jamie wrote:

cell phones and stuff

jamie wrote:

you need degrees for that.. and cell phones and stuff

edit: if the job was to love ms, the coffeehouse and its members

...id ..try out

Bas wrote:

*crosses fingers*

scotthanselmanscotthanselmanscotthanselman...

jsampsonPC wrote:

If I hadn't JUST started this job, I would definitely apply

Dr Herbie wrote:

Technical expertise would be nice

blowdart wrote:



Dr Herbie wrote: Technical expertise would be nice

Only "nice"? I'll apply then

jamie wrote:

who?

*must love coffeehouse

figuerres wrote:



jamie wrote: who? *must love coffeehouse

  

I guess I missed someting ??  is Rory taking a new job ??

Dr Herbie wrote:



How's your hair?

Massif wrote:

I lack the ability to waffle on about technology

I now have his blog as a homepage - cause it's just that good.

Love the blog, hope the books gonna be good.

Massif wrote:

Also, I have cool T-shirts, i know this becase at least two (2) different (not the same) people have said so. (Using the words "cool T-shirt!")

eagle wrote:

Why has Lenn been forgotten?

fdisk wrote:



eagle wrote: Why has Lenn been forgotten?

Who's that?

eagle wrote:

Why has Lenn been forgotten?

eagle wrote:

Lenn was not mentioned in this thread till I asked why has he been forgoten.

jamie wrote:



..the next scoble or rory is not me..

i like what i do at c9 already.. bug them

last time i checked there were no jobs in bugging people


plus theyd need a spell checker in IE  so right off the bat im out haha

edit - I vote for Long!

Rossj wrote:



Are you going to apply for the position Paul?

Zeo wrote:

As a FTE now

Dr Herbie wrote:



fdisk wrote:  eagle wrote: Why has Lenn been forgotten? Who's that?

Dunno, I forgot.

Herbie

raymond wrote:



Dr Herbie wrote:  fdisk wrote:  eagle wrote: Why has Lenn been forgotten? Who's that? Dunno, I forgot. Herbie

Revisionism. 

Give it another year and the question will be, who was Scoble?

Happens everywhere.

What have you done for me today?

jason818_253.33 wrote:



raymond wrote:  Dr Herbie wrote:  fdisk wrote:  eagle wrote: Why has Lenn been forgotten? Who's that? Dunno, I forgot. Herbie Revisionism.  Give it another year and the question will be, who was Scoble? Happens everywhere. What have you done for me today?

that is if this was a popularity contest. people have lives to live. Their own things to do.

Wish you the best Rory!

Zeo wrote:

Channel 9 is a great place. And niner's really add to the community.

As a FTE now, I'd hope we'd look at niner's who'd be interested in working at Microsoft and specifically for DPE.

Zeo wrote:

Developer Platform Evangelism

Rossj wrote:



Zeo wrote: Developer Platform Evangelism

Bleurgh. Sorry no offense, but isn't that another name for Marketing?

W3bbo wrote:



Rossj wrote:  Zeo wrote: Developer Platform Evangelism Bleurgh. Sorry no offense, but isn't that another name for Marketing?

Whilst it can be argued that being a DPE has a positive role for the company, it really doesn't do anything for the advancement of society, computational science, or any of the spin-off areas.

By (aggressivly) promoting the company, isn't it to the detriment of third-party solutions which might be technologically superior, but lost out because Microsoft can afford to put you in that position?

Kinda sickens me, Zeo... head to your boss and ask for a transfer to something interesting, or at least something useful, like... Office Excel.

Massif wrote:

Dammit! I've got cool hair, although I've not heard of this "technical expertise" which you refer to. Is this something you get on the Mac?

Also, I have cool T-shirts, i know this becase at least two (2) different (not the same) people have said so. (Using the words "cool T-shirt!")

I lack the ability to waffle on about technology that I don't understand intimately though.

I think I bought the coolest t-shirt ever a few weeks ago.

And with that I hereby officially apply for the job.

I hope someone filmed an exit interview.

I enjoy your blog writing, if whatever else you write is as amusing i'll buy it, good luck Rory!

W3bbo wrote:



Rossj wrote:  Zeo wrote: Developer Platform Evangelism Bleurgh. Sorry no offense, but isn't that another name for Marketing?

Whilst it can be argued that being a DPE has a positive role for the company, it really doesn't do anything for the advancement of society, computational science, or any of the spin-off areas.

W3bbo wrote:

By (aggressivly) promoting the company, isn't it to the detriment of third-party solutions which might be technologically superior, but lost out because Microsoft can afford to put you in that position?

W3bbo wrote:

Kinda sickens me, Zeo...

Rory wrote:

If a smaller company does something great, there's no reason it can't challenge the bigger player. Besides, people love all that David and Goliath stuff.

But Goliath is always there. Regardless of the industry, there is always a big guy that some people want to topple.

The way you topple Goliath is by outsmarting him. Microsoft is big, but it moves slowly. If you've got something better to offer, then give it.

fdisk wrote:



Rory wrote: If a smaller company does something great, there's no reason it can't challenge the bigger player. Besides, people love all that David and Goliath stuff. But Goliath is always there. Regardless of the industry, there is always a big guy that some people want to topple. The way you topple Goliath is by outsmarting him. Microsoft is big, but it moves slowly. If you've got something better to offer, then give it.

Yeah, but in this case Goliath then goes and offers to buy out such products instead of inventing his own

fdisk wrote:

or tries to push them into extinction if that fails.

fdisk wrote:

If that fails, too, he sends out mini-Goliaths (SCO) which don't always fair so well either.

Rory wrote:



W3bbo wrote:  Rossj wrote:  Zeo wrote: Developer Platform Evangelism Bleurgh. Sorry no offense, but isn't that another name for Marketing? Whilst it can be argued that being a DPE has a positive role for the company, it really doesn't do anything for the advancement of society, computational science, or any of the spin-off areas.

The way you've described it, DPE is doing exactly what it's supposed to. DPE has nothing to do with "the advancement of society," nor should it.

If there's a perception here (and I'm making an assumption about your stance) that DPE should be picking up more litter or teaching the children to sing - or that it shouldn't exist at all because it doesn't contribute back to civilization - then any negative fallout of that perception is due to an expectation set against irrelevant criteria.

Rory wrote:

Might as well put a dog to sleep because it won't play Wii with you.

Rory wrote:



W3bbo wrote: By (aggressivly) promoting the company, isn't it to the detriment of third-party solutions which might be technologically superior, but lost out because Microsoft can afford to put you in that position?

Why do geeks always make Microsoft the focal point of inequality of power in the universe?

Rory wrote:

What does it even mean to say that "[smaller companies] lost out because Microsoft can afford to put [them] in that position"? How do you afford to put someone in the position of sucking?

Rory wrote:

In the states, our utilities have traditionally run as what are basically legal monopolies. One company provides your landline, one company provides your gas, one company provides your energy, etc... It's not like that across the board, but it's close enough.

Rory wrote:

If a smaller company does something great, there's no reason it can't challenge the bigger player. Besides, people love all that David and Goliath stuff.

Rory wrote:

But Goliath is always there. Regardless of the industry, there is always a big guy that some people want to topple.

The way you topple Goliath is by outsmarting him. Microsoft is big, but it moves slowly. If you've got something better to offer, then give it.

Rory wrote:

W3bbo wrote: Kinda sickens me, Zeo...

Zeo - you are offically syrup of ipecac to W3bbo.

Use your power wisely

Two vomits are walking down the street. All of a sudden one begins to cry.

What’s wrong asks the other. Oh nothing... it's just that this is where l was brought up.

fdisk wrote:

Sorry folks, but I'm sure the voting on this one is already closed. They always hire internally for the Channel 9 team.



Edit: I wouldn't be shocked if someone on the janitorial staff got hired before an outside candidate.

W3bbo wrote:



Rory wrote:  W3bbo wrote:  Whilst it can be argued that being a DPE has a positive role for the company, it really doesn't do anything for the advancement of society, computational science, or any of the spin-off areas. The way you've described it, DPE is doing exactly what it's supposed to. DPE has nothing to do with "the advancement of society," nor should it. If there's a perception here (and I'm making an assumption about your stance) that DPE should be picking up more litter or teaching the children to sing - or that it shouldn't exist at all because it doesn't contribute back to civilization - then any negative fallout of that perception is due to an expectation set against irrelevant criteria.

But anything can be judged against the criteria "considering the overall grand scheme of things, what's the point?", being a SE or Researcher grades higher than a (perceived) glorified marketing position.

W3bbo wrote:



Rory wrote: Might as well put a dog to sleep because it won't play Wii with you.

A better analogy would be putting a dog to sleep because all it could do was play Wii (what? No XBox? ) and provide very little other value to its master or its environment.

W3bbo wrote:

 Microsoft is a convicted monopolist; being a publically traded company means its priorities are to its shareholders rather than its consumers. It's not because Microsoft is Microsoft, but because of the way Microsoft operates.

W3bbo wrote:

 The same can be said for all the major corporations: Oracle, IBM, even Google all have some number of undesirable aspects (just some have more than others; I've noticed it's a function of how long they've been around for the youthful ideology of the founders to wither away and die).

W3bbo wrote:

 Imagine the year is mid-2006. Firefox and Opera currently top IE6 in every comparison matrix out there. For this exercise, the important bits are compliance with W3C Recommendations, general usability, and higher independent security rankings.

Hypothetically speaking, imagine Microsoft has a team of "IE Evangelists" which scour web development forums (for devs) and business forums (for PHBs). They manage to convince a significant number of PHBs and less experienced devs to use IE-only technologies because of some esoteric feature that really doesn't matter: i.e. through pure marketing gimmick. For argument, let's say "Easier to develop with Visual Studio" (as many of us know, IE-only sites are a common side-effect of relying too heavily on the default behaviour of VS, especially VS2003).

In this case, the superior product being touted by the smaller company (or fragmented, independent organisations) has lost out because the bigger company could afford to hire people to hype their technologically inferior product out to easily impressionable people. QED.

W3bbo wrote:

It's happening right now. Head over to Slashdot (or even a fairly balanced FOSS/IT News site) sometime with AdBlock disabled and you'll be bombarded with misleading (or FUD) advertisements about Windows Server System. I'm not saying it's a bad system (not at all, personally I love it), but Microsoft is clearly advertising to PHBs who don't know any better. And who is the PHB going to listen to? The "open-source nutjob in IT" or the "smartly dressed, well presented Microsoft salesman"?

W3bbo wrote:

 Netscape was a small company that did something great. It challenged the bigger player. The bigger player abused their monopoly and forced them out of business.

W3bbo wrote:

 Painful lessons to learn: "you can't beat goliath".

W3bbo wrote:

 But it's capitalism, not technocracy. You outsmart with business sense, not technical sense, which is the problem I'm addressing here.

W3bbo wrote:

 Oh yeah, my vomits are so powerful they're sentient.

W3bbo wrote:



Rory wrote:  W3bbo wrote:  Whilst it can be argued that being a DPE has a positive role for the company, it really doesn't do anything for the advancement of society, computational science, or any of the spin-off areas. The way you've described it, DPE is doing exactly what it's supposed to. DPE has nothing to do with "the advancement of society," nor should it. If there's a perception here (and I'm making an assumption about your stance) that DPE should be picking up more litter or teaching the children to sing - or that it shouldn't exist at all because it doesn't contribute back to civilization - then any negative fallout of that perception is due to an expectation set against irrelevant criteria.

But anything can be judged against the criteria "considering the overall grand scheme of things, what's the point?", being a SE or Researcher grades higher than a (perceived) glorified marketing position.

W3bbo wrote:



Rory wrote: Might as well put a dog to sleep because it won't play Wii with you.

A better analogy would be putting a dog to sleep because all it could do was play Wii (what? No XBox? ) and provide very little other value to its master or its environment.

W3bbo wrote:

 Microsoft is a convicted monopolist; being a publically traded company means its priorities are to its shareholders rather than its consumers. It's not because Microsoft is Microsoft, but because of the way Microsoft operates.

W3bbo wrote:

 The same can be said for all the major corporations: Oracle, IBM, even Google all have some number of undesirable aspects (just some have more than others; I've noticed it's a function of how long they've been around for the youthful ideology of the founders to wither away and die).

W3bbo wrote:

 Imagine the year is mid-2006. Firefox and Opera currently top IE6 in every comparison matrix out there. For this exercise, the important bits are compliance with W3C Recommendations, general usability, and higher independent security rankings.

Hypothetically speaking, imagine Microsoft has a team of "IE Evangelists" which scour web development forums (for devs) and business forums (for PHBs). They manage to convince a significant number of PHBs and less experienced devs to use IE-only technologies because of some esoteric feature that really doesn't matter: i.e. through pure marketing gimmick. For argument, let's say "Easier to develop with Visual Studio" (as many of us know, IE-only sites are a common side-effect of relying too heavily on the default behaviour of VS, especially VS2003).

In this case, the superior product being touted by the smaller company (or fragmented, independent organisations) has lost out because the bigger company could afford to hire people to hype their technologically inferior product out to easily impressionable people. QED.

W3bbo wrote:

It's happening right now. Head over to Slashdot (or even a fairly balanced FOSS/IT News site) sometime with AdBlock disabled and you'll be bombarded with misleading (or FUD) advertisements about Windows Server System. I'm not saying it's a bad system (not at all, personally I love it), but Microsoft is clearly advertising to PHBs who don't know any better. And who is the PHB going to listen to? The "open-source nutjob in IT" or the "smartly dressed, well presented Microsoft salesman"?

W3bbo wrote:

 Netscape was a small company that did something great. It challenged the bigger player. The bigger player abused their monopoly and forced them out of business.

W3bbo wrote:

 Painful lessons to learn: "you can't beat goliath".

W3bbo wrote:

 But it's capitalism, not technocracy. You outsmart with business sense, not technical sense, which is the problem I'm addressing here.

W3bbo wrote:

 Oh yeah, my vomits are so powerful they're sentient.

Rossj wrote:



Zeo wrote: Developer Platform Evangelism

Bleurgh. Sorry no offense, but isn't that another name for Marketing?

W3bbo wrote:




Netscape was a small company that did something great. It challenged the bigger player. The bigger player abused their monopoly and forced them out of business.

fdisk wrote:

Sorry folks, but I'm sure the voting on this one is already closed. They always hire internally for the Channel 9 team.

blowdart wrote:



Massif wrote: Also, I have cool T-shirts, i know this becase at least two (2) different (not the same) people have said so. (Using the words "cool T-shirt!")

Mum and Dad aren't suitable references.

DarthVista wrote:

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PaoloM wrote:



DarthVista wrote: .

And just like Beer28, we have the post deletes...

Charming (not)

Cornelius Ellsonpeter wrote:



PaoloM wrote:  DarthVista wrote: . And just like Beer28, we have the post deletes... Charming (not)

Mr. Sampson has done this, too, fwiw. Nobody yells at him about that.

irascian wrote:

W3bbo, W3bbo, W3bbo, why do you always have to see things in such black and white terms. Sometimes your posts are so naive I want to smack you around the head and say "Get out there in the real world".

To pick up on just one of your points....

W3bbo wrote:  Netscape was a small company that did something great. It challenged the bigger player. The bigger player abused their monopoly and forced them out of business.

I was using a browser before Netscape came to dominate the market. People accuse Microsoft of being arrogant but Netscape were far worse in the days when you ordered it and it came on a set of floppy discs. Discs wouldn't arrive and there'd be nobody to complain to. Want your money back? No way, Jose! Or if you did manage to find the magic contact they'd act like it was all your fault. There were times when their browser was so buggy you'd get three releases in a fortnight. Great news if you're doing development and diferrent members of your QA team have downloaded on different days and rightly saying "but other people may have done the same. You have to support all three point versions, hideous bugs and all in your sophisticated web front-end".

Netscape were a frigging nightmare as far as I was concerned. "Great" they certainly were not.

IE may be worse in some ways, maybe even many ways, but please let's not rewrite history about how wonderful Netscape was just so we can stick to dogmatic points about Microsoft being evil or marketing always being bad.

ScanIAm wrote:



I'd also like to point out that while Netscape pwnd the browser 'market', their management lived like kings on Venture Capital monies, threw lavish parties and spent an awful lot of time acting like dicks.