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me — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:53:05 GMT

www.channel9.ca/win7/win7.htm

or to sort of get the effect... use the PPT (view full screen / slide show mode)

www.channel9.ca/win7/win7.ppt

* all put together within a couple of hours.. so go easy

..anything?

edit: updated the htm link with 3d versions

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mVPstar — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:07:31 GMT

CompGuy101 wrote:
I like simple, but your Windows 7 interpretation is just too simple!

Agreed.

But then, I'm not sure what else you could do for the UI.

I like the "your information is always available" concept for the UI, sort of like what was shown in the last future demos in which Gates previewed the future desktop concept that had a display projected on three panes of glass and this really cool UI.

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me — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:12:59 GMT

you could do it that way - or you click view - just like now you have to click .. um.. orb?

but in this version - it would show - running programs (taskbar) background programs (notification area) and All programs - * also with "Uninstall" link right next to each - combined.

*i know i didnt show this but the first click on view menu is programs

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me — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:17:12 GMT

..plus i liked the tag - above and beyond... you dont look UP at the clouds in win7 - you look down on them

(creates a sence of ..hugeness?)

Google moon etc

i thought it was ok for 3 hours... [A]

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stevo_ — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:20:49 GMT

Uhh, leave it to them I think.. you know Microsoft has had some jip in the past about its design skills but.. yea.. not so easy is it..

If Seven is going in the same direction as XP to Vista did then I'll be happy..

The OS feel to me needs to be clean and like the OS has got things in control.. to me that's serious but not 'sgt major'.

As for some critic, the startup screen resolution is far too high, I wouldn't expect 7 to introduce a high resolution boot option, Vista has yet to really take off on using EFI in the house hold..

The scale of the startup screen is a bit 'teletubbies' and the kerning is extremely loose and the font is pretty ack, (see the W and it's pointy ascenders and descenders)..

The desktop is unreasonable and pointless sparse, the words Exit and View don't really fit what I'm guessing their roles are.. start doesn't really make much sense either.. overall it leaves me a bit confused..

The exit popup is needlessly huge, for some reason tells me AGAIN who I'm logged in as. Also, not sure why the username is in a textbox looking thing, Log out is also very hyperlink looking compared to any other buttons, not sure where there should be an X on there..

The view menu, not sure why the weather details are associated with the users profile (picture and name), because weather would be more related to the computers location.. not sure about system configuration details being listed so close to common operations.. also, as these operations increase, and sizes of resolutions change, it would become increasing difficult to support a horizontally specific window.. Not sure why the copyright is reitterated there..

Flip3D 2.0 looks around about as useless as Flip3D now.. I loved the concept but I've never actually used it, and in Vista I use alt-tab a lot less often anyway.. I think the taskbar navigation is much more obvious most of the time..

Browser is.. erm, somewhat unfinished, users would .. struggle .

Jpeg icon sample is well.. pretty standard, but it shows the extension by default and the font size is a bit on the large side..

I like the idea of a much slim lined photoviewer (see how the zune player shows videos and pictures), the ui should be dockable but maybe appear over the top by default.. but this is arguable, perhaps the preview handler framework in vista could be more utilized like how leopard is, and media previews could open in a slim lined version as just suggested..

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Elmer — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:27:50 GMT

Time for retro... it was all there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windows1.0.png

What more do you need ??

Note: They suggest this is really SP1 ...LOL

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PaoloM — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:27:50 GMT

Keep going jamie, these are good ideas

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Dorian Muthig — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:29:01 GMT

jamie wrote:

i thought it was ok for 3 hours...

It is
I just don't like the inconsistence of light and dark windows (shapes borders, whatever) and the shutdown window (too roundly) is either bad use of bevel and emboss or... weird gradients? Use borders (ordinary 1px gradients from dark to light do great) and shadows/glow. Makes it more 'airy' and would better compose with the clouds.
But it's great so far

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me — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:37:22 GMT

stevo_ wrote:

As for some critic, the startup screen resolution is far too high, I wouldn't expect 7 to introduce a high resolution boot option, Vista has yet to really take off on using EFI in the house hold..

macs have had nice boot screens for years...

The scale of the startup screen is a bit 'teletubbies' and the kerning is extremely loose and the font is pretty ack, (see the W and it's pointy ascenders and descenders)..

ya its too big - pretend thats 640 size

The desktop is unreasonable and pointless sparse,

disagree - its just a bg pic - but with no "bar"

the words Exit and View don't really fit what I'm guessing their roles are.. start doesn't really make much sense either.. overall it leaves me a bit confused..

view = everything search = bypass that exit = ..uh... exit

The exit popup is needlessly huge,

ignore fatness... mainly showing Shutdown/ restart / Sleep

for some reason tells me AGAIN who I'm logged in as.

in vista shutdown menu there are tons of switch / log options. this one treats it like facebook

Also, not sure why the username is in a textbox looking thing,

so you could type - steveo_ / enter - and be logged in instantly

The view menu, not sure why the weather details are associated with the users profile (picture and name), because weather would be more related to the computers location..

it goes by profile info - if your from toronto it defaults to toronto

not sure about system configuration details being listed so close to common operations.. also, as these operations increase, and sizes of resolutions change, it would become increasing difficult to support a horizontally specific window..

perfect world the whole thing would scale (like vista was suppose too)

Flip3D 2.0 looks around about as useless as Flip3D now.. I loved the concept but I've never actually used it, and in Vista I use alt-tab a lot less often anyway.. I think the taskbar navigation is much more obvious most of the time..

at least you can see more at once in a circle

Browser is.. erm, somewhat unfinished, users would .. struggle .

that was not a design - just showing if you typed live.com in search bar - ie opens

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You can't handle my name — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:39:36 GMT

"Above and Beyond" great music

errm as for the rest.. hmm no comment

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stevo_ — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:53:30 GMT

jamie wrote:

stevo_ wrote:

As for some critic, the startup screen resolution is far too high, I wouldn't expect 7 to introduce a high resolution boot option, Vista has yet to really take off on using EFI in the house hold..

macs have had nice boot screens for years...

macs have had critical control of their target hardware for years, windows uses the bios, and it will continue to be the bigger in the PC market for maybe 5 more years

The desktop is unreasonable and pointless sparse,

disagree - its just a bg pic - but with no "bar"

let me explain, windows today has, a task list of applications, a notification area for a user to interact and get feedback from background apps, theres a quick launch bar.. while the quicklaunch bar could go, the task list and notification area won't just disappear in windows

the words Exit and View don't really fit what I'm guessing their roles are.. start doesn't really make much sense either.. overall it leaves me a bit confused..

view = everything search = bypass that exit = ..uh... exit

my point was the wording doesn't make sense.. I don't 'exit' my computer, view doesn't describe me changing a system setting (didn't they dump the word 'start' because it was confusing to say 'start - shutdown')

for some reason tells me AGAIN who I'm logged in as.

in vista shutdown menu there are tons of switch / log options. this one treats it like facebook

never used facebook, not sure what it has to do with the desktop, so I don't see why the reinforcement is there

Also, not sure why the username is in a textbox looking thing,

so you could type - steveo_ / enter - and be logged in instantly

thats highly unlikely given it's highly likely the user would need to supply a password, where do I supply the password?

The view menu, not sure why the weather details are associated with the users profile (picture and name), because weather would be more related to the computers location..

it goes by profile info - if your from toronto it defaults to toronto

well im from x, but I work in y, weather information like that is arguably useless anyway, yea - maybe user a wants their home town weather, maybe user b wants the weather in the town their working, maybe they want it for someone else.. in Vista the weather gadget is seperated away from an OS level ui item, I just think it adds clutter to a panel where its task is to help you find an app, doc or change some settings

not sure about system configuration details being listed so close to common operations.. also, as these operations increase, and sizes of resolutions change, it would become increasing difficult to support a horizontally specific window..

perfect world the whole thing would scale (like vista was suppose too)

scaling doesn't work well for resolution changes, spanning out horizontally is asking for trouble given our writing style goes horizontally, main point however was that the system configuration options don't make sense to be listed there

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DCMonkey — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:00:08 GMT

stevo_ wrote:
perhaps the preview handler framework in vista could be more utilized like how leopard is, and media previews could open in a slim lined version as just suggested..

At the very least, MS should make it as easy as Leopard to show and hide the preview pane (spacebar with Leopard, buried in some menu with Vista).

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:00:54 GMT

..another small branding thingy... the windows flag logo - is beside search (center) - not - left "View".

to me this says: here is windows... notice any shift of focus google?

ps - updated page and ppt to show dark BG = doesnt matter - no bar

(obviously the search box cant go in center of desktop/page like google - but it can go in center of invisible - but there - bar)

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:08:53 GMT

*disclaimer*

i just tried to make these quick mockups of ideas look vaguely like Windows Live = you know consistant

I am not suggesting these designs are to be seen as "real"... or whatever.

* if i were to work on win7 for real - Im sure the desktop alone would take 3 hours (lol)

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stevo_ — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:12:35 GMT

3000 hours maybe

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:25:30 GMT

PaoloM wrote:
Keep going jamie, these are good ideas

thanks..

* i think id better clearly write out the ideas - so everyone doesnt focus on the actual (quick) design

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DCMonkey — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:37:01 GMT

Start menu jokes aside, I don't understand why exit needs to be a top level item, always visible on the desktop.

Is exiting the desktop something users have to do constantly (ie: as often as "viewing" or "searching")? Does it mean "shut down" or just "log out", or something else entirely?

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:44:45 GMT

re - steve - i wanted to call the left and right links - Open and Close... it is Windows after all... but i thought that might be more confusing than View / Exit

edit: thinking about it... i would vote for open / close now though...

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Elmer — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:48:25 GMT

DCMonkey wrote:
Start menu jokes aside, I don't understand why exit needs to be a top level item, always visible on the desktop.

Moreover... there is clearly still a Windows Logo and menu construct (or of sorts) so why not just make the Exit things a pop up from the Logo.... move all that crap to the LHS (to maintain familiarity) and that leaves the RHS for things like "View" etc... which is akin to the Notication area people are already used to.

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Minh — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:51:20 GMT

I have a few scenarios that I'd like Win7 to consider:

* Reading e-mails

* Manage / Search "Office" documents

* Browsing pictures

* Surfing the internet

* Manage "generic" files

* Manage people connections

* Paying bills

* Viewing car scheduled maintenance

* Browse viral videos

And I think these things need to be re-imagined to be totally different than what we do today. Because today, we have crap! crap! crap! when it comes to the non-computer literate crowd.

I think some mind-altering substance is required by MS designers prior to tackling those. I'll give it a shot, too, though.

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:51:46 GMT

Idea Summary:

Idea 1. none (for name)
Windows 7 will probably have a new name (as calling 7 in 2009 wont really work) In a way it is too bad. Ive never liked "names" for windows. Its windows. That one is up to ms.

Idea 2. Tag. Windows ____ : Above and Beyond
As mentioned in posts - i liked this because it sounds big. above the clouds - beyond the competition.. google moon.. xprise - or linux etc

Idea 3. Invisible taskbar - Search moved out of startmenu - centered
Again as mentioned: if MS is competing with google for real (from pcs to phones) they need the default main page UI to have search. It cant go in center of wallpaper (as it would wreck the look of family photos) but it could go in the center of the - invisible - bar.

Idea 4: Tag win flag logo to search box (not View or Open menu)
This just re-enforces the "when we say we are going to kill f$%$ google - we mean it!"

Idea 5: Start menu is replaced with full width panel
Ive been going on about this one forever. why just 25% of screen?

Idea 6: No "switch user" / "hibernate".
It either says log in - or logged in as. To change - type a different name and hit enter. hibernate is sleep (it figures it out ..laptop / desktop)

Idea 7. Move shutdown options to top level
I put them far right. this is more for cross device consistancy

Idea 8: Flip3d - goes in a circle
Shows more at once - round is fun

Idea 9: No borders on JPGs (till mouseover)
Just like youtube. Looks nicer to view as just a photo. Worse case scenario - add a white border around them (like old kodaks - not the polaroid borders like today though)

idea 10: it is consistent with look of windows live

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:54:54 GMT

How long until these hit Digg as real mockups?

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DCMonkey — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:57:48 GMT

jamie wrote:

Idea 5: Start menu is replaced with full width panel
Ive been going on about this one forever. why just 25% of screen?

An extra wide start menu means you've got to move the mouse even further to get to some things (depending on exactly where your start panel sprouts from).

I can see why some people would like the Vista programs "list" to be resizable, but I haven't had a problem with the default size myself.

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DCMonkey — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:00:45 GMT

jamie wrote:

Idea 7. Move shutdown options to top level
I put them far right. this is more for cross device consistancy

What devices? On my desktop I'd use it once per session. On my laptop I can just close the lid. On my phone, tablet or UMPC I can press the physical button on the side.

Foolish consistency etc...

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:10:21 GMT

re- Devices (above one): i was picturing an iphone with NO buttons = exit/close needs to be top level. oops i mean Surface mobile

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Elmer — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:08:15 GMT

jamie wrote:

re- Devices (above one): i was picturing an iphone with NO buttons = exit/close needs to be top level. oops i mean Surface mobile

Perhaps the only thing requred is the logo... you don't need a separate "start" and everything else can appear on pointing at or clicking on the logo.

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:50:49 GMT

pushing it... (but these go with it...)

* crap = WGA / DRM / UAC etc (steveb stuff)

** it is suppose to be ..humorous.. like - we are SO above and beyond that NOW! ..all those negative articles? theyre in the past dude... move on! we are!

Edit: (Windows Live ad) Get a Live!

that was a good days ~~work!~~ fun!

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brian.shapiro — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:56:35 GMT

OK, I'll post a concept:

(a way to combine the taskbar with the sidebar / multiple sidebars/taskbars)

-- Different taskbar panels, selected by 'tabs' at bottom
-- Can stack panels on top of each other, stay on top, or temporarily
-- Panels are basically particular presentations of particular types of info/content

-- Flexibility allows you to move media player from Open Tasks to Gadgets, if a gadget is available
-- Or from Quick Access to Feeds, etc.

-- If you press a Shortcut Key it slides the panel you're selecting in at the bottom below other open panels
-- i.e. Windows+Tab slides in the Open Tasks Panel

-- Alt-Tab features a transition between the Tasks Panel, where it comes from the bottom and zooms into the center of the screen

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brian.shapiro — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:09:05 GMT

Idea 11 : A Mazie screensaver, wallpaper, and agent

j/k

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:11:43 GMT

Mazie Agent: A new murder mystery - coming soon to a K9-park near you

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brian.shapiro — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:31:05 GMT

i think it would be good to get a windows 7 idea / feature request wiki ... with different sections. i think it would be good to have one section for just small touches and addons to the OS, like we discussed in another thread.. and another section with more foudnational concepts and or design ideas

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:34:43 GMT

brian.shapiro wrote:
OK, I'll post a concept:

..for sure! everyone post ideas.

then we can come back in 3 years to ...look at them

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brian.shapiro — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:24:55 GMT

creditcard wrote:
Start from scratch from a FreeBSD or Linux kernel.

I personally think Microsoft should just give up. :/

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harumscarum — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:40:08 GMT

I would like something when you start up to "boot to email" or "boot to document". Reason being is if I need to fire up my laptop to read a doc from a flash drive I dont want to have to wait for everything in the OS to load...the same goes for Outlook.

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Sven Groot — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:45:09 GMT

jamie wrote:
Idea 2. Tag. Windows ____ : Above and Beyond

Windows Space: Above and Beyond?

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:55:53 GMT

..above and beyond refers to : the call of duty

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:15:47 GMT

oops - i hit quote instead of edit...

jamie wrote:
Idea Summary:

Idea 1. none (for name)

Edit: call it Windows ST (self titled) like Bands do... It could signify there is just one WIndows and it is always live / updating now

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tsilb — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:58:05 GMT

stevo_ wrote:

jamie wrote:

stevo_ wrote:

As for some critic, the startup screen resolution is far too high, I wouldn't expect 7 to introduce a high resolution boot option, Vista has yet to really take off on using EFI in the house hold..

macs have had nice boot screens for years...

macs have had critical control of their target hardware for years, windows uses the bios, and it will continue to be the bigger in the PC market for maybe 5 more years

Orange on white? What were you thinking?

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:18:08 GMT

figured i should list this proper...

idea 12: bring back Start (as search though)

Blame the vista confusion on it's removal

treat it like coke classic / give people what they want / sorry / its back - better than ever

*edit: what a GREAT editor C9 has...

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me — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:33:56 GMT

CompGuy101 wrote:
That is too simple. your Windows 7 interpretation is just too simple!

haha. not sure if thats bad or good...

* i tried to make everything more web...

so you dont click a button to click on search to type - to hit enter...

search is there... type / enter

or theres no switching users .. you log in or out (like facebook)

or ... jpgs have no borders - till you mouseover them / options (youtube controls)

or start menu is the view panel - with profile - and CP options within a click (edit: you'd only have to mouseover the words for the tab to move along)

or flip3d is circular / shows more...

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Cybermagellan — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:39:28 GMT

Lloyd_Humph wrote:
How long until these hit Digg as real mockups?

++

Didn't that happen to a few of Jamies mockups for like IE8 or something?

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evildictaitor — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:05:07 GMT

creditcard wrote:
Start from scratch from a FreeBSD or Linux kernel.

Why? Although parts of the linux kernel are OK (like the mm, and the process sheduler) lots of it is terrible (most of the DWM's paint mechanisms are terrible, the way SIGKILL etc are handled by the process, rather than more centralized, in order to help cleanup programs when they crash).

If Windows were to be redeveloped from scratch, they might look at Linux, but they won't use it. Both Windows and Linux could be made better if made from scratch.

And that's not even beginning on the topic of backwards compatability.

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:01:33 GMT

Hi , im Italian excuse me my poor English

i Have one Idea

Games for Windows 2.0

The my idea is this

when you want to play select a game to Windows 7 and the system go in Hybernate, after start Only
MiniWin+DirectX+Internet and STOP
no other

maximum performance in console style

its good idea?? or bad???

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evildictaitor — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:37:52 GMT

jamie wrote:

Above and Beyond

lose the and. Add a comma.

Windows 7:
Above,

Beyond ... (add whoosh effect)

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evildictaitor — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:45:03 GMT

Dovella wrote:

...
maximum performance in console style

Also I'm 100% behind you there.

If the Windows team can make it so that some programs pop up a UAC-style

"You're about to start playing X"

[Play] [Work]

And if you go [Play] it kills everything it can get away with in Windows, such as Office toolbar, open apps, explorer, WMP, most services, anti-virus, the sidebar thing, any little apps, and then gives the game full power to run at max speed.

And when you exit, it can either reboot or preferably soft boot everything back into windows.

Note that a side effect of this is that Google Talk will never cause your game to crash to desktop ever again! Yay!

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Christian Liensberger — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:14:05 GMT

Lloyd_Humph wrote:
How long until these hit Digg as real mockups?

give it a year

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Bas — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:20:53 GMT

evildictaitor wrote:

Dovella wrote:

...
maximum performance in console style

Also I'm 100% behind you there.

If the Windows team can make it so that some programs pop up a UAC-style

"You're about to start playing X"

[Play] [Work]

And if you go [Play] it kills everything it can get away with in Windows, such as Office toolbar, open apps, explorer, WMP, most services, anti-virus, the sidebar thing, any little apps, and then gives the game full power to run at max speed.

And when you exit, it can either reboot or preferably soft boot everything back into windows.

Note that a side effect of this is that Google Talk will never cause your game to crash to desktop ever again! Yay!

This also kills the ability to use stuff that -does- work, like Skype for team chatting, or Hypersnap for taking screenshots. Also, sometimes I want to have a file transfer running in the background while I try to figure out if the cake really is a lie.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:21:43 GMT

Cybermagellan wrote:

Lloyd_Humph wrote:
How long until these hit Digg as real mockups?

++

Didn't that happen to a few of Jamies mockups for like IE8 or something?

Yeah

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TiAdiMundo — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:54:22 GMT

jamie wrote:

Idea 3. Invisible taskbar - Search moved out of startmenu - centered
Again as mentioned: if MS is competing with google for real (from pcs to phones) they need the default main page UI to have search. It cant go in center of wallpaper (as it would wreck the look of family photos) but it could go in the center of the - invisible - bar.

I think there are some really good ideas in that concept by simplify things but what I really like on the current concept of Windows is the always visible taskbar: it shows me always what I am working on, I don't have to do something to get a complete overview. That is different from what you get on a real desktop or even on Mac OS X. And another powerful idea is, that you can reach everything from a known place with just one click, even if you are working on something (full screen mode).

BTW, this is the first Win7 concept that really shows some great ideas and smart thinking (like that a "real" Flip 3D doesn't make sense on a 2D display )

But there are some issues /me thinks: instant search only would work if you are not in a different program (like Word or a browser), so the user always have to think "where is the cursor now? Can I type instantly or do I have to click/press something? In Vista it is easy: always press the Windows key! And how would you start an app without a keyboard (on a Tablet PC, phone...)?

Or what if I opened two images, with the bigger one on top. How could I reach the other image/window? Or where can I see how many images are open?

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:23:16 GMT

TiAdiMundo wrote:

Or what if I opened two images, with the bigger one on top. How could I reach the other image/window? Or where can I see how many images are open?

I've got a cool idea for this:

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TiAdiMundo — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:40:20 GMT

Lloyd_Humph wrote:

I've got a cool idea for this:

Yes, but the taskbar does this now.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:49:01 GMT

TiAdiMundo wrote:

Lloyd_Humph wrote:

I've got a cool idea for this:

Yes, but the taskbar does this now.

So your problem is..?

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tsilb — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:28:57 GMT

Dovella wrote:
maximum performance in console style

Reminds me of a great idea I had once. Has anyone here used Rhino3D? You can use the toolbars and menus with the keyboard or mouse as normal, but you can freely type commands, coordinates, etc. - Any time keyboard focus isn't in something that requires its own input (i.e. typing a 3D Text object).

I would freaking love for this functionality to be integrated within Windows.

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TiAdiMundo — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:58:05 GMT

Lloyd_Humph wrote:

So your problem is..?

I don't have a problem. I was talking about Jamie's concept and there seems to be no taskbar anymore or a replacement to show all open tasks.

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:12:16 GMT

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YearOfTheLinuxDesktop — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:20:44 GMT

Dovella wrote:

Hi , im Italian excuse me my poor English
i Have one Idea
Games for Windows 2.0
The my idea is this
when you want to play select a game to Windows 7 and the system go in Hybernate, after start Only
MiniWin+DirectX+Internet and STOP
no other

maximum performance in console style

its good idea?? or bad???

with multi-core CPUs becoming widely used and RAM prices dropping significantly I don't think that shutting off services and applications would make a big difference.

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evildictaitor — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:24:47 GMT

YearOfTheLinuxDesktop wrote:

with multi-core CPUs becoming widely used and RAM prices dropping significantly I don't think that shutting off services and applications would make a big difference.

Even so, games and full screen apps will use all of it. If the last two decades has taught us anything it's that PC games will max out the specs of the highest caliber machines at their time of launch, and they don't show any signs of stopping.

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YearOfTheLinuxDesktop — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:40:22 GMT

evildictaitor wrote:

Even so, games and full screen apps will use all of it. If the last two decades has taught us anything it's that PC games will max out the specs of the highest caliber machines at their time of launch, and they don't show any signs of stopping.

you have to consider that windows usually uses 0-1% of the CPU while idling and that nowadays you can get 4gb of ram for 100$. having a 0-1% of CPU overhead and 12% of RAM overhead (500mb of 4gb) won't make a big difference especially if you consider that RAM doesn't improve games' speed unless it's not enough and your system starts swapping.

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DCMonkey — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:50:42 GMT

I would like the auto-tweak thing for multitrack audio apps. Even with my top of the line machine, I couldn't get Vista to work reliably with my firewire audio interface without turning off a bunch of stuff I didn't want to turn off. I ended up putting it on my old XP machine becuase I could disable everything permanently there.

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DCMonkey — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:59:28 GMT

I'm thinking something like this would be more intuitive for today's users:

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Bent Rasmussen — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:12:55 GMT

There's some beauty to what you've done Jamie, although a bit too simplistic for my taste.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:29:25 GMT

TiAdiMundo wrote:

Lloyd_Humph wrote:

So your problem is..?
I don't have a problem. I was talking about Jamie's concept and there seems to be no taskbar anymore or a replacement to show all open tasks.

Which is why I suggested what I did.

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Bas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:08:47 GMT

I'd suggest getting rid of the entire Files and Programs paradigm completely, at least superficially. I think that'd do wonders to help non-computer-literate people use computers.

Maybe the start menu could be replaced by a 'tasks menu'. ('Tasks' sounds to boring and work-related, but I can't think of anything better at the moment.) The reasoning behind this is as follows:

If I put my mother behind a PC and ask her what she'd like to do, it'd probably be stuff like "Watch some photo's", "Listen to music", or "write a letter". Then, she'd be stuck. Because how is she supposed to know that for watching photo's, you need to start an application called "Windows Live Photo Gallery" or "ACDSee"? How is she going to figure that "Windows Media Player", even if it sounds like something you can use to play music, is actually what she needs to use?

Also, files are no use either. How is she supposed to know that a .avi is a video, or .mp3 is music? Sure, there may be a descriptive icon, but she'd need to find the file, first. That comes down to proper file management, but then you're fixing the symptoms, not the problem itself. So files and folders are of no use either.

Maybe she'd be helped better with a tasks menu, that offered a bunch of descriptive tasks. Like, for instance, "Write a document", "Play a game" or "Play media". (Maybe even 'media' is too vague, and we should just have something called "Watch my videos" or "Play my music"). Then, clicking that task would then launch whatever application is set for that task. Sort of like the way you can now set your default browser and e-mail client and such, but with a much broader scope, for all types of applications.

Of course, applications will need to expose their 'function' to Windows. I'm thinking of requiring Windows 7 compatible applications to ship with some sort of manifest (like the XML manifest for Sidebar gadgets, or the manifest that applications need for UAC) that declares wether it's a "document writing" application, or a "video playing" application, and so on.

You could expand the tasks in the tasks menu in some way, of course. Maybe by default it ships with a couple of pre-defined tasks, and then installed applications (through their manifest) could add to them. For instance, I could install Visual Web Developer, and a "Develop a website" task would get added to the list. If I then install some other type of web developing application (which also lists itself as a 'website development' application in its manifest), the installer could notice that you already have such an application and ask you if you want this to be the default application for developing websites from now on.

Of course, the "All programs" list, for more experienced users, could still be there, but hidden away a bit. Maybe a small button next to the tasks menu could be 'All programs'. And of course, we'd still have desktop shortcuts and the quicklaunch bar for us geeks. (Also, applications that don't ship with a task manifest won't get listed in the tasks menu but would still be available in All Programs.)

I think this would be half the solution. Because, sometimes I want to write a new document or develop a new application, but a lot of times, I want to continue writing a document I was working on or devevelop an application I was working on. That's why part of the new start menu should consist of "recent stuff", which is sort of the equivalent of "Recent documents" we have now. Only, recent documents is too hidden away. Documents should be listed right in the start menu, so that you see them instantly when you hit the Windows key.

And instead of listing files, it should list stuff like "Letter about so and so", "Website concept X", or "Appointment about this and that". These could just be single files (like a word document), but also be collections of files, or parts of files. Perhaps if I click "Appointment about this and that", Windows Calendar will open, show me the appointment (which I've recently added, which is why it's in the Recent Stuff menu), which also contains contacts, perhaps some sort of image file, a word document detailing the appointment, and a link to Live Maps showing the location. So an 'appointment' would be a collection of files, information from a database (the appointment in Calendar itself and the contacts from my contact list), hyperlinks, et cetera. I don't care if they're files, or not. Maybe they're bits of magic, I don't know. I just care about my appointment. Not about some mysterious technicality like a 'file'. So don't expose my stuff as a list of files: expose it like a list of things that I want.

Windows Media Player and Live Photo Gallery already do this in a way, of course. They give me albums, tracks, photo's, et cetera, without the need to click File->Open. Make this system-wide. In fact, if I want to add a picture to my next appointment in Windows Calendar, don't give me a default Browse File dialog: open Photo Gallery for me. Because in Photo Gallery, all my images are nicely sorted and tagged. Why should I navigate a directory structure and pick some vague file name? That's what I have Photo Gallery for.

I think that's mainly what I'd like to see. It wouldn't even require a huge architectural change. It's basically all superficial stuff, while the underlying files and applications system stays the same, but hidden from users who don't want or need to see it.

As for how it looks... maybe the Start Orb could still be bottom left. Click it, and a sort of wheel fans out from it listing all my Recent Stuff as the inner wheel, and all the tasks as an outer wheel. Hover the cursor over the Recent Stuff wheel, and it'll start spinning and shows you more of your recent things. Same for the outer Tasks wheel.

I think this'd make stuff a lot more accessible for new users, while actually adding something useful for advanced users and still allowing them to do stuf 'the old way' if they really want to.

What do you think?

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:26:15 GMT

TiAdiMundo wrote:

Lloyd_Humph wrote:

So your problem is..?
I don't have a problem. I was talking about Jamie's concept and there seems to be no taskbar anymore or a replacement to show all open tasks.

how about this:

pretend that whole concept is a Windows Live UI. You could still choose Aero, or LUNA [6] or windows classic.

also - maybe you could drag items out of the panel and put them on the desktop.

or flip3d 2 would replace alt tab (so people remember to use it)

Maybe there are other UI's. An Xbox UI. a Kids UI. A media Center UI.

I really just dont buy the concept that there has to one UI. That it's too hard to have different ones - for tastes or uses.

All of windows is the same plumbing.. its just some clothes. Even star trek has different colours and styles in their uniforms

ps - i liked Above, beyond.

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Tommy Carlier — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:36:28 GMT

Jamie, if we have different UI's then each application will have to implement the different UI's. Or applications will be bound to a single UI. It's not "just some clothes". People would also have to learn multiple UI's and application support would become more difficult.

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Dorian Muthig — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:43:41 GMT

TommyCarlier wrote:
Jamie, if we have different UI's then each application will have to implement the different UI's. Or applications will be bound to a single UI. It's not "just some clothes". People would also have to learn multiple UI's and application support would become more difficult.

huh?
How about doing it like windows forms? As far as I know, you don't implement the Windows standard UI in your apps. Just some things like buttons, menus and stuff...

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:44:56 GMT

on the internet's every site is different.

but i can work facebook .. or google.. or channel 9...without "learning" them

they are just clothes for URLs, logins, info and media...

edit: and as for tech support - there just needs to be a support mode button somewhere. The user is told to click it - and it opens a sort of tech safe mode - basic / classic-esque UI

I completely agree there has to be one default for that issue - but i dont agree the entire experience needs to be degraded - to accomodate that

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Tommy Carlier — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:46:37 GMT

Dodo, that just gives you 1 UI. Jamie wants different UI paradigms magically implemented by applications. You can't just design your application in Windows Forms and let Windows display it like a Media Center UI, or an XBox UI.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:50:15 GMT

if i open the window colour slider - and make aero - red say (err pink ) then all the windows are pink.

so if you chose Windows Live UI - all the windows would be silvery blue. if you chose xbox ui - they would be black.

* im not saying every app has to be different... just the shell to get to the apps could be way more diverse

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stevo_ — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:55:38 GMT

I, and many designers would disagree because the OS gui went in the right direction with Vista, it's more subtle and doesn't really carry any theme with it.. if the OS's UI could be customized, it's likely to clash with peoples applications.. for people who have put a lot of effort into their apps UI and UX, that's very frustrating..

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Dorian Muthig — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:56:12 GMT

TommyCarlier wrote:
Dodo, that just gives you 1 UI. Jamie wants different UI paradigms magically implemented by applications. You can't just design your application in Windows Forms and let Windows display it like a Media Center UI, or an XBox UI.

Err... you can...
It's like the visual styles now

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:14:02 GMT

this comes back to the idea that there needs to be a radical - but simple new framework for UI in windows

           top layer: UI framework
              ________________

Bottom layer: Regular windows plumbing

I do admit that looking at these concepts a day later - it looks more like what should be at Windows.com or for a device.

But does anyone really object to having say - a UI custom designed for your kids - thats fun and safe - or you put a computer in the kitchen - and load the Home chef UI. ( with sidebar Notepad open for leaving mesages, maybe a quick record a video notepad (Jimmy your lunch is in the fridge love mom)

It is still windows.. someone just does the grunt work for you (instead of manually finding a food wallpaper, puting links to epicurious.com, cooks.com etc in the programs menu ... )

Plus windows could get smarter / offer more to users of the target UIs.

and last: before vista came out - there was a bunch of scenarios ( like vista in a manufacturing plant UI etc. completely custom designed to that purpose.

So it's not like they havent thought of this - they just didnt do it

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stevo_ — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:14:02 GMT

Yea because a kitchen deployed computer would have pretty specific tasks.. they don't need a desktop OS, but they do because its simpler.. in which case they use an application to act as the UI and UX..

As for kids having a theme.. again this would be defined by the apps, and perhaps using tone changes to the OS UI.. but being able to completely change the UI is just a nightmare..

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Tommy Carlier — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:15:39 GMT

Ah, so with "different UI's" you just mean the themes, the colors, ... I thought you meant UI paradigms. Like a Media Center UI that is full-screen with animated menus. If you just mean the visual style, then it shouldn't be a problem. Some UI toolkits already provide this. Our company's Windows Forms applications use the Krypton Toolkit. We've designed a clean style for our applications, but the Krypton Toolkit allows you to dynamically switch styles in your application.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:21:10 GMT

Windows Home Chef

Recipes

Leave a message

Shopping list

Weather / maps

Exit

oh no! life as we no it ceases to exist ... where am I ! Clippy where are you! help!

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Dorian Muthig — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:31:38 GMT

jamie wrote:

Windows Home Chef

Recipes
Leave a message
Shopping list
Weather / maps
Exit

oh no! life as we no it ceases to exist ... where am I ! Clippy where are you! help!

LOL, I like it

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TiAdiMundo — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:03:48 GMT

jamie wrote:
if i open the window colour slider - and make aero - red say (err pink ) then all the windows are pink.

so if you chose Windows Live UI - all the windows would be silvery blue. if you chose xbox ui - they would be black.

* im not saying every app has to be different... just the shell to get to the apps could be way more diverse

Maybe this will someday be possible. WPF moves in this direction by separating code from design just like HTML/CSS.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:39:17 GMT

another - mini feature might be if icon text could "know" if it is on a light or dark background. So instead of making the text white with black drop shadows - they would auto choose white (when on something darker than 50% or black when on something lighter than 50%)

like these 2 desktop icons:

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stevo_ — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:43:32 GMT

It's a bad idea because the text might be split dark then light and so on.. in which case the best colour to pick would be different for each few letters.. this would look terrible..

The white with offset black (looking like a shadow) works well universally and remains clean..

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:46:11 GMT

oh ... like if the wallpaper was thin black and white stripes..
your right (i still dont really like the current fuzzy looking way)

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:45:18 GMT

Okay, a long shot...

Could MS create a corner interface? Say for example:

_ [] X O

Clicking O would open up a snazzy curve that stretched accross that corner of the screen, with everything one could want - quicklaunch, running apps etc all in one place. Like the taskbar, but smaller. And you'd gain the height of the taskbar in real estate.

I've always thought this would be cool

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GoddersUK — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:51:51 GMT

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stevo_ — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:08:41 GMT

I think you guys are focusing on some obscure features of the OS.. personally I'd like the next Windows to introduce a richer way for apps to interact data between them.. while a lot of this is down to the app, any standardization that could be done by the OS would be great..

I'd also like explorer to be a little richer in terms of interaction and previews.. Vista has some nice systems introduced, like the preview handler framework, but I think it could be better used.. at least in explorer, where explorer stayed very similar to XP.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:16:47 GMT

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:17:31 GMT

GoddersUK wrote:
piccie

I already do this, I have a 3-tier taskbar. It'd be just /too/ big for the screen, otherwise.

The one thing that makes me mad is that if one thing on a tier is double line (for example the Quicklaunch toolbar) then everything else on that line must be double tier.

EG:

|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||---------------------------------
Double Tier toolbar here == Two singles here
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||---------------------------------

You can't do that. Sucks.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:19:20 GMT

jamie wrote:
Environment stuff

Looks good. Darker theme and it'd be brilliant.

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evildictaitor — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:19:50 GMT

stevo_ wrote:
I think you guys are focusing on some obscure features of the OS.. personally I'd like the next Windows to introduce a richer way for apps to interact data between them.. while a lot of this is down to the app, any standardization that could be done by the OS would be great..

I'd also like explorer to be a little richer in terms of interaction and previews.. Vista has some nice systems introduced, like the preview handler framework, but I think it could be better used.. at least in explorer, where explorer stayed very similar to XP.

I like it! With .NET you could implement a common messaging system, and have a method that gets called every now and then

protected virtual void ProcessMessage(IEnumerable messages){
foreach(BaseMessage m in messages){
    switch(m.GetType()){
      case typeof(OpenNewFileMessage):
         {
           this.OpenNewTab( ((OpenNewFileMessage)m).FileName;
         break;
         }
       case typeof(NewDiskInsertedMessage):
         {
            this.ContinueInstallation();
            break;
          }

       default:
         continue;
    }
}
}

etc.

And we could finally see a new addition to the main function:

static void Main();
static void Main(string[] args);
static void Main(Argument[] args);

where Argument can pass non-string things, like say, a client-connection, or an SQL database connection, or a System.SecureString.

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GoddersUK — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:22:27 GMT

Lloyd_Humph wrote:
I already do this, I have a 3-tier taskbar.

You're just making me feel inadequate now

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:23:44 GMT

re: Darker theme and it'd be brilliant.

..its an ad?

* liked: Above. (flag) Beyond.

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evildictaitor — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:24:35 GMT

jamie wrote:

picture

You don't think the OFT might object to their non-standard use of the well established term "environmentally friendly"? It might be friendly and in your environs, but it's not friendly to The Environment^(TM) if it's chewing through a terawatt of power, which current trends fortell.

P.S. Why arn't you working in Microsoft's marketing arm? You're pretty good. Although in fairness, you probably don't want to work that far beneath your talents.

Given the popular acclaim of Windows Vista compared to it's actual qualities I sometimes wonder if they're actually a secret infiltration by Apple to undermine Microsoft, given the level of their advertising.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:27:07 GMT

jamie wrote:
re: Darker theme and it'd be brilliant.

..its an ad?

* liked: Above. (flag) Beyond.

I know, I just think that it's a little too bright.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:35:47 GMT

3d UI "Expanse" or something

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evildictaitor — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:41:10 GMT

jamie wrote:

Latest picture

I preferred your previous ones. This one takes up too much screenspace, is relatively unintuitive, and if you needed to scroll "up the road" for a couple of seconds to get to Word or something, then Microsoft would have to quickly bundle a Microsoft XP Home Edition Stressball for stress-relief Relaxation agent for Mobile Professionals Enterprise (TM) with every copy of Windows 7.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:58:03 GMT

was just thinking: most 3d UI's ive seen are pretty bad.

no offence to gutsy gibbon (or whatever) but that cube thing i dont think id use (maybe for fun for a while..)

so i thought back to MSR - they had a 3d room - but it looked silly - although the idea of going in - or back out i liked.

also - apples dock - where things get bigger and smaller.. i just thought - what about an infinate dock?

so lets say you use the scroll wheel to advance "in"

as the camera goes by - a bubble with recent photos appears.. or when you pass Word - the last 3 documents you edited show up.. etc

* also clouds coming and going might "look" nice .. like flying through heaven

haha Windows Heaven [A]

edit: the flying in and out might work really well on Surface Mobile..

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evildictaitor — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:06:11 GMT

jamie wrote:

was just thinking: most 3d UI's ive seen are pretty bad.
no offence to gutsy gibbon (or whatever) but that cube thing i dont think id use (maybe for fun for a while..)

I totally agree. It's a gimmick, just like Flip 3D. Amusing the first couple of times, but in practise you just press Alt + Tab.

jamie wrote:

so lets say you use the scroll wheel to advance "in"

That's a really good idea. Allows you to zoom out, make windows any size, and it would also be nice if it implemented some kind of scrolling landscape, or perhaps multiple desktop spaces.

Windows Key + mouse wheel?

jamie wrote:

as the camera goes by - a bubble with recent photos appears.. or when you pass Word - the last 3 documents you edited show up.. etc

That's also a great idea. Not sure how they'd implement it in practise though.

Here's one idea of my own.

I'd like to see them change the way programs "decide" who runs when you double click a file (e.g. doc runs Word, mp3 runs WMP), so that it was stack based. Install a new program and it puts itself on top (with permission from user). Uninstall it, and the previous program gets control.

If you even implemented this with some mechanism where a program can say "I can't open that file", then it just goes to the next item in the stack. So if I try and open a AVI and WMP goes crazy, it just rolls over and plays on VLC.

Also I would like an ability to mount / burn isos directly from within windows. I'm fed up of having to download nasty little apps just to burn an iso or mount one to "trick" the operating system. It should just happen natively.

Also a mechanism whereby the Windows games manager can automatically download and apply patches in the background would be nice, so that when I install game X, Windows games manager goes and gets the latest three patches and applys them.

Also a mechanism whereby notepad doesn't give you a migrane by implementing an ingenious mechanism called double buffering would be nice.

jamie wrote:
also clouds coming and going might "look" nice

If they make dreamscene enabled on all Windows 7 editions then they can just implement it as a background WMV.

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stevo_ — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:15:48 GMT

I thought the BumpTop concept was nice.. perhaps a bit on the extremes.. but it would be great if Windows thought about going down this kind of change from the norm (yeh right!).

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Bas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:21:00 GMT

Here, my idea for a different start menu. It's even localised!

What? My drawing skills suck.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:21:37 GMT

*this looks sort of lame - but it shows the idea if you moused over an icon while it goes by - it would show recent / relevant options

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:26:06 GMT

Bas wrote:
Here, my idea for a different start menu. It's even localised!

What? My drawing skills suck.

my only issue with that is the Lotus Organizer thing: sideways text..

(i was also looking at xbox live screenshots (to do a sample theme) - and was suprized to see it also has sideways text.. bad!)

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stevo_ — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:26:13 GMT

Actually I don't think it matters on the 360..

Plus, it's not hard to read text on 90 degree angles, its when you start to go off of this.. and rendering fonts on angles isn't always as accurate..

Plus after about 10 minutes of using a 360 you would know each section by the colour and content vs the title of the tab..

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Bas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:26:53 GMT

jamie wrote:
(i was also looking at xbox live screenshots - and was suprized to se it also has sideways text.. bad!)

I agree. But the idea is that the inner two rings can spin (I'd figure by using the scroll wheel or by clicking and dragging, which would be cool when using touch), so you'd be able to see all items horizontally, too.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:30:39 GMT

*this is just a friendly reminder that threads like this will not be possible in c9v4

i love this editor
i love that - using discretion - we can choose to show big images inline
i love that we can post quick cut and paste tables with colours and text

[C]

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Bas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:30:46 GMT

jamie wrote:
*this looks sort of lame - but it shows the idea if you moused over an icon while it goes by - it would show recent / relevant options

I like this concept of a 3D desktop a lot more than the whole cube thing, which is basically still a 2D desktop on the side of a cube. There's actually a point to this: you get more detail (the bubble) as you bring icons to the front.

However, I'm not sure if I'd want to scroll all the way forward until I can find the application I need..

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:34:10 GMT

im thinking it wouldnt go too deep by default..

just: computer, web, email, messenger, photos, games, maybe 5 recently used apps..

then it ends on All Programs or something global

(its to be used for 70% of things.. perhaps not all things)

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Lloyd Humphreys — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:37:26 GMT

Bas wrote:
Here, my idea for a different start menu. It's even localised!

What? My drawing skills suck.

Copycat!

Mine was more top corner-y though...

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Bas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:39:12 GMT

Lloyd_Humph wrote:

Copycat!

Mine was more top corner-y though...

Yours was also a curve on the side, not two concentric spinning wheels.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:40:53 GMT

is that in another language? its hard to tell how the spinning works cause i cant really figure out what the words mean

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Bas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:52:00 GMT

It's both another language and appalling handwriting, so it's illegible either way.

I have a detailed explanation on some other page in this thread, but yeah. The inner ring is a list of recent 'things' you used. Documents, websites, appointments, et cetera. The middle ring is a list of tasks, such as "Write a document", "Listen to music", "Plan an appointment", "Call a friend", et cetera. Clicking one of those will open the default application defined for that task. So if you installed Office, "Write a document" would open Word. If you installed OpenOffice, it'd start Writer. "Call a friend" could start Skype, for instance. The point being that normal people have no idea that you need to start something called "Skype" in order to call a friend.

You can spin either of these wheels and see more documents or tasks, but again, there shouldn't be too many.

There's also a very thin outer wheel that contains buttons for the traditional All Programs list, Control Panel, My Computer and Shutdown options.

Edit: the longer version.
Edit 2: there's actually no reason for it to be circular. It could also just be two lists, next to each other.

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:59:34 GMT

i wonder if there will be a new site (like vista had) about the UI

...and hopefully sooner (before its too late to have input) than later

I cant help but think - wouldnt it be amazing if someone actually working on 7 (ahem) could post in this thread, say how silly all our little ideas are, post their own ideas, have a real dialoge..

not just fans posting fake things into the ether...

oh well. at least its FUN

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Bas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:01:30 GMT

Here's another thing: I just wanted to send a picture to somebody on messenger. I have no idea where I left that picture: the photo import wizard handles all that stuff for me. I can find it immediately in Photo Gallery, but.. you can't use Photo Gallery as the 'browse file' dialog for Messenger file transfers. I should just be able to drag the photo from Gallery to the messenger window to transfer it. Or to Calendar to add it to an appointment. Or... et cetera. Stop making me navigate through my directory structure. This isn't the 90's anymore.

jamie wrote:
I cant help but think - wouldnt it be amazing if someone actually working on 7 (ahem) could post in this thread, say how silly all our little ideas are, post their own ideas, have a real dialoge..

not just fans posting fake things into the ether...

Legally probably impossible, but still, QFT.

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PaoloM — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:01:15 GMT

jamie wrote:
I cant help but think - wouldnt it be amazing if someone actually working on 7 (ahem) could post in this thread, say how silly all our little ideas are, post their own ideas, have a real dialoge..

Trust me, it's really hard to stay quiet

It will come a day (hopefully pretty soon) when we will be able to talk to you all about Win7. My team owns pretty cool stuff, but more on the infrastructure/plumbing side than the UI side, I do, however, have regular talks with UX peoples.

Wait just a bit more...

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:11:30 GMT

am i close..at all? ...or way off?

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GoddersUK — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:12:17 GMT

PaoloM wrote:
My team owns pretty cool stuff,

Like the teapot UI paten

Linkage

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:40:07 GMT

3D / 2D switch

somehow this needs to go somewhere. For example - you cant have the 3d fly in desktop - if there are gadgets open - and icons on desktop.

so there would need to be 2 modes? (3 if you count support mode)

not sure where to put it... or how to list it

?

edit: maybe if you double click the desktop - the gadgets and icons disappear - and it gets activated... and if you dont move your mouse for a few seconds - the normal desktop comes back.. not sure

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:00:36 GMT

re 2d/3d mode..

i think that double click could work..

currently - go double click on your desktop.

nothing happens.

imagine if - when you did that - the icons and gadgets and taskbar faded out ( within a second) and the - fly in 3d mode - was there. (with the search box and the other new ideas...

want to exit? double click. ( 1 second / icons and gadgets and taskbar come back)

...i want that NOW!

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me — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:23:57 GMT

same for ie8... double click a webpage (currently) nothing happens.

do so in ie8 - switch to 3d mode.

(as for what that looks like... give me time. ha)

edit: you know the half hour iphone demo? well the windows 7 demo could be 3 minutes.

hi - to use the new windows - double click the desktop or browser window to switch to 3d mode. to exit 3d mode - double click the desktop or browser window.

its ONE new thing to learn - but would offer so much in return..

(note to self: transversing 3d to 2d space - check)

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glebd — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:30:33 GMT

I think most of you are missing the point. As I read your suggestions (except maybe for one that suggested rewriting from scratch), the expression "polishing the turd" comes to mind. If Microsoft doesn't rewrite the whole thing and gets rid of all the compatibility crud (perhaps by virtualising it), Windows is doomed. Think about it: Vista code base is 40% bigger that XP code base (an unconfirmed quote from somewhere online) -- there is no way you can turn this to an advantage! There is a good article somewhere on the nets comparing Vista to dBASE IV (hint: compatibility killed it). The problem is, though, that at the moment compatibility is all that Windows has. If people had to choose between, say, Windows-2010-Without-Backward-Compatibility and other OS, they'd probably keep running XP forever (in enterprise) or switch to Mac or Linux (at home). Make your own conclusions.

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evildictaitor — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:47:53 GMT

glebd wrote:

[If Microsoft doesn't] get rid of all the compatibility crud [then] Windows is doomed.

If people had to choose between Windows-Without-Backward-Compatibility they'd probably keep running XP forever

Maybe I'm going senile here, but why must they get rid of a feature without which their new product would fail? That seems counter productive to say the least.

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LaBomba — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:24:44 GMT

jamie wrote:
re 2d/3d mode..

i think that double click could work..

currently - go double click on your desktop.

nothing happens.

imagine if - when you did that - the icons and gadgets and taskbar faded out ( within a second) and the - fly in 3d mode - was there. (with the search box and the other new ideas...

want to exit? double click. ( 1 second / icons and gadgets and taskbar come back)

...i want that NOW!

Nice idea, but how would you make it discoverable?

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Xaero_Vincent — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:45:10 GMT

Why do you guys assume Microsoft will alter the UI in 7?

Vista already introduces a different UI concept from it's predecessors.

Microsoft can't just go and radically alter the interface every release. End-users, especially buisnesses, expect conformity and a common interface with a minimal learning curve.

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brian.shapiro — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:16:53 GMT

glebd wrote:
If Microsoft doesn't rewrite the whole thing and gets rid of all the compatibility crud (perhaps by virtualising it), Windows is doomed.

Well , yea, imo , .NET is the first step in getting to a position where they can stop caring about backwards compatibility so much, because the application layer will be virtualized

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stevo_ — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:50:24 GMT

Personally I don't think the UI should change much in Seven, I also don't see Windows being dumped in favour of a new kernel.. it doesn't make sense..

I don't think Windows is destined to fail at all if it doesn't change, they just need to work on releasing more often and keeping Windows pruned..

The virtualization idea is just one of those things we get attracted to as developers because it looks really clean and a good way to detach from legacy problems.. but it doesn't make sense for the OS to move like this.. the OS needs to provide a better platform for developers, adding features in, more than anything in the next versions of Windows, I want improvements to .NET, and all the foundation systems they introduced with .net 3 fx (whatever it's called!).

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Ray6 — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:09:56 GMT

stevo_ wrote:

Personally I don't think the UI should change much in Seven, I also don't see Windows being dumped in favour of a new kernel.. it doesn't make sense..

I don't think Windows is destined to fail at all if it doesn't change, they just need to work on releasing more often and keeping Windows pruned..

The virtualization idea is just one of those things we get attracted to as developers because it looks really clean and a good way to detach from legacy problems.. but it doesn't make sense for the OS to move like this.. the OS needs to provide a better platform for developers, adding features in, more than anything in the next versions of Windows, I want improvements to .NET, and all the foundation systems they introduced with .net 3 fx (whatever it's called!).

You don't think running legacy stuff under virtualisation would allow them to move forward without being hampered by backwards compatibility?

Serious question. I always thought this was why folk were so keen on it.

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AndyC — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:00:47 GMT

Ray6 wrote:

You don't think running legacy stuff under virtualisation would allow them to move forward without being hampered by backwards compatibility?

Serious question. I always thought this was why folk were so keen on it.

Virtualization has it's place for this (particularly in the server arena), but it is by no means a panacea. Virtualized OS's don't provide an entirely seamless environment so they can't possibly cover every scenario in an entirely desirable fashion.

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evildictaitor — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:00:41 GMT

Massif wrote:

Gah! Apostrophe madness! (Neither "its" in that context, nor do the plural of Abbreviations, (I believe, I'm prepared to be wrong on that) require an apostrophe.)

Quite so. It's one of the things that irritates me, since it's often misused because of its confusing mannerisms; the possessive has no apostrophe.

Abbreviations also don't have appostrophes unless it's a possessive.

Example:

I saw ITS's car yesterday. Its color was red. It's a nice one IMO. ITS's got a new job working at some bank, and there's another chap there called ITS. The two ITSs will be staying there. It's gonna be madness with all those apostrophes. It's quite confusing because of the apostrophe laws. Its subtle complexities are often misunderstood. It's a pity.

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Massif — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:04:10 GMT

AndyC wrote:

Ray6 wrote:

You don't think running legacy stuff under virtualisation would allow them to move forward without being hampered by backwards compatibility?

Serious question. I always thought this was why folk were so keen on it.

Virtualization has it's place for this (particularly in the server arena), but it is by no means a panacea. Virtualized OS's don't provide an entirely seamless environment so they can't possibly cover every scenario in an entirely desirable fashion.

Gah! Apostrophe madness! (Neither "its" in that context, nor do the plural of Abbreviations, (I believe, I'm prepared to be wrong on that) require an apostrophe.)

I'm sure it's entirely possible to do virtualisation seamlessly (or as seamlessly as anyone would care). Granted you couldn't do it right now with current virtualised OSs; but there's no reason a "parallels" like solution sharing the same main file system couldn't be built into 7 to provide a "seams so small you can hardly see them" virtualised legacy layer.

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AndyC — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:13:06 GMT

Massif wrote:

Gah! Apostrophe madness! (Neither "its" in that context, nor do the plural of Abbreviations, (I believe, I'm prepared to be wrong on that) require an apostrophe.)

Gah. You're right of course. That's what happens when the office runs out of coffee first thing on a Monday....

Massif wrote:

I'm sure it's entirely possible to do virtualisation seamlessly (or as seamlessly as anyone would care). Granted you couldn't do it right now with current virtualised OSs; but there's no reason a "parrallels" like solution sharing the same main file system couldn't be built into 7 to provide a "seams so small you can hardly see them" virtualised legacy layer.

The best you're going to get is something like Classic on Mac OS, which was deeply unpleasant to have to actually work with. Windows would suffer worse than Mac on that front, due to the heavy integration between applications that something like COM provides. By the time you reach a "seamless enough" layer, you've likely already reached a point not too dissimilar to the File and Registry Virtualistion we have in Vista today.

And that's before you even consider source-level backwards compatability. Look at the problems Adobe are having now that Apple are going all out to remove Carbon support from Mac OS X. Porting their entire existing code-base to use Cocoa is decidely non-trivial and something they've been reluctant to do. Imagine how the Windows developer community would feel if they were told that all their existing Win32 code and knowledge had to be scrapped and written against some new library. At that point what motivates them to stay developing for Windows rather than Unix/Mac OS? Wouldn't WINE suddenly look like a much more attractive platform?

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:45:49 GMT

were is here developers of Seven?

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PaoloM — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:01:48 GMT

Dovella wrote:
were is here developers of Seven?

If by that you mean "where are [in this forum] the developers of Seven?", then I'm here

All right, I don't do the WHOLE Windows 7 thing, but I do my part

PS: benvenuto/a su canale 9. No, non e' Mediaset

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evildictaitor — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:46:29 GMT

PaoloM wrote:
All right, I don't do the WHOLE Windows 7 thing

What? Sheer laziness on your part. I mean how hard can it be to write 60 million lines of code in four different languages for multiple processors and GPUs and test it over three years.

You're just lazy, that's your problem

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Dorian Muthig — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:11:42 GMT

PaoloM wrote:
PS: benvenuto/a su canale 9. No, non e' Mediaset

You translate?

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PaoloM — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:16:11 GMT

Dodo wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
PS: benvenuto/a su canale 9. No, non e' Mediaset
You translate?

For a modest fee.

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Lloyd Humphreys — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:20:05 GMT

PaoloM wrote:

Dodo wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
PS: benvenuto/a su canale 9. No, non e' Mediaset
You translate?

For a modest fee.

I will give you one whole penny.

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Tommy Carlier — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:22:42 GMT

Welcome at Channel 9. No, it's not Mediaset [Mediaset = commercial TV network, founded by Berlusconi]

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W3bbo — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:24:07 GMT

evildictaitor wrote:
What? Sheer laziness on your part. I mean how hard can it be to write 60 million lines of code in four different languages for multiple processors and GPUs and test it over three years.

Whilst the original NT kernel was portable (Alpha, Sparc, MIPS, PowerPC, and i386) I don't know if it's still on the kernel spec-sheet. Granted, the kernel is still available for both IA-32 and IA-64, I haven't seen it available for much else.

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:39:38 GMT

PaoloM wrote:
Dovella wrote: were is here developers of Seven?If by that you mean "where are [in this forum] the developers of Seven?", then I'm here All right, I don't do the WHOLE Windows 7 thing, but I do my part PS: benvenuto/a su canale 9. No, non e' Mediaset

Mamma mia Paolo sei Italiano e a lavoro su Seven??e tu dopo la nascita di mio figlio sei la notizia più bella che abbia ricevuto So che è cattiva educazione parlare Italiano qui, io non parlo (e non scrivo Inglese) quindi mi limito a leggere ma passo qui ogni giorno, Ti faccio i miei migilori auguri e complimenti :Dvolevo chiederti solo una cosa..secondo te ho detto una fesseria per Games for Windowsfacendo partire solo MinWin Direct X e la rete? mandando poi in Iber(I need to watch my language)one il sistema principale?GRAZIE

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PaoloM — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:47:26 GMT

Ahahahah

No, your idea about minwin and games was not bad at all, but I can't comment on proposals and ideas (for now).

Except, of course, for my deeply seated, almost primal, hatred for gradients

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Christian Liensberger — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:34:49 GMT

Seven is still in Unimatrix Zero. I hope Voyager (as in my computer name) approaches fast the Borg territory to have Seven transferred on to Voyager

Damn to much of Star Trek Voyager in my mind.

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brian.shapiro — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:39:54 GMT

paolo,

i hope you're taking note of good ideas from channel9 though

good for you for hating gradients

there are some modest gradients i vista that are good use though arent they? buttons and highlights, always grounded by borders,

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evildictaitor — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:48:04 GMT

brian.shapiro wrote:
paolo,

i hope you're taking note of good ideas from channel9 though

good for you for hating gradients

there are some modest gradients i vista that are good use though arent they? buttons and highlights, always grounded by borders,

If by that you mean double gradients with a radial highlight like

then I agree with you.

People who make buttons like

Need special medical help.

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TiAdiMundo — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:19:10 GMT

PaoloM wrote:
Ahahahah

No, your idea about minwin and games was not bad at all, but I can't comment on proposals and ideas (for now).

Except, of course, for my deeply seated, almost primal, hatred for gradients

But gradients are very usefull, they show us in a very natural way on what we can click. By simulating a virtual "sunlight" that comes from above they are looking like real buttons.

But reflections on buttons on top of gradients are really a little bit too much, especially when the button text becomes hard to read.

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mVPstar — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:59:04 GMT

PaoloM wrote:

All right, I don't do the WHOLE Windows 7 thing, but I do my part

Oh, so it's nothing great.

I guess I'll just have to switch to Mac. [6]

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cescotto — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:59:26 GMT

Dovella wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
Dovella wrote: were is here developers of Seven?If by that you mean "where are [in this forum] the developers of Seven?", then I'm here All right, I don't do the WHOLE Windows 7 thing, but I do my part PS: benvenuto/a su canale 9. No, non e' Mediaset
Mamma mia Paolo sei Italiano e a lavoro su Seven??e tu dopo la nascita di mio figlio sei la notizia più bella che abbia ricevuto

Il che suona molto triste...

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:18:28 GMT

PaoloM wrote:
Ahahahah

No, your idea about minwin and games was not bad at all, but I can't comment on proposals and ideas (for now).

Except, of course, for my deeply seated, almost primal, hatred for gradients

THX

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JonathonW — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:22:41 GMT

I've found an exclusive screenshot, of Windows 7 PaoloM Gradient Free Edition:

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stevo_ — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:08:54 GMT

Getting rid of gradients?

It isn't the gradient you think about, for that example above it's a 'reflection' effect.. which is somewhat 'in' right now but so what?

Vista's taskbar is a gradient..

What.. we're going all COMPLETELY solid colors in Seven? scares me that a developer for Windows 7 is on a mission to remove gradients..

Sounds like we'll be back to the windows 2000 days.. (not that classic isn't ok, but c'mon - its 'ok' not .. nice..)

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Christian Liensberger — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:17:10 GMT

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:
I've found an exclusive screenshot, of Windows 7 PaoloM Gradient Free Edition:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! remove that...

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:11:08 GMT

My New Idea

Rainbow Menu Start
To center in Dowsn of Desktop

[url=http://xs.to][/url]

You can Use This in OLD STYLE PHONE with Touch Screen or Mouse

[url=http://xs.to][/url]

Double Click to Open CLassi Menu With Effect

GOOD Idea??

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stevo_ — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:34:14 GMT

No, and the branding department would jump on you with big boots for chopping the Windows logo up.. don't you know about usage guidelines!

Amateurs!

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Herbie Smith — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:36:53 GMT

Having to scroll to find what I want is a bad thing -- I want as much as possible visible at once, while still being able to find what I want quickly.

It's a difficult\impossible task

Herbie

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:53:45 GMT

@Dr Herbie

NO!
In Rainbow BAr 1ft you view rapid Menu , and you can ADD other icon to launch other application.
In Double Click you have a classic Menu in new style.

I absolutely do not want what I created myself, but a basic idea say it is more than just good

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Christian Liensberger — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:03:17 GMT

Dovella wrote:
I absolutely do not want what I created myself, but a basic idea say it is more than just good

That's never good. You should like what you create...

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:23:18 GMT

excuse me my OT.
Another fake??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFWS0G_srs&eurl=http://thedailytech.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/windows-7-videopics/">http://thedailytech.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/windows-7-videopics/">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFWS0G_srs&eurl=http://thedailytech.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/windows-7-videopics/

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stevo_ — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:40:11 GMT

You need to ask?

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smabres — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:54:48 GMT

I liked very much, I think it is great
Sergio

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:00:34 GMT

What you liked?
The video or the rainbow bar?

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mVPstar — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:11:59 GMT

Dovella wrote:
excuse me my OT.
Another fake??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFWS0G_srs&eurl=http://thedailytech.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/windows-7-videopics/">http://thedailytech.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/windows-7-videopics/">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFWS0G_srs&eurl=http://thedailytech.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/windows-7-videopics/

The author clearly said it's fake.

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:11:39 GMT

Dovella said:

Hi , im Italian excuse me my poor English
i Have one Idea
Games for Windows 2.0
The my idea is this
when you want to play select a game to Windows 7 and the system go in Hybernate, after start Only
MiniWin+DirectX+Internet and STOP
no other

maximum performance in console style

its good idea?? or bad???

i reply my OLD POST

see here

thing n 17-

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me — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:15:48 GMT

Dovella said:

Dovella said:
*snip*
i reply my OLD POST

see here

thing n 17-

sorry this was bumped.. (wasnt me) but it was fun to see these again. i still like most of it...

-theme like live... zoom in 3d ui "option" borderless pics - till mouseover, above the clouds imagery, Above, Beyond tag, simple shutdown/login, circular flip3d 2.0 , full width start "panell or pane" integrating Control panel, transparent statbar, thinner borders and less bars in explorer etc

edit: Windows 7: Vista done right.

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Go Microsoft !!!!!!! — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:54:44 GMT

jamie said:

Dovella said:
*snip*
sorry this was bumped.. (wasnt me) but it was fun to see these again. i still like most of it...

-theme like live... zoom in 3d ui "option" borderless pics - till mouseover, above the clouds imagery, Above, Beyond tag, simple shutdown/login, circular flip3d 2.0 , full width start "panell or pane" integrating Control panel, transparent statbar, thinner borders and less bars in explorer etc

edit: Windows 7: Vista done right.

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