There's no proof of what happened on either side, but that isn't the point (and you know it).
I didn't say there was proof. I said that it was given under oath in court (under penalty of purgery) and I also mentioned that he allegedly said ...
It's like calling MSFT 'tha borg'. It just isn't terribly clever or funny anymore.
If I say that you said Microsoft are "teh borg" on Tuesday at 8, then I might merely be a liar.
If I say in court that you said Microsoft are "teh borg", and you show the court that on Tuesday at 8 you were, in fact, not saying Microsoft were "teh borg" because you were live on TV at the time, then I would be a purgorer, and would go to prison for a long long time.
People might lie in court, but they're more careful about it, because the penalties for being caught-out are much stricter.