Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding! http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding! http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Sat, 25 May 2013 19:15:34 GMT Sat, 25 May 2013 19:15:34 GMT Rev9 17 -17 -1 Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding! One of the most annoying things in Vista is that once you change your system sounds, applications will play the default sound (typically "Windows Ding.wav") every time you select an item in a listview control. Frankly, this was driving me to distraction and so I spent some time digging around and thought I would share here, in case anyone else was annoyed. My apoligies if this has already been posted elsewhere.

It turns out, it looks there's a bug in the Control Panel applet where you set your sound preferences. Even if you have the "Select" sound set to nothing, it's creating an entry (what is probably a null string) in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect\.Current.

Because it's not actually a sound file, it reverts to the default sound. And, because the folks at Microsoft apparently want to make this as annoying as possible, if you disable the default sound, then it decides to do you the "favor" of beeping using your system speaker. Everyone on the Vista team should be forced to wear headphones and listen to an endless loop of "Windows Ding.wav" until a fix is published for this. I'm just saying.

In the meantime, here's a temporary fix in the form of a registry file. Note that you'll need to run this after every time you change your system sounds through the control panel, or the Ding from Hell™ will return:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect]
@=""

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect\.current]
@=""

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect\.Default]
@=""

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect\.Modified]
@=""

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/256901#256901 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:28:03 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/256901#256901 mstefan 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/mstefan/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding! Thank you, thank you, thank you.  It was soooo frustrating using WS_FTP and it ding'ing every time I selected a folder or file!

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/31fe91becaf54f33bd7d9dec009d6998#31fe91becaf54f33bd7d9dec009d6998 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:03:16 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/31fe91becaf54f33bd7d9dec009d6998#31fe91becaf54f33bd7d9dec009d6998 Rich2k 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Rich2k/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
Rich2k wrote:
Thank you, thank you, thank you.  It was soooo frustrating using WS_FTP and it ding'ing every time I selected a folder or file!


That was one of my motivations for fixing this. I had just upgraded to the latest version of WS_FTP which is now supported on Vista. As soon as you change the default sounds (I can't believe they still use that bizzare sound scheme of train whistles and "uhoh!" noises) this started manifesting itself. The same with some other applications that I use.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/eb10c160db1d499a81a99dec009d69c1#eb10c160db1d499a81a99dec009d69c1 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:56:37 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/eb10c160db1d499a81a99dec009d69c1#eb10c160db1d499a81a99dec009d69c1 mstefan 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/mstefan/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
mstefan wrote:
 

(I can't believe they still use that bizzare sound scheme of train whistles and "uhoh!" noises)


Is it just me, or did they completely rip that off from ICQ? I was uh-ohing and train whistling with ICQ back in 1997, when nobody even heard of WS_FTP. Or are these public domain sounds, or something?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/8baf1efb3529462bb8039dec009d69ea#8baf1efb3529462bb8039dec009d69ea Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:22:27 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/8baf1efb3529462bb8039dec009d69ea#8baf1efb3529462bb8039dec009d69ea Bas 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Bas/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
Bas wrote:
Is it just me, or did they completely rip that off from ICQ? I was uh-ohing and train whistling with ICQ back in 1997, when nobody even heard of WS_FTP. Or are these public domain sounds, or something?


You're right, it's the same sounds. As to whether they "borrowed" them from ICQ, I can't say. If I had to hazard a guess, developers from both groups probably found them in the public domain.

I've already sent them feedback asking that they just use the standard Windows sounds available on the platform that they install on. What they're using sounds really harsh, particularly with Vista's mellow sound scheme.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/763117799b13443f97809dec009d6a14#763117799b13443f97809dec009d6a14 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:57:50 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/763117799b13443f97809dec009d6a14#763117799b13443f97809dec009d6a14 mstefan 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/mstefan/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
Bas wrote:

Is it just me, or did they completely rip that off from ICQ? I was uh-ohing and train whistling with ICQ back in 1997, when nobody even heard of WS_FTP. Or are these public domain sounds, or something?


Unless they've changed them, the uh-oh sound was illegally lifted from PC Lemmings....

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/ed3389c6f13242e589ca9dec009d6a3c#ed3389c6f13242e589ca9dec009d6a3c Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:20:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/ed3389c6f13242e589ca9dec009d6a3c#ed3389c6f13242e589ca9dec009d6a3c AndyC 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/AndyC/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding! I have the same problem with my Windows Vista Business, I use the lines you show in this site to add to the Windows Registry and all come back to the normality.

 

Thanks

 

Para ver esta solución traducida en español: http://www.vivamultimedia.com.gt/Wordpress/?p=34

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/0dc368cd2c254d4195a09dec009d6a7f#0dc368cd2c254d4195a09dec009d6a7f Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:42:13 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/0dc368cd2c254d4195a09dec009d6a7f#0dc368cd2c254d4195a09dec009d6a7f Rony Guevara 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/roniux/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding! Funny Smiley.  That's actually a bug in the v5 common controls.  If your app is manifested to use the v6 common controls it won't happen.

 

The problem is that a bug fix made during Windows XP wasn't included in Win2K3.  The Win2K3 code was used to create Windows Vista and when the teams merged the Windows XP bug fixes into Win2K3, they missed this bug fix. 

 

I found it early in the Win7 timeframe because someone reported that their windows forms app was misbehaving after they'd set the common control select sound to a value then removed the value.

 

Needless to say, it's fixed in Win7.

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/07065c51494946919a3e9dec009d6ac3#07065c51494946919a3e9dec009d6ac3 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:09:48 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/07065c51494946919a3e9dec009d6ac3#07065c51494946919a3e9dec009d6ac3 Larry Osterman 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Larry Osterman/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
Larry Osterman said:

Funny Smiley.  That's actually a bug in the v5 common controls.  If your app is manifested to use the v6 common controls it won't happen.

 

The problem is that a bug fix made during Windows XP wasn't included in Win2K3.  The Win2K3 code was used to create Windows Vista and when the teams merged the Windows XP bug fixes into Win2K3, they missed this bug fix. 

 

I found it early in the Win7 timeframe because someone reported that their windows forms app was misbehaving after they'd set the common control select sound to a value then removed the value.

 

Needless to say, it's fixed in Win7.

 

"Needless to say" ? Given that Microsoft hardly ever fix bugs like this I'd say it would be more accurate to say "Amazingly, it's fixed in Win7".

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/39298eb56ac848678c3f9dec009d6b09#39298eb56ac848678c3f9dec009d6b09 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:20:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/39298eb56ac848678c3f9dec009d6b09#39298eb56ac848678c3f9dec009d6b09 Jonathan Potter 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/jon_potter/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
jon_potter said:
Larry Osterman said:
*snip*

"Needless to say" ? Given that Microsoft hardly ever fix bugs like this I'd say it would be more accurate to say "Amazingly, it's fixed in Win7".

 

"Will not fix - Existed previously"

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/b0ab27c93fab477085a69dec009d6b31#b0ab27c93fab477085a69dec009d6b31 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:44:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/b0ab27c93fab477085a69dec009d6b31#b0ab27c93fab477085a69dec009d6b31 tsilb 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/SlackmasterK/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
mstefan said:
Rich2k wrote:
Thank you, thank you, thank you.  It was soooo frustrating using WS_FTP and it ding'ing every time I selected a folder or file!


That was one of my motivations for fixing this. I had just upgraded to the latest version of WS_FTP which is now supported on Vista. As soon as you change the default sounds (I can't believe they still use that bizzare sound scheme of train whistles and "uhoh!" noises) this started manifesting itself. The same with some other applications that I use.
I had just upgraded to the latest version of WS_FTP which is now supported on Vista.

That's odd. I have version 9 of WS_FTP which was released in 2004 and it runs just fine on Vista and Windows 7.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/0cb77926e00842c291b39dec009d6b5b#0cb77926e00842c291b39dec009d6b5b Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:58:38 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/0cb77926e00842c291b39dec009d6b5b#0cb77926e00842c291b39dec009d6b5b Heywood_J 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Heywood_J/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
jon_potter said:
Larry Osterman said:
*snip*

"Needless to say" ? Given that Microsoft hardly ever fix bugs like this I'd say it would be more accurate to say "Amazingly, it's fixed in Win7".

 

That's not true at all.  We actually spend a LOT of time working on F&F bugs like this one, especially when it's annoying.

 

The tricky part is finding them (seriously).  I was fortunate that someone had a reliable reproduction that I could debug - often it's very hard to figure this stuff out.

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/c6d392ddf1254cda83cb9dec009d6b86#c6d392ddf1254cda83cb9dec009d6b86 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:14:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/c6d392ddf1254cda83cb9dec009d6b86#c6d392ddf1254cda83cb9dec009d6b86 Larry Osterman 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Larry Osterman/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
Larry Osterman said:
jon_potter said:
*snip*

That's not true at all.  We actually spend a LOT of time working on F&F bugs like this one, especially when it's annoying.

 

The tricky part is finding them (seriously).  I was fortunate that someone had a reliable reproduction that I could debug - often it's very hard to figure this stuff out.

 

I think people overestimate how easy it is to reproduce certain bugs. I once had a bug in Visual Studio related to floating tool windows across multiple monitors. DevDiv couldn't repro it at all, and they didn't have any other bug reports. Finally they found somebody on the Windows team who was having the same problem.

 

There's still a bug related to tool windows that I've been getting in VS2005, 2008, and now 2010, but It seems that there's no reliable way to repro it. It seems that there are a lot of bugs that defy concentrated dubugging and just sit around waiting for an "Aha!" moment. I know I've had that happen in my own code.

 

BTW: Larry, I really like your blog, and how you describe the way you work through some of these bugs that come across your desk. It's cool to get inside the thought processes involved.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/8473b7962f7345c296c79dec009d6bb1#8473b7962f7345c296c79dec009d6bb1 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:31:48 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/8473b7962f7345c296c79dec009d6bb1#8473b7962f7345c296c79dec009d6bb1 kettch 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/kettch/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
Larry Osterman said:
jon_potter said:
*snip*

That's not true at all.  We actually spend a LOT of time working on F&F bugs like this one, especially when it's annoying.

 

The tricky part is finding them (seriously).  I was fortunate that someone had a reliable reproduction that I could debug - often it's very hard to figure this stuff out.

 

double post

 

weird it says they were both posted at the same time, but the second one didn't show up for me until much later.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/928ef58e6bc64725bc979dec009d6bda#928ef58e6bc64725bc979dec009d6bda Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:44:04 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/928ef58e6bc64725bc979dec009d6bda#928ef58e6bc64725bc979dec009d6bda kettch 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/kettch/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding! Hi--not sure how to apply your solution? What are the steps to do this registry change???

thanks--sorry, not too technical, I opened regedit and went to key but not sure what to do from there.

 

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/bcd9f216d22441139a9c9dec009d6c1d#bcd9f216d22441139a9c9dec009d6c1d Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:24:13 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/bcd9f216d22441139a9c9dec009d6c1d#bcd9f216d22441139a9c9dec009d6c1d GAILMAIL 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/GAILMAIL/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
GAILMAIL said:

Hi--not sure how to apply your solution? What are the steps to do this registry change???

thanks--sorry, not too technical, I opened regedit and went to key but not sure what to do from there.

 

 

  1. On your desktop, create a new text file called "stopTheDing.reg" (make sure you can see file extensions).
  2. Right click it and choose Edit, so you get a blank document open in Notepad.
  3. Copy the bold text below:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect]
@=""

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect\.current]
@=""

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect\.Default]
@=""

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents\Schemes\Apps\.Default\CCSelect\.Modified]
@=""

 

  1. Paste it into the Notepad document so "Windows Registry Edi..." is on the top line
  2. Save the file and close notepad
  3. Double-click the reg file and confirm you want to apply it
  4. Voila

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/ddea6d0e7d27417586cd9dec009d6c4b#ddea6d0e7d27417586cd9dec009d6c4b Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:27:40 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/ddea6d0e7d27417586cd9dec009d6c4b#ddea6d0e7d27417586cd9dec009d6c4b W3bbo 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/W3bbo/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Stop the Ding!
kettch said:
Larry Osterman said:
*snip*

I think people overestimate how easy it is to reproduce certain bugs. I once had a bug in Visual Studio related to floating tool windows across multiple monitors. DevDiv couldn't repro it at all, and they didn't have any other bug reports. Finally they found somebody on the Windows team who was having the same problem.

 

There's still a bug related to tool windows that I've been getting in VS2005, 2008, and now 2010, but It seems that there's no reliable way to repro it. It seems that there are a lot of bugs that defy concentrated dubugging and just sit around waiting for an "Aha!" moment. I know I've had that happen in my own code.

 

BTW: Larry, I really like your blog, and how you describe the way you work through some of these bugs that come across your desk. It's cool to get inside the thought processes involved.

I'm having problems with VS2005 for the first time and this is my first time using dual monitors with VS2005, I normally use a wide screen monitor...

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/12caed4c6ec54000aef89dec009d6c91#12caed4c6ec54000aef89dec009d6c91 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:24:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/256901-Stop-the-Ding/12caed4c6ec54000aef89dec009d6c91#12caed4c6ec54000aef89dec009d6c91 CoryD 17 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/CoryD/Discussions/RSS