Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - This site http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - This site http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:34:02 GMT Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:34:02 GMT Rev9 12 -12 -1 Coffeehouse - This site What I think of this site.

The following is from another thread.
"This site will be on /. very shortly. ... Too bad the place will likely suck [because of the flames] for a couple days, as I think this site might be a good idea."

Now I've come here from the slashdot link thinking "peh, just another m$ attempt at pretending it is a good company and trying to make people ignore all it's problems" though when I got here all of that was wiped. Why? Most things just don't work (I am using Mozilla 1.7b), the left side bar is not readable, the media applets do not run, the main menu has bad boundaries, the forums are hard to read and to add to it most things overlap which is just to name some things from a list. So I open it in IE6 and as I expected it worked. My thoughts on this? "Great way to show the world you really want them to think you are open by forcing them to use IE." Though to be fair and not sound like a "linux hippie" I opened it in Opera 7(.23) and did not have any more luck than I did using my default browser, this held true after opening it in two other browsers.

So, so far I still think my first thought but on top of that I also think the webmaster needs to visit http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//channel9.msdn.com/ .

I think this site could be good and I would probably like to visit it but first I'd rather it was usable, does any one know when these problems might be fixed? In the mean time I think the line “the place will likely suck” holds true not for the people in it but for the bad way it has been coded.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/273#273 Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:55:03 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/273#273 cloricus 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/cloricus/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site Ok first off I would like to say I agree with what has been said.  You can see this by my screenshot here,
http://windohs.net/linked_images/ch9.jpg

I believe the site could look better for Mozilla users.  I don't use Mozilla on a daily basis, I use Avant Browser which is just a shell over IE so everything looks good to me when I view the site normally.  It is just when I am in FireBird testing things which is where I notice the problems.

From this aspect though I do know how it can be difficult to code for multiple browsers because I have done it with many sites but I will say it is worth if you take the time because then "ALL" of your users will be happy. Wink 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/bf120960e8574b60b7989dea010fdc6f#bf120960e8574b60b7989dea010fdc6f Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:21:01 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/bf120960e8574b60b7989dea010fdc6f#bf120960e8574b60b7989dea010fdc6f gapman 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/gapman/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site I read this site though a RSS reader and it looks alright. 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/70ed2438cd114d0f9b609dea010fdd06#70ed2438cd114d0f9b609dea010fdd06 Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:58:16 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/70ed2438cd114d0f9b609dea010fdd06#70ed2438cd114d0f9b609dea010fdd06 vanlandw 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/vanlandw/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site Gents -

Thanks for the feedback.  We hear you loud and clear.  Like everything in software, prioritization drives shipping, and he who ships, gets to ship again.

We built the site for the Microsoft developer community, our pri 1 was IE.  We did limited testing on other browsers.  We spent more time on good RSS support instead. Now that we are live, we will continue to invest and improve.

This team really is 5 guys. We used shared source software to build the site, and we did it in record time.  An unfortunate side effect was that the HTML that ASP.NET Forums generates doesn't meet the validator.  

We understand you want choice, I do too.  Don't give up on me just yet, hang tight Wink 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/052ad4d81c1841d1a88d9dea010fdd35#052ad4d81c1841d1a88d9dea010fdd35 Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:40:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/052ad4d81c1841d1a88d9dea010fdd35#052ad4d81c1841d1a88d9dea010fdd35 lenn 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/lenn/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site works fine for me in Firefox, what are you guys going on about? Perplexed  

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/6ae7fb6de1f84bc9b9689dea010fdd62#6ae7fb6de1f84bc9b9689dea010fdd62 Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:45:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/6ae7fb6de1f84bc9b9689dea010fdd62#6ae7fb6de1f84bc9b9689dea010fdd62 Simon 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Simon/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site
lenn wrote:
An unfortunate side effect was that the HTML that ASP.NET Forums generates doesn't meet the validator.  
We understand you want choice, I do too.  Don't give up on me just yet, hang tight Wink


<>If you would like I can fix a lot of the visible errors as I have been looking over the code for a bit and they look easy, in fact I will email you the fix for the left side as it is really bugging me.

As for it being trouble to code for all the major platforms (gapman) it isn't hard once you get the hang of it, and learn how to code for all IE's down falls (boarders anyone?) it just takes practice and is easiest if you write the site while constantly referring to all three platforms to check. Smiley

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/d9ef4bd51b7d4beea7769dea010fdd90#d9ef4bd51b7d4beea7769dea010fdd90 Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:24:59 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/d9ef4bd51b7d4beea7769dea010fdd90#d9ef4bd51b7d4beea7769dea010fdd90 cloricus 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/cloricus/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site
cloricus wrote:
As for it being trouble to code for all the major platforms (gapman) it isn't hard once you get the hang of it, and learn how to code for all IE's down falls (boarders anyone?) it just takes practice and is easiest if you write the site while constantly referring to all three platforms to check. Smiley


I didn't say it was hard for me, I have been doing it long enought where it isn't a problem for me.  I was just saying it could be "difficult" in general to those that don't really understand.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/a40dba74c0b745c190749dea010fddbe#a40dba74c0b745c190749dea010fddbe Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:37:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/a40dba74c0b745c190749dea010fddbe#a40dba74c0b745c190749dea010fddbe gapman 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/gapman/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site People and nations will act rationally when all other options have been exhuausted.

Personally I don't write / publish html that isn't valid.

Y haven't heard that particular mantra:

"Like everything in software, prioritization drives shipping, and he who ships, gets to ship again."

So standards, reliability, security .... all take a back seat to shipping.

Don't get me wrong I understand it, I've only ever worked at R&D-and-market driven companies. If your best route to profitability is sustained rapid growth then the pressure to continue to do new stuff is incredible.

Difference of course is I work in the medical device industry.

But the economics are the same. Bugs cost exponentially more the later you catch them in development. Of course the stakes are higher in my arena.

And when MS ships a bug customers get to deal with it until the next release. That's a world of pain, yeah it doesn't seem to eat into your profitability in the short term.

I  read once that MS tracks customer support calls to developers code and fires the coders who rank high #s of support cost. Is there any truth to that?

Whether it's the case or no, I surely would prefer to see MS shipping things *right* than fast.

This 'blogsite' is a prime example of design run amok while ignoring the basics. Why the hell is the core content delivered in AV streams? supposedly we're engineers, how about putting the content out as *text* with html available for those who want to add formatting for readability?


]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/3bacedd7ab5f410db7989dea010fde09#3bacedd7ab5f410db7989dea010fde09 Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:03:28 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/3bacedd7ab5f410db7989dea010fde09#3bacedd7ab5f410db7989dea010fde09 elaine 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/elaine/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site
Simon wrote:
works fine for me in Firefox, what are you guys going on about? Perplexed  

Same for me.  In fact, I'd say it works better in FireFox than in IE (or the stripped down IE inside RSSBandit).

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/a83c1d3cace14422ab349dea010fde36#a83c1d3cace14422ab349dea010fde36 Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:05:47 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/a83c1d3cace14422ab349dea010fde36#a83c1d3cace14422ab349dea010fde36 travis 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/travis/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site
travis wrote:
Simon wrote: works fine for me in Firefox, what are you guys going on about? Perplexed  

Same for me.  In fact, I'd say it works better in FireFox than in IE (or the stripped down IE inside RSSBandit).


You know in RSS Bandit you can go to tools > options and one of the tabs will let you check checkboxes to enable all the IE features.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/13ff52eace2b42dcb5dd9dea010fde7d#13ff52eace2b42dcb5dd9dea010fde7d Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:15:18 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/13ff52eace2b42dcb5dd9dea010fde7d#13ff52eace2b42dcb5dd9dea010fde7d Ralph Whitbeck 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/RedWolves2/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site interesting

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/f3de01310e304a32a3a49e31013afa1b#f3de01310e304a32a3a49e31013afa1b Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:06:47 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/273-This-site/f3de01310e304a32a3a49e31013afa1b#f3de01310e304a32a3a49e31013afa1b vs4967 12 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/vs4967/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - This site

, vs4967 wrote

interesting

Thanks for that enlightening addition to a 6.5 year-old thread.

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