What kind of methods are you using for developing
Longhorn?
Agile methods? I hope not!
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iStation
Fuujin
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Why do you "hope not"?
I'm sure in some areas of Longhorn they would (at the very least!). -
thebeings
nephews rock!
My Comments are in black
Principles of Agile Software Development :
Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer
through early and continuous delivery
of valuable software.
Isn't this our ultimate goal?Welcome changing requirements, even late in
development. Agile processes harness change for
the customer's competitive advantage.Change is something we have to deal with - isnt best to except as early as possible?
Deliver working software frequently, from a
couple of weeks to a couple of months, with a
preference to the shorter timescale.
Business people and developers must work
together daily throughout the project.Totally agree! After all - the are the ones planning for its success in the market place and know the customer better (at least at first) than we do (developers)
Build projects around motivated individuals.
Give them the environment and support they need,
and trust them to get the job done.Agree and disagree - motivated individuals are key - but sometimes you have to spread it out amongts several just in case things happen (i.e. leave, vaction, sick, fired etc etc)
The most efficient and effective method of
conveying information to and within a development
team is face-to-face conversation.Totally agree! Too many things can be misinterpreted via email or messenger. Its far simpler to communicate face to face with spoken words and preferably some white boards
Working software is the primary measure of progress.Working software true.. But should we also think about if its actually selling as well. What good is a perfectly working piece of software if its just sitting on the shelf.
Agile processes promote sustainable development.
The sponsors, developers, and users should be able
to maintain a constant pace indefinitely.
Continuous attention to technical excellence
and good design enhances agility.Simplicity--the art of maximizing the amount
of work not done--is essential.Simplest solution is often the best
The best architectures, requirements, and designs
emerge from self-organizing teams.Hrmm - I've had experience with "Self organizing" and it isnt always the best. With the right team and skill set it works well but thats not always the case.
At regular intervals, the team reflects on how
to become more effective, then tunes and adjusts
its behavior accordingly.
Essential - otherwise the same problems surface over and over in later projects.
for more info check out > http://agilemanifesto.org/
bleh - ok im done just thought id add my two cents
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iStation
Fuujin
will wrote:Why do you "hope not"?
I'm sure in some areas of Longhorn they would (at the very least!).
Correctly, I hope not only Agile methods.
To provide the best environment for the best programmers in Longhorn Project, I hope some other methods should also be used!
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Various Microsoft devs have blogged about doing Test-Driven Development. Chris Flaat tells us that MSBuild is doing Scrum - Chris is the team's ScrumMaster.
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MisterDonut
The Disco Godfather
I never thought Longhorns were every really that agile..
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Jeremy W
that blogging guy
Depends how hard, and where, you kick them.
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iStation
Fuujin
Moo!
That'll be a hazard, instead.
We may need some Impact Analysis.
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Some groups are, some groups aren't. Depends on the group and the circumstances.
I know some people who are trying paired programming, I know others who are trying TDD, it depends. Personally, I'm not aware of anyone who'se doing the eXtreme Programming thing 100%, but I don't know everyone.
IMHO, some aspects of eXtreme Programming are silly, some are worthwhile (as is true with most things).
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Charles
Welcome Change
We've found (Bryn and I, that is) eXtreme programming to be eXtremely useful when confronted with a really complex programming problem. It's worked every time...
Charles -
iStation
Fuujin
Diagram, Diagram, Diagram!
(I don't mean UML)
Diagrams help me a lot before coding!
I think diagram should be the center of rapid software development. That is the only good comunication tool for software development.
Are you using any special modeling diagram in MS? UML?
P.S.
Visio helps me a lot for drawing diagrams.
Not UML. My special one derived from TP in TOC (Theory of Constraint)
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Whiteboards help me
None of this visio stuff.
I couldn't function without my whiteboard and my quadrile ruled pad. -
object88
amplify.
My whiteboard has been indespensible in terms of keeping track of my extreme programming tasks.
And NUnit / NMock have been indespensible in terms of testing. I can re-test 80% of my code in under 2 minutes, including all those odd-ball special test
cases that a human is bound to forget.
Agile programming isn't the end-all / be-all, but it's been really helpful on my current project. -
iStation
Fuujin
Hi!
Whiteboard may be a must-have.
Is your whiteboard is printable?
I use Visio as a printable whiteboard, especially to PDF for circulation and documentation. I can change the scale from micro-view to macro-view (or bird's view).
I love it!
NUnit looks powerful for the change of software implementation. I'll try this tool for Software Testing.
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