AMD Intel Mobile Challenge

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An HP Pavilion dv5z series notebook with a AMD Turion X2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor and ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics next to a HP Pavilion dv5t series notebook with a Intel Core 2 Duo Processor and Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 go head-to-head.

Good side by side vid, I would have prefered it if we could have seen system specs prior to the benchmarking.

The rep you were talking to didn't sound to sure of himself, was he AMD or HP? Either way, if you're going to try and sell a product, you should really be excited about it, just a thought.

Anyway, thanks for the vid.

blowdart said:

Oh look astroturfing again. How much is AMD paying you?

Interesting how you're using DVD decoding as a performance monitor when you don't match the graphics cards. of course the DVD decoding will be easier on the AMD, it has a graphics card which takes the HD DVD decoding and runs it on the card, unlike the intel card. Unless of course you have the specs wrong, and the Intel device has the X4500HD.

eagle said:

blowdart said:

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AMD pays me as much as Microsoft does to try to convince imbeciles like you about the best technology.

 

Both notebooks have integrated graphics, the AMD 780g chipset is superior, there are links to HP's site were you'll find a big difference in cost as well.

Any barebones going to have this chipset?

I am looking for a new one

Maddus Mattus said:

eagle said:

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Any barebones going to have this chipset?

I am looking for a new one

Yes, Asus and MSI will, but did you see the price of the HP notebook?  Here it's $579, do you see it in Euros when you click on the link?

eagle said:

blowdart said:

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AMD pays me as much as Microsoft does to try to convince imbeciles like you about the best technology.

 

Both notebooks have integrated graphics, the AMD 780g chipset is superior, there are links to HP's site were you'll find a big difference in cost as well.

Uhm... all laptops have "integrated" graphics (well... spare MXM GPUs). Intel's platform lets you swap out the default Intel GMA for something more beefy... say a GeForce Go chip, or even an ATI (shock horror).

The comparison is inherently unfair.

W3bbo said:

eagle said:

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Uhm... all laptops have "integrated" graphics (well... spare MXM GPUs). Intel's platform lets you swap out the default Intel GMA for something more beefy... say a GeForce Go chip, or even an ATI (shock horror).

The comparison is inherently unfair.

W3bbo said:

eagle said:

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Uhm... all laptops have "integrated" graphics (well... spare MXM GPUs). Intel's platform lets you swap out the default Intel GMA for something more beefy... say a GeForce Go chip, or even an ATI (shock horror).

The comparison is inherently unfair.

W3bbo said:

The comparison is inherently unfair.

It is fair, if you factor in the prices. Who gives you better $ / DVD playback ?

I would've like to see power consumption & temperature as well. Those are more important to me than the ability to launch a virus scanner during DVD playback.

But AMD/ATI has been in the dump lately, so give them some love! Competition is good.

eagle said:

Maddus Mattus said:

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Yes, Asus and MSI will, but did you see the price of the HP notebook?  Here it's $579, do you see it in Euros when you click on the link?

No, US dollars,.. but if I divide by 10 I should get the amount in euro's.

Seriously.

I am looking for a new barebone to run Vista MediaCenter on. And video decoding/encoding performance is real key. I would also like to have 2 PCI slots free for my TV-cards and onboard sound, ethernet, dvi-output, card reader and this chipset.

When will ASUS come with the barebone?

Minh said:

W3bbo said:

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It is fair, if you factor in the prices. Who gives you better $ / DVD playback ?

I would've like to see power consumption & temperature as well. Those are more important to me than the ability to launch a virus scanner during DVD playback.

But AMD/ATI has been in the dump lately, so give them some love! Competition is good.

That's up to the OEM; you'd have to compare the averages of every similar laptop from Dell, HP, Apple, Alienware... and the rest.

Maddus Mattus said:

eagle said:

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No, US dollars,.. but if I divide by 10 I should get the amount in euro's.

Seriously.

I am looking for a new barebone to run Vista MediaCenter on. And video decoding/encoding performance is real key. I would also like to have 2 PCI slots free for my TV-cards and onboard sound, ethernet, dvi-output, card reader and this chipset.

When will ASUS come with the barebone?

ASUS just has the older Intel Centrino barebones, they always lag behind from the retail notebooks.
 
I got an email from MSI reseller just last week and they don't have the 780g chipset yet 

You should wait for the discrete  ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 3800 Series with the 780g chipset's 3200 series graphics so you can have the two running in crossfirex as my desktop does today.

W3bbo said:

eagle said:

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Uhm... all laptops have "integrated" graphics (well... spare MXM GPUs). Intel's platform lets you swap out the default Intel GMA for something more beefy... say a GeForce Go chip, or even an ATI (shock horror).

The comparison is inherently unfair.

Uh...wth?  No, not "all" laptops have integrated video - laptops with discrete solutions are plentiful, they're just usually priced higher than $800.  Most laptops in this range have Intel Integrated, that runs Aero "decently" but forget about anything else.  This is not the case with the ATI 3200.

This is a perfectly legitimate comparison, Intel's IGP needs a kick in the * and the 780G (soon even faster 790G) chipset is doing it.  Intel's 3100/4500 doesn't compare.  Intel's Core2 CPU's are definitely faster, but the video demonstrates that all goes for naught when involving multimedia, the ATI platform even with its slower TurionX2 CPU will blow it away.

You can add a discrete ATI GPU to the Puma platform, but the best part is that it works alongside your current integrated CPU and gives you a speed advantage (or battery life if you don't need to activate the discrete GPU at that time) by using both at the same time.

While not as fast as ATI's solution, Nvidia is also stepping it up in the value category - there were nice HP notebooks before in the $700 segment but the Nvidia 7150/6100 integrated solutions were just god-awful even using just Aero.  I played with a notebok with an integrated Nvidia 8200 in a store recently, MUCH better.  Aero was super-smooth, as good as a discrete solution.  Intel's latest integrated (x4500) was far choppier running Flip3D by comparison.

NitzWalsh said:

W3bbo said:

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Uh...wth?  No, not "all" laptops have integrated video - laptops with discrete solutions are plentiful, they're just usually priced higher than $800.  Most laptops in this range have Intel Integrated, that runs Aero "decently" but forget about anything else.  This is not the case with the ATI 3200.

This is a perfectly legitimate comparison, Intel's IGP needs a kick in the * and the 780G (soon even faster 790G) chipset is doing it.  Intel's 3100/4500 doesn't compare.  Intel's Core2 CPU's are definitely faster, but the video demonstrates that all goes for naught when involving multimedia, the ATI platform even with its slower TurionX2 CPU will blow it away.

You can add a discrete ATI GPU to the Puma platform, but the best part is that it works alongside your current integrated CPU and gives you a speed advantage (or battery life if you don't need to activate the discrete GPU at that time) by using both at the same time.

While not as fast as ATI's solution, Nvidia is also stepping it up in the value category - there were nice HP notebooks before in the $700 segment but the Nvidia 7150/6100 integrated solutions were just god-awful even using just Aero.  I played with a notebok with an integrated Nvidia 8200 in a store recently, MUCH better.  Aero was super-smooth, as good as a discrete solution.  Intel's latest integrated (x4500) was far choppier running Flip3D by comparison.

A misunderstanding and some bad terminology on my part.

I was calling Eagle's strawman with his generalisation of laptop GPUs. I incorrectly used "integrated" to mean "built-in to the motherboard", irrespective of whether they have their own memory or not.

W3bbo said:

NitzWalsh said:

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A misunderstanding and some bad terminology on my part.

I was calling Eagle's strawman with his generalisation of laptop GPUs. I incorrectly used "integrated" to mean "built-in to the motherboard", irrespective of whether they have their own memory or not.

ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics and a Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500, that's as specific as one can be.