl survive open source. we are winning. We are dwindling their marketshare, the OSS projects put out better software. This comes from Government officials as well. I predict in 2015 there will be no Microsoft, in 2009 OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows.

I predict that Linux will continue to suffer a minimalistic user base until someone releases a distro with:
- Good OOBE experience
- Native support for Windows apps (no emulation)
- Significant, or even noticable, support from Game developers

XP has been long enough to garner respect and support from a great deal of the world as a whole. It will be around long after 2009.

Around 2008 (it pains me to say) Vista will have the most significant market penetration, followed by Vienna, Singularity, and whatever Microsoft does next.

You wanna troll Windows? Go do it on an anti-Windows forum. Nobody likes you here.

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phreaks — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:11:37 GMT

And every enterprise is going to rewrite all their windows apps, database procedures and migrate all their data over to linux too.

All by 2015. Very interesting, I can't wait for the $$$ to start rolling in from all this work

I should prolly start just writting my apps in strict c now, aye, to make the conversion that much easier.

My sister can't figure out how to program her remote control, but using linux, hey that will be a breeze!

I'm so excited!

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Skeeterbug — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:23:41 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

Great article and I agree 100% with the author. Microsoft cannot and willnotl survive open source. we are winning. We are dwindling their marketshare, the OSS projects put out better software. This comes from Government officials as well. I predict in 2015 there will be no Microsoft, in 2009 OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows.

I had a really long rant about this post. Then the last line I read OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows. LOL

9/10 - You almost got me.

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mig — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:40:29 GMT

phreaks wrote:

And every enterprise is going to rewrite all their windows apps, database procedures and migrate all their data over to linux too.

All by 2015. Very interesting, I can't wait for the $$$ to start rolling in from all this work

I should prolly start just writting my apps in strict c now, aye, to make the conversion that much easier.

My sister can't figure out how to program her remote control, but using linux, hey that will be a breeze!

I'm so excited!

[C] [C] [C] <- those are tears from laughing so hard....

I'm hungry as well, think I'll have some pasta today.

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ixdatul — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:57:03 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

Great article and I agree 100% with the author. Microsoft cannot and willnotl survive open source. we are winning. We are dwindling their marketshare, the OSS projects put out better software. This comes from Government officials as well. I predict in 2015 there will be no Microsoft, in 2009 OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows.

If ignorance is bliss you must be the happiest guy in Imbecilia.

You know, I think you need a better way to attract attention to your cause, maybe a nice cardboard sign reading:

"Thel Yearl Ofl Thel Linuxl Desktopl Isl Comingl! Inl ~~2001~~ ~~2003~~ ~~2005~~ ~~2007~~ 2015 Youl Willl Knowl Whatl Il Knowl !!!"

Just a side note here, why don't you formulate your own opinion about something instead of regurgitating every *nix piece of literary trash you get in your gmail Inbox.

We might be following the corporate devil to oppressed code hell, but at least were not sheep following each other off a cliff.

Regards,
Ix

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cornelius — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:06:57 GMT

what is this wondrous open source you all speak of?

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Ray6 — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:29:20 GMT

cornelius wrote:

what is this wondrous open source you all speak of?

It's the dominant religion of a small country called Ubuntu.

It's followers worship a god called StawlMarn, who, it is said, will deliver the world from the evil church of M$c$o$o$t (for that is how it is written).

Upon that most joyous of days, the worshippers of OpenSauce (praise be upon it) will rejoice and give thanks, by taking a bath and then moving out of their parent's house.

Don't you know anything?

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ixdatul — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:47:47 GMT

Ray6 wrote:

cornelius wrote:
what is this wondrous open source you all speak of?

It's the dominant religion of a small country called Ubuntu.

It's followers worship a god called StawlMarn, who, it is said, will deliver the world from the evil church of M$c$o$o$t (for that is how it is written).

Upon that most joyous of days, the worshippers of OpenSauce (praise be upon it) will rejoice and give thanks, by taking a bath and then moving out of their parent's house.

Don't you know anything?

I laughed so hard people are staring at me.

Ix

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You can't handle my name — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:50:24 GMT

hehehe

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Lloyd Humphreys — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:52:33 GMT

ixdatul wrote:

Ray6 wrote:

cornelius wrote:
what is this wondrous open source you all speak of?

It's the dominant religion of a small country called Ubuntu.

It's followers worship a god called StawlMarn, who, it is said, will deliver the world from the evil church of M$c$o$o$t (for that is how it is written).

Upon that most joyous of days, the worshippers of OpenSauce (praise be upon it) will rejoice and give thanks, by taking a bath and then moving out of their parent's house.

Don't you know anything?

I laughed so hard people are staring at me.

Ix

Lol, me too, then my Mum came up to see what was so funny, and she didn't get it

LOL

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SpongeBobSquarePants — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:25:25 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

Great article and I agree 100% with the author. Microsoft cannot and willnotl survive open source. we are winning. We are dwindling their marketshare, the OSS projects put out better software. This comes from Government officials as well. I predict in 2015 there will be no Microsoft, in 2009 OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows.

Dull

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mstefan — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:39:25 GMT

You know, I like pepper jack cheese. That, with a nice bit of smoked ham and a dab of Colman's mustard. It makes for a delicious snack.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:40:38 GMT

Or fried penguin, my new favorite food. Yummy!

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acohen167 — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:54:07 GMT

I cant believe I am playing along in a dev forum - but I FRIGGIN LOVE THIS!!

Keep 'em comin' boys! Reality might just be a few more posts away for this guy.

-ac

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k2t0f12d — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:11:02 GMT

Microsoft has nowhere left to run because it is so enormous there is nowhere left to run. Should software as product ever fold to software as a public utility, Microsoft won't vanish because of it. Microsoft will become it. You can't be a multi-billion a year organization and simply vanish if your ideal business model is antiquated, you reorganize to do what works.

A free software advocate should be about evening the playing field through copyright and patent law reform, free protocols, free formats, free hardware specifications enabling free drivers, and most of all, protecting free software commons not attacking proprietary business.

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figuerres — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:07:43 GMT

k2t0f12d wrote:

Microsoft has nowhere left to run because it is so enormous there is nowhere left to run. Should software as product ever fold to software as a public utility, Microsoft won't vanish because of it. Microsoft will become it. You can't be a multi-billion a year organization and simply vanish if your ideal business model is antiquated, you reorganize to do what works.

A free software advocate should be about evening the playing field through copyright and patent law reform, free protocols, free formats, free hardware specifications enabling free drivers, and most of all, protecting free software commons not attacking proprietary business.

Amen and Kudos!

this I totaly agree with....

sometimes such junk gets posted it's easy to miss the gems.

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SpongeBobSquarePants — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:11:57 GMT

k2t0f12d wrote:

Microsoft has nowhere left to run because it is so enormous there is nowhere left to run. Should software as product ever fold to software as a public utility, Microsoft won't vanish because of it. Microsoft will become it. You can't be a multi-billion a year organization and simply vanish if your ideal business model is antiquated, you reorganize to do what works.

A free software advocate should be about evening the playing field through copyright and patent law reform, free protocols, free formats, free hardware specifications enabling free drivers, and most of all, protecting free software commons not attacking proprietary business.

Agree 100%. You taking stock of this Corona?

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corona_coder — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 01:41:48 GMT

Windows is being displaced, even on developers workstations. Now general applications developers are leaving it. believe it or not I agree with k2t0f12d somewhat. Microsoft has gotten big and too big. Because of that their software lacks quality. Agree or disagree Vista was a complete failure. Look at the missing features, the broken promises. when have you seen a Linux distribution cut features, hardly ever. Some were cut from Ubuntu 7.04 because of conflicts. Some may not work right but notice even though they arent distributed you can work on those programs that arent exactly ready and get them working correctly. Look at WinFS, totally gone. Nowhere to be found. Desktop search; Microsoft couldnt get that working right so they "borrowed" ideas from Beagle. Microsoft could possibly be a leader in the industry but right now they are trailing far behind. Look at the VS express disaster. Am I the only one who thinks its wrong for Microsoft to attack its own partners? If so where is this world going. Free Software is more than just freedom as in cost or freedom as in speech, its about community. Its about helping your neighbor. Its about making the planet a better place and not have to get lawyers every turn around just to settle disputes. More importantly its about sharing. Sharing ideas sharing solutions to problems. microsoft doesnt care, they want their buck and screw everyone. Does Microsoft care about fixing its product flaws? Not in any way, not when they have dozens of flaws unfixed and not planning to fix.

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William Stacey — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:03:51 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

Windows is being displaced, even on developers workstations. Now general applications developers are leaving it. believe it or not I agree with k2t0f12d somewhat. Microsoft has gotten big and too big. Because of that their software lacks quality. Agree or disagree Vista was a complete failure. Look at the missing features, the broken promises. when have you seen a Linux distribution cut features, hardly ever. Some were cut from Ubuntu 7.04 because of conflicts. Some may not work right but notice even though they arent distributed you can work on those programs that arent exactly ready and get them working correctly. Look at WinFS, totally gone. Nowhere to be found. Desktop search; Microsoft couldnt get that working right so they "borrowed" ideas from Beagle. Microsoft could possibly be a leader in the industry but right now they are trailing far behind. Look at the VS express disaster. Am I the only one who thinks its wrong for Microsoft to attack its own partners? If so where is this world going. Free Software is more than just freedom as in cost or freedom as in speech, its about community. Its about helping your neighbor. Its about making the planet a better place and not have to get lawyers every turn around just to settle disputes. More importantly its about sharing. Sharing ideas sharing solutions to problems. microsoft doesnt care, they want their buck and screw everyone. Does Microsoft care about fixing its product flaws? Not in any way, not when they have dozens of flaws unfixed and not planning to fix.

Cool. Free pizza and beer - on Beer.

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figuerres — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:31:10 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

Windows is being displaced, even on developers workstations. Now general applications developers are leaving it. believe it or not I agree with k2t0f12d somewhat. Microsoft has gotten big and too big. Because of that their software lacks quality. Agree or disagree Vista was a complete failure. Look at the missing features, the broken promises. when have you seen a Linux distribution cut features, hardly ever. Some were cut from Ubuntu 7.04 because of conflicts. Some may not work right but notice even though they arent distributed you can work on those programs that arent exactly ready and get them working correctly. Look at WinFS, totally gone. Nowhere to be found. Desktop search; Microsoft couldnt get that working right so they "borrowed" ideas from Beagle. Microsoft could possibly be a leader in the industry but right now they are trailing far behind. Look at the VS express disaster. Am I the only one who thinks its wrong for Microsoft to attack its own partners? If so where is this world going. Free Software is more than just freedom as in cost or freedom as in speech, its about community. Its about helping your neighbor. Its about making the planet a better place and not have to get lawyers every turn around just to settle disputes. More importantly its about sharing. Sharing ideas sharing solutions to problems. microsoft doesnt care, they want their buck and screw everyone. Does Microsoft care about fixing its product flaws? Not in any way, not when they have dozens of flaws unfixed and not planning to fix.

stop preaching and start doing....

build some really great software for your selected os...
show us by writing code that's really great.

we do not need you to tell us the news of the day.

we can read that news on our own.

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k2t0f12d — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:58:04 GMT

I don't like the direction Microsoft is taking with their software generally, that is, in function or license. I don't think software as a product is as beneficial as software as a public utility can be for the progress of Science and the Useful Arts. I think it is a mistake for the leaders of Microsoft to criticize free software by identifying it or its methods as something they are not, and most people who have read my recent posts in Channel 9 will recognize why I think this is so.

But I also feel that in order to effectively promote any goodwill to the technological communities of the world that I should be about the business of building or helping to build something rather then trying to tear something else down. And it isn't that I think that Microsoft is beyond criticism, quite the opposite, many things their leadership says and does are quite questionable and it surprises me that those statements and actions are not examined more fully.

If Microsoft has grown "too big", meaning that it holds the most interest in the world and the concerns of its industry, what the rest of the world must examine, and in particular these United States of America, is where anti-trust law should be applied. It is in the interests of society as a whole that power not consolidate in the hands of those who must never have it. So the question isn't about money specifically, although the accumulation of large quantities of wealth can aid in the accumulation of illegitimate power and provide a shining light to the rest of us as to where some examination can and should be made.

Microsoft is a corporation whose interest is to continue to encourage other people to lend them their money to perform their business. While many people in the company are concerned with the development of its software, Microsoft has to be about getting "their" buck because they are using other people's money to do it and those people are going to have monetary expectations. This is why the argument in quantity of wealth is almost totally irrelevant to the discussion of the validity of a business, because it is the people of a society in which the business exists that will legitimize its existence by offering their money in investments. It is true that that is not solely what must be used to measure the validity of a business, and an excess of wealth can be the first sign that something isn't on the up and up. And while Microsoft has been, and should continue to be, examined under the statues of anti-trust, it is not anti-trust law that will put the software industry where it belongs in respect to the 18th century ideal for the progress of Science and the Useful Arts. Other laws will need careful examination, most notably that of copyright and patent law, which have all but ceased to support the diffusion of knowledge that they were supposed to encourage.

In order to do that we are going to need more and not less lawyers to protect the commons. Skilled lawyers to flatten the field in which enterprise may freely build its business without squeezing out or frightening away the garage inventor who can change their life and the world with a single bright idea. The misguided voices like to complain about the laws and lawyers in Channel 9, but it is those same laws that are protecting their ideas and their software and it is lawyers who are maintaining the commons that make certain they are free to exercise their right to invention. While it can be said that those laws need a top level review to make certain they are square with the 18th century ideas written in the Constitution of the United States Article 1 Section 8 for the progress of Science and the Useful arts, we are going to need more and not less attention to that if we are going to make certain that the future still holds that promise for everyone.

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figuerres — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:21:34 GMT

k2t0f12d wrote:

In order to do that we are going to need more and not less lawyers to protect the commons. Skilled lawyers to flatten the field in which enterprise may freely build its business without squeezing out or frightening away the garage inventor who can change their life and the world with a single bright idea. The misguided voices like to complain about the laws and lawyers in Channel 9, but it is those same laws that are protecting their ideas and their software and it is lawyers who are maintaining the commons that make certain they are free to exercise their right to invention. While it can be said that those laws need a top level review to make certain they are square with the 18th century ideas written in the Constitution of the United States Article 1 Section 8 for the progress of Science and the Useful arts, we are going to need more and not less attention to that if we are going to make certain that the future still holds that promise for everyone.

the only issue I have with lawyers is that they generaly come up with more and more terms and conditions to deal with...

most of the time they are paid to make things more difficult for "the other guy" -- who that is depends on who pays them.

I'd much rather see a fundimental re-working of patent and copyright that address fairness and issues like the "Bad patent"

the last few years of music / media and Digital copyright have been very bad stuff in so many ways.

if we just keep piling more layers of crud on top of crud we will have a real nightmare of laws that do not work.

simple machines tend to outlast overly complex ones.

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JohnAskew — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:44:57 GMT

ixdatul wrote:

Ray6 wrote:

cornelius wrote:
what is this wondrous open source you all speak of?

It's the dominant religion of a small country called Ubuntu.

It's followers worship a god called StawlMarn, who, it is said, will deliver the world from the evil church of M$c$o$o$t (for that is how it is written).

Upon that most joyous of days, the worshippers of OpenSauce (praise be upon it) will rejoice and give thanks, by taking a bath and then moving out of their parent's house.

Don't you know anything?

I laughed so hard people are staring at me.

Ix

I heard a co-worker laughing today at work and asked why, he pointed to this too. Funny.

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Alexei Pavlov — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:41:13 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

Great article and I agree 100% with the author. Microsoft cannot and willnotl survive open source. we are winning. We are dwindling their marketshare, the OSS projects put out better software. This comes from Government officials as well. I predict in 2015 there will be no Microsoft, in 2009 OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows.

Death of MS means death for you, OSS.
What you will copy/clone then?

You're out of ideas much more than MS.

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cgarre — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:30:48 GMT

I am confused ! Whom should i support !
I think its high time each person thinks about writing his/her own operating system.

Atleast kids should be trained right from the time they were born to understand the big divide and live with it .. and embrace it ...

After all everybody wants a father and mother and a set of relatives ... Microsoft is arguably the "father" (since usually fathers are richer ) , Linux is mother and all others are relatives ...

I am sure if i get angry I will write my own kernel ....

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k2t0f12d — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:13:40 GMT

At this point in technology, writing an operating system kernel program that can support even one architecture of general purpose machine would be such an enormous undertaking that it is really very unlikely that a single person could do so. Even if one were to try, it would probably involve mining existing code such as Linux or BSD for ideas anyway, since Microsoft's code is not distributed. As that is the case, it is arguably better to contribute your new ideas to existing projects instead.

The only case where I think writing entirely new software would be universally beneficial for all of society would be if a new operating system kernel program was written with a more advanced design in mind then is currently available. Object-oriented micro-kernel technology pushes as much functionality from kernel space to user space as possible. Most of the operating system's kernel functions are contained in object modules that can crash or be replaced and modified with low system impact.

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me — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:18:11 GMT

nice gpl3 logo.

regardless of OS politics (communist/proprietary etc) MS is in serious denial.

OSS will get better. The business model is services and hardware - and specialized tweaking for business.

That logo should scare the pants off MS

Should all software be free.. probably not

but should an OS cost 500$ cdn? Force you validate and activate multiple times, add DRM, etc

Why can Apple sell 5 home OS's for 129 - with everything?

oh ya - hardware... and a salesguy with TASTE

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JChung2006 — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:49:19 GMT

OSS would be a lot farther along if people like corona_coder wasted less time writing OSS propaganda BS and actually... oh I don't know... wrote some damn OSS code for a change.

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Christian Liensberger — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:52:12 GMT

JChung2006 wrote:

OSS would be a lot farther along if people like corona_coder wasted less time writing OSS propaganda BS and actually... oh I don't know... wrote some damn OSS code for a change.

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YearOfTheLinuxDesktop — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:02:49 GMT

littleguru wrote:

JChung2006 wrote:
OSS would be a lot farther along if people like corona_coder wasted less time writing OSS propaganda BS and actually... oh I don't know... wrote some damn OSS code for a change.

++

+=2

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Ray6 — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:45:08 GMT

jamie wrote:

That logo should scare the pants off MS

They waste time doing a logo for a license and MS should be scared?

jamie wrote:

but should an OS cost 500$ cdn? Force you validate and activate multiple times, add DRM, etc

I have Vista running on a box here, and I have validated exactly once.
If they didn't have DRM then how would you play the DRM-locked disks? I don't think MS should ask its users to scour around for hacking software,

jamie wrote:

Why can Apple sell 5 home OS's for 129 - with everything?

Because they also charge over at least $500 for each of the five machines that you run it on.

And I cannot understand why everyone holds Apple up as a paragon of virtue when they're the ones who prevent you from running OSX on faster, cheaper and more reliable hardware.

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me — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:57:51 GMT

Ray6 wrote:

jamie wrote:

That logo should scare the pants off MS

They waste time doing a logo for a license and MS should be scared?

the logo in question says GPL3 - FREE SOFTWARE (imagine that on one computer case and another - for much more -without it (one day..)

jamie wrote:

but should an OS cost 500$ cdn? Force you validate and activate multiple times, add DRM, etc

I have Vista running on a box here, and I have validated exactly once.

im still on XP - and need to validate for media player, ie, photostory, bla bla

i think i remember vista still makes you "validate" multiple times (not activate (once)

If they didn't have DRM then how would you play the DRM-locked disks?

i would load the drm software before playing the content - but most likely wouldnt BUY that content. This is not a decision for Microsoft (lovem or hatem) to make on "our behalf" - it should be ours

I don't think MS should ask its users to scour around for hacking software, - why is this MS's issue again? they already have their IP activated and validated...validated....validated....validated....

jamie wrote:

Why can Apple sell 5 home OS's for 129 - with everything?

Because they also charge over at least $500 for each of the five machines that you run it on.

i paid over 5k for 2 of the machines in my house - and over 1k for both 2 laptops.

And I cannot understand why everyone holds Apple up as a paragon of virtue when they're the ones who prevent you from running OSX on faster, cheaper and more reliable hardware.

this issue is not OSX per say - it is the REAMING of windows users cause vista didnt live up to the hype

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k2t0f12d — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 01:00:39 GMT

jamie wrote:

That logo should scare the pants off MS

Ray6 wrote:

They waste time doing a logo for a license and MS should be scared?

People say that free software gets the short straw because it isn't getting enough promotion, but someone does a logo and now you say its a waste of time. [C]

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me — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 01:11:52 GMT

PS - disclaimer...

ermm its me remember.. the guy with all the ms books.. the "fan" the "enthusiast"

im not trolling for OSS

but i am waiting for MS to treat it like when they were late to the internet

(ya ya internet platform and tools / ben slivka - "here we come to save the day" etc)

they bust that up (commies!" billg)

and from there its been sp2 / IE locked .. vista mac google black ui .. zune..ha live hahaha

whatever

fans are allowed to get mad

and if they actually want ms to DO something ANYTHING it is here they should post it?

well we are.

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me — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 01:36:02 GMT

ps - on a whim i thought YOU would be a good new direction for windows/live.. so i typed youOS.com and got this

https://www.youos.com/

if you arnt buying facebook - at least buy this (you.com is nothing but a login - get that too) *singularity - nice geeky name - is NOT the name (please!)

the cloud os - the "new" ms... we are waiting (dump live)

(hmm facebook is all php... guess im going to have to start learning that) *yes facebook is an OS (for life/communicating)

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shreyasonline — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:50:23 GMT

JChung2006 wrote:

corona_coder wrote:
I predict in 2009 OS/2 will have more marketshare than Windows.

QFE. corona_coder has clearly lost his mind.

I second that... and predict that by 2015 there will be more birds swimming in ocean than the fish but, later by 2050 fishes will learn to fly as there will be no space left in the oceans for all of them!

Shreyas Zare

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Soviut — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:59:07 GMT

jamie wrote:

ps - on a whim i thought YOU would be a good new direction for windows/live.. so i typed youOS.com and got this

https://www.youos.com/

if you arnt buying facebook - at least buy this (you.com is nothing but a login - get that too) *singularity - nice geeky name - is NOT the name (please!)

the cloud os - the "new" ms... we are waiting (dump live)

(hmm facebook is all php... guess im going to have to start learning that) *yes facebook is an OS (for life/communicating)

Geesh! Take two seconds to compose your writing rather than just typing out your train of thought. Its like trying to decypher hyperactive teen girls discussing their latest purchases/rivalries at the mall. Please write sentences, use punctuation, and string ideas together in paragraphs. Then maybe I'll have some idea as to what you're SPECIFICALLY talking about.

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Ray6 — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:04:58 GMT

k2t0f12d wrote:

jamie wrote:

That logo should scare the pants off MS

Ray6 wrote:
They waste time doing a logo for a license and MS should be scared?

People say that free software gets the short straw because it isn't getting enough promotion, but someone does a logo and now you say its a waste of time.

Yes it's a waste of time because it focuses on something that the vast majority do not (and will not) ever give a hoot about.

When was the last time you saw a software company market its product by waving its licence in consumers faces? It's like trying to sell a car on the strength of its engine serial number.

If you want to promote GPLv3, then time would be better spent actually writing software that can match MS and Apple in terms of usability and utility; then you will find it much easier to force your ideals on people.

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Ray6 — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:49:36 GMT

jamie wrote:

the logo in question says GPL - FREE SOFTWARE (imagine that on one computer case and another - for much more -without it (one day..)

No, the logo says 'GPLv3' - which kind of sums up the whole problem with open source thinking today. Rather than building the software for the people, they build it for themselves and then try to force people to become geeks so they can run it. A few days ago, someone here was arguing that things would be so much better once Mom and Pop got the hang of using version control software so that they could maintain their own source repositories.

jamie wrote:

m still on XP - and need to validate for media player, ie, photostory, bla bla

i think i remember vista still makes you "validate" multiple times (not activate (once)

Mmmm ... no and no.

The only validation I am seeing is the usual license key stuff that companies pop up when the demo has expired. Not seeing anything on the XP box either. One validation, and that has been it. I imagine it is carrying out some validation thing in the background, but we're not aware of it here.

jamie wrote:

i would load the drm software before playing the content - but most likely wouldnt BUY that content. This is not a decision for Microsoft (lovem or hatem) to make on "our behalf" - it should be ours

The huge majority do not care about DRM, they just want to stick the disk in the machine and just go. If you tell that they have to go chase down another piece of software, then they just won't bother. Since having DRM installed on the machine does not affect non-DRM disks in any way, then there is nothing to be gained by not having it installed. You are still free to play non-DRM disks.

jamie wrote:

why is this MS's issue again? they already have their IP activated and validated...validated....validated....validated....

... as I said, I have not seen this multiple validation thing on any of the boxes at home or at work.

jamie wrote:

i paid over 5k for 2 of the machines in my house - and over 1k for both 2 laptops.

But that is your choice. With Apple, you don't really get one. You put up with their outdated, limited-option and suspect quality hardware or you don't.

jamie wrote:

this issue is not OSX per say - it is the REAMING of windows users cause vista didnt live up to the hype

I'm sorry but did you see the last WWDC keynote? Leopard certainly isn't the revolution that Jobs had been gassing on about for months. What was that 'hidden feature' by the way? In fact, over the five years that Apple has been charging for relatively minor changes to their operating system, I could actually have bought Vista Ultimate and seen a lot more additions to the OS

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prencher — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:13:43 GMT

At least have some decency and refer to "Free Software" or "FSF" / "Free Software Foundation", not Open Source. Don't lump all of us in with those freaks that thinks stallman is not a complete loon.

Stallman himself loathes the Open Source movement, because unlike the FSF, it plays well with commercial entities, it doesn't try to change the world outside it's own stuff.

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Maddus Mattus — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:14:48 GMT

Ofcourse Microsoft is losing market share in the developer world, they are at 100% marketshare.

It's only downhill from there!

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prencher — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:14:44 GMT

Siyavash wrote:

Linux = 40% MAC + 40% Windows + 20% other spices.

The thing about morons is... when they start saying stuff like "Micro$oft is dying next year" taken from back of their body... you better start buying Microsoft stocks. That is what I learned from the past.

I seen the "Microsoft hating" back in 1995, I actually been one of these morons. ALL so called "Open source coders" ( back then we called them code rippers since they didn't write their own code and stole it from others ) that I known, all the Linux h4x0r guys I known, they were and are all out of jobs. No money, no life, no nothing. and the ones I know STILL go around saying it should all be free!!! haha... So anyhow back then the little brainy started thinking. I started coding on Windows and oh boy, how I fell in love with it.

Today, more than a decade from then, when I look back I see I made the right choice. Even back then they said "Microsoft will die next year."

One wonders, these morons who probably love Star Wars ( I do too ) should somehow learn from it? I mean, they say Microsoft is evil but see who is hating who, who is angry towards who. Eventhough they see us as bad people, I think they are the ones who are Evil and hate. This hate will prevent them from winning.

What they forget is that "Microsoft" is not one evil person, but it is built by people, people who have families and kids, they feel love and sadness, they too work hard like everyone else and let us not forget that it is built by people who love technology not hating it.

Anything which is built upon spite and hate will fail, it is doomed from the start. History is the best teacher.

And speaking of food, I love fried penguins! and sometimes just raw and bloody.

Wow.

You actually managed to come off as more of a retard than corona_coder. Well done.

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Massif — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:28:25 GMT

OK, I'm having difficulty in figuring out whether to decide this thread is troll-spawn and release "thar kitti3z", or whether you're actually having a serious debate.

Regardless, it's ridiculous to pretend that Microsoft are going to disappear, overnight or otherwise. IBM are still here, so why would MS vanish? It's not going to happen, ever (well, ok, so everything disappears eventually, but my point is that if MS vanish, it'll be through a slow degradation of profitability, and a failure to adapt to a changing market and as such take many many many years.)

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Maddus Mattus — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:14:09 GMT

Debating about the future is useless, it changes everytime you talk about it.

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Soviut — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:22:39 GMT

k2t0f12d wrote:

jamie wrote:

That logo should scare the pants off MS

Ray6 wrote:
They waste time doing a logo for a license and MS should be scared?

People say that free software gets the short straw because it isn't getting enough promotion, but someone does a logo and now you say its a waste of time.

This has got to be one of the worst "professional" logos I've seen in a while. What's with the giant sabertooth sticking out of the 3. Go figure, the OSS comunity has no designers. Just look at the PHP logo, a photoshop beveled oval with the letter's php in it.

This is where all the developers who can't design go "its not about design, its about functionality blah blah". Well this post was about marketability and this GPL logo fails grandly at that. While I can't stand the zealot linux and mac communities who defend their "team" for no real reason other than to feel like they belong to something, at least apple can market their stuff.

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Harlequin — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:34:56 GMT

Why do you need to have a logo and market a license?

It should be a document, and no more.

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prencher — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:37:49 GMT

Soviut wrote:

k2t0f12d wrote:

jamie wrote:

That logo should scare the pants off MS

Ray6 wrote:
They waste time doing a logo for a license and MS should be scared?

People say that free software gets the short straw because it isn't getting enough promotion, but someone does a logo and now you say its a waste of time.

This has got to be one of the worst "professional" logos I've seen in a while. What's with the giant sabertooth sticking out of the 3. Go figure, the OSS comunity has no designers. Just look at the PHP logo, a photoshop beveled oval with the letter's php in it.

This is where all the developers who can't design go "its not about design, its about functionality blah blah". Well this post was about marketability and this GPL logo fails grandly at that. While I can't stand the zealot linux and mac communities who defend their "team" for no real reason other than to feel like they belong to something, at least apple can market their stuff.

What was that? Have you actually seen a gnome or KDE desktop lately? Or the ubuntu logo? Or the...? No? Didn't think so.

I guess because the FSF and PHP have crappy logo's it means the OSS don't have designers, right?

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Dharma Punk — Sat, 07 Jul 2007 04:23:39 GMT

The Logo wrote:

Actually, the problem with the logo is that it uses a swoosh similar to the Nike logo. There was a time about 10 years ago when it seemed every logo used that very swoosh and it got old very quick.

I actually think the PHP logo is nice as is the Gentoo Linux logo and the Enlightenment logo.

Just wish the stock installs of Linux distros had a little more graphic punch to them.

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k2t0f12d — Sat, 07 Jul 2007 04:58:34 GMT

Dharma Punk wrote:

Actually, the problem with the logo is that it uses a swoosh similar to the Nike logo.

You're right. It does look like a sneaker logo. The "v3" swoosh after "GPL", I opine, is following the precedent of the Emacs logo art, rather then trying to be anything new. I personally like the Debian swirl, as far as free software logos go.

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Jigar Mehta — Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:27:27 GMT

He he he.. OP must be funny..

Go get some life, you looser..!! Forget about Microsoft and OS2, prepare for your own food.

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k2t0f12d — Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:30:50 GMT

jigarmehtamscit wrote:

He he he.. OP must be funny..

Go get some life, you looser..!! Forget about Microsoft and OS2, prepare for your own food.

Run from the pears that orbit distant applesauce. Green fleas dine in restaurant disease smelling mermaids.

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corona_coder — Sun, 08 Jul 2007 07:40:51 GMT

More evidence is rolling in, the Linux desktop has arrived for developers. Like I said, 2009 Windows will just be a bad memory. We are taking their developers and are taking windows marketshare. The fact Vista was such a failure has also helped a lot. If Vista had been worth anything, things probably would be different. Microsofts time has come and gone. The future is free.

As more and more people are seeing, for best results use Linux.

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YearOfTheLinuxDesktop — Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:28:43 GMT

corona_coder wrote:

More evidence is rolling in, the Linux desktop has arrived for developers. Like I said, 2009 Windows will just be a bad memory. We are taking their developers and are taking windows marketshare. The fact Vista was such a failure has also helped a lot. If Vista had been worth anything, things probably would be different. Microsofts time has come and gone. The future is free.

As more and more people are seeing, for best results use Linux.

too bad web stats show linux not gaining marketshare and also news show linux servers losing marketshare and linux sales being lower than expected

did I also mention vista selling more than the global linux marketshare only in its first sales month? continue dreaming

did you also read your article? it clearly states that the increase in linux development is due to online applications: developers are moving to linux server apps development, not to linux desktop apps developmentso this has nothing to do with desktop linux.

However, since MS is eating all of the Apache marketshare month after month don't expect this trend to last forever [6][6][6][6], it's going to reverse in a year or so. Or do you think that online apps developers will still target linux servers when Windows Server will soon be the dominant platform?

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Alexei Pavlov — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:41:35 GMT

Is open source running out of ideas?

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blowdart — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:52:10 GMT

BlackTiger wrote:

Is open source running out of ideas?

What a truely awful article. Misleading headline; bad graphs. It talks about venture capital without really a nod to open source at all, nor a comparision with closed source ventures which would be necessary to make a useful conclusion.

Plus, lets be honest, most of these ventures just *use* open source, they aren't open source themselves.

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Massif — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:24:34 GMT

[quote user="k2t0f12d"] quote]

I want to know two things:

1 - since when did Emacs have (or need) a logo?
2 - What on earth is it? If I stare really hard I think it looks like a goat.

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blowdart — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:26:37 GMT

Massif wrote:

[quote user="k2t0f12d"] quote]

I want to know two things:

1 - since when did Emacs have (or need) a logo?
2 - What on earth is it? If I stare really hard I think it looks like a goat.

It's a unicorn to me. Because of Emac's mythical "better than Vi" status perhaps?